A model for care

i hope people are into solutions...

seems like they would rather toss them aside to keep arguing...

then who would we call ignorant and drinking the "kool aid"?

Catamount was done under a republican so Dean types hate it. It isn't 100% FREE

hey joe (where you going with that gun in you hand)

thanks for proving the point...

We will never run out of those.

this may be true. but VT has some of the highest property tax and lowest income in the nathion as well. so this insured people are getting it from the state and it is being paid for by those who pay property tax. so how much more tax can you afford?

Deregulate the Health Insurance control in VT and we will have 50 new health insurers here the next day, willing to price the slothful, gov supported BCBS right out of here, and with better coverage, and options, not dictated coverage from Dr Dean.

Right Wing Extremist wrote:

Deregulate the Health Insurance control in VT and we will have 50 new health insurers here the next day, willing to price the slothful, gov supported BCBS right out of here, and with better coverage, and options, not dictated coverage from Dr Dean.

true, but will they also have retroactive denials and no coverage for pre-exisiting conditions? better believe it!

Under a universal health care system, we might pay higher taxes and we would pay less for health insurance. There would be pay co-pays for services that act as incentives to use the care rationally, rather than wanting everything the way we do when insurance delays the cost.

The net total would be less than what we're paying for both now, because preventive care is cheaper than emergency room care, rational use of services would lower over-use, the high administrative costs of insurance companies would have to come down, and there would be much better economies of scale.

Without a public insurance option, the grip of Big Insurance will not be broken, and without that no real changes to the current system are possible. And nobody can afford the current system anymore.

For decades Big Tobacco controlled the market, the information, Congress, and the laws, until their grip was broken. We need to do the same for Big Insurance and any other mega-lobby practicing legal corruption to line its pockets and the public expense.

People are starting to call out the liars throwing around terms like death panels and nazi. Americans can be pretty darn thick, but they're not quite that stupid.

New Clear Waste wrote:

we might pay higher taxes and we would pay less for health insurance. There would be pay co-pays for services... The net total would be less than what we're paying for both now, Americans can be pretty darn thick, but they're not quite that stupid.

seriously... the correlations you make are about as real as nazi death panels...they are lies...

its these types of linguistics (we will pay more, but it will be less than we pay now) that make me worrried about the whole thing!

how about this...everyone plan their own healthcare?

estanson wrote:

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true, but will they also have retroactive denials and no coverage for pre-exisiting conditions? better believe it!

Sorry, by deregulate I did not mean allowing lousy insurance contracts with "judgement" clauses. We need SOME regulation.

There are legitimate contracts in the market, but they do not come to VT because of the dictated, all coverage for all, even if they do not need it or want it routine. Community rating is another losing proposition.(many states are in the same boat) Whether it comes from an insurance company (the new demon of the health-care debate) or from a government "public option", "co-op" or what ever name they slide into the view of the public to initiate the march to a lose-lose, that is "single payer". The bane of the liberal's existence.

But I digress. What we currently have in VT (imo) is a monopoly by the "group insurers", mainly BCBS and a couple of others.(you know, the ones everyone hates because of their "judgement" on claims as they happen, rather than a clear, concise contract up front. Their profit motive is not the patient, it is feeding the Montpelier single payer crowd their convoluted plans that basically suck.(hoping THEY will become the carrier of choice by big brother)

Competition, product choices,personal ownership and independent pricing are what we need. How do you think the other insurance markets in our country continue to be able to offer lower and lower rates? Competition is the key, along with individual responsibility in having to buy your own health care protection. Also, tax credits to those who maintain their own protection seems a reasonable way to go.(this last one is as much involvment I believe the DC crowd should have in the health-care industry)

Medicare and Medicaid need ot be revamped, there is something along the lines of 40% fraud expense in these arcane, poorly managed outfits. Similar to what Clinton and the Rep Congress did with Welfare reform, years ago.

So yeah, there is plenty of cost cutting out there, I just don't see that happening in a new, gigantic DC beaurocracy, "co-oping" or what ever they end up calling it, generating ANY savings, quite the opposite.