Obama Rejected

Obama again put his political capital on the line and was rejected. Firts it happened with the olympic bid, now with n.j. and va. He does not have much political capital left.

He has spent much on health care reform. Stated with we need to pass this before the August recess. Then a date in Oct. Then the end of the year. Now it is said that it will not be voted on until after the first of the year.

This president is becoming the biggest joke in our nations history. The problem is it is not funny.

I wonder if our nation will survive until we can get him out of office?

i think it was more of a rejection of the incumbents. i do think it will wake up those on the fence in wash. if they want to keep there jobs. because they dont seem to get it. its about jobs and the econ.

there was no imcumbent in va. it also was not close. the repub won by 19% in a state that obammy just carried last nov. this was a huge turnaround.

it was just one year ago when all the republican party is dead stuff was being said by liberals. (source, my memory). if they are dead then they are showing it in a funny way.

Political Science 101: As much as McGruff would like to blame the governors races in Va and NJ on Obama it's just not that simple. The governors race in NJ was pretty well decided when they increased property taxes through the roof and had very little to do with Obama plus the fact that historically whichever party held the white house for the last 24 years lost the governors race in NJ. VA is even worse as whichever party was in the white house has lost the governor's race since 1977. You need to quit making inferences from data that do not say what you want it to.

Try looking at NY-23 house race. The democrat beat the right wing conservative with the help of the (party hand picked) moderate republican that dropped out of the race and campaigned for the democrat. What knid of inferences do you make about Obama from that little political exercise? Biden went there and campaigned for the democrat. Does that mean Obama's administration has the power to destroy the republican party and join forces with them to defeat the right wing radicals? No, but it makes as much sense as the other inferences.

Maybe they lost in NJ because of ACORN's legal problems. The democrats couldn't get enough dead people, dogs, and cats registered to vote.

so why did obama campaign in va and nj? if he didnt think he could influence the races then he would not have wasted his time. his clout is gone. we will see in 2010 when demos lose many house seats, and maybe enough to change the power. you will also see that moderate dems will now think twice about supporting the health care bill before congress.

McGruff wrote:

so why did obama campaign in va and nj? if he didnt think he could influence the races then he would not have wasted his time. his clout is gone. we will see in 2010 when demos lose many house seats, and maybe enough to change the power. you will also see that moderate dems will now think twice about supporting the health care bill before congress.

I told you probably 2 months ago that I would expect to see significant gains by the republican party in the midterm elections (2010). That's just how the pendulum swings. It has happened for years after the presidential elections. I know you're on Social Security so you've been around long enough to see this firsthand.

Why do you pawn it off now as some cataclismic event for the republican party? IT IS NOT. It is only the same thing that's happened for years.

McGruff wrote:

so why did obama campaign in va and nj? if he didnt think he could influence the races then he would not have wasted his time. his clout is gone. we will see in 2010 when demos lose many house seats, and maybe enough to change the power. you will also see that moderate dems will now think twice about supporting the health care bill before congress.

There is damn sure one thing you did not see in the governor's race in New Jersey or Virginia. Nobody wanted to parade George Dubya Bush around to campaign for the republicans. Wonder why?

Truth wrote:

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I told you probably 2 months ago that I would expect to see significant gains by the republican party in the midterm elections (2010). That's just how the pendulum swings. It has happened for years after the presidential elections. I know you're on Social Security so you've been around long enough to see this firsthand.
Why do you pawn it off now as some cataclismic event for the republican party? IT IS NOT. It is only the same thing that's happened for years.

you know i am on soc sec??

but if the party is dead then it should be different than the past.

i didnt know bush had anything to do with it. just admit that obama tried and failed. many other political pundits see it the same way. oh, but the truth doesnt.

McGruff wrote:

<quoted text>you know i am on soc sec??
but if the party is dead then it should be different than the past.
i didnt know bush had anything to do with it. just admit that obama tried and failed. many other political pundits see it the same way. oh, but the truth doesnt.

You're watching way too much FIX-TV.

What in the world are you talking about the party being dead and now should be new. You are the one that plugged that scenario into this debate. Quit making shit up.

shhhhh........you're nuts.

Truth wrote:

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You're watching way too much FIX-TV.
What in the world are you talking about the party being dead and now should be new. You are the one that plugged that scenario into this debate. Quit making shit up.
shhhhh........you're nuts.

many, many, many demos have said on tv, in op ed pieces, and on blogs that the republican party is dead. how can a dead party beat the obama machine for gov in a heavily blue state??? oooouuucchhhh! obama is licking wounds today.

Truth, you have really done your homework.
Great post.

McGruff wrote:

<quoted text>many, many, many demos have said on tv, in op ed pieces, and on blogs that the republican party is dead. how can a dead party beat the obama machine for gov in a heavily blue state??? oooouuucchhhh! obama is licking wounds today.

I really doubt that you have ever stood still for a second to listen to anything a liberal democrat had to say. You would rather flip over to your channel and listen to another reactionary tell you what the democrat said.
That is kind of like not watching the game, just watching the post-game show and listening to how those guys viewed the game.

the know it all wrote:

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I really doubt that you have ever stood still for a second to listen to anything a liberal democrat had to say. You would rather flip over to your channel and listen to another reactionary tell you what the democrat said.
That is kind of like not watching the game, just watching the post-game show and listening to how those guys viewed the game.

I've heard what you have to say and it sucks.

I came, I saw, I flapped my gums. I blithered.

You are a known blitherer.

Truth wrote:

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I told you probably 2 months ago that I would expect to see significant gains by the republican party in the midterm elections (2010). That's just how the pendulum swings. It has happened for years after the presidential elections. I know you're on Social Security so you've been around long enough to see this firsthand.
Why do you pawn it off now as some cataclismic event for the republican party? IT IS NOT. It is only the same thing that's happened for years.

thats how the HEAD CHIMP IN CHARGE swings votes.i think he missed his grapevine and fell out of the BANANA TREE

knowalot wrote:

<quoted text>thats how the HEAD CHIMP IN CHARGE swings votes.i think he missed his grapevine and fell out of the BANANA TREE

Looks like we'll have to get someone to translate racist for us.

the know it all wrote:

Truth, you have really done your homework.
Great post.

Thanks KIA. The exit polls were very significant and I don't remember the numbers exactly but these are close. In VA and NJ they asked about how people were affected by Obama. Something like 18% said they voted for the candidate because of Obama, 22% voted against the candidate because of Obama and 54% said Obama had no effect on their vote.

Quite honestly I would think local issues would prevail as determining voting patterns. I'm sure there will be more polls tonight.

Truth wrote:

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I told you probably 2 months ago that I would expect to see significant gains by the republican party in the midterm elections (2010). That's just how the pendulum swings. It has happened for years after the presidential elections. I know you're on Social Security so you've been around long enough to see this firsthand.
Why do you pawn it off now as some cataclismic event for the republican party? IT IS NOT. It is only the same thing that's happened for years.

You are incorrect. The pendulum did not swing in '02 midterm elections after George Bush's first election victory in 2000.

So much for being so "well informed".