Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Religion should only be taught as culture, not as fact, not by any means.
I agree. and most folks would not want it taught about as history, in an honest and comprehensive fashion. I think many things should be taught as intellectual history, a history of what various people thought in different places and different times, including our own in the Western world (socalled), rather than as facts that we know for sure. Even history is a sort of intellectual history of what folks who were known as historians or first rate journalists wrote and said, plus copies of some very helpful documents and some artifacts. Being too sure can lead to omissions of interesting stuff. and interesting stuff to the contrary is what keeps science "on its toes" so to speak.
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<quoted text>•For those who believe in God no explanation is necessary. For those who do not believe in God no explanation is possible.
whose quote, please? and for what purpose?
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<quoted text> are you claiming that how yahoo or bing or google lists something in some category is a definative statement of fact? if so, we are at the end of the world already! chaos!
Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death

Mark 16:15-16

And he said to them,“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Romans 10:14

How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
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havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> are you claiming that how yahoo or bing or google lists something in some category is a definative statement of fact? if so, we are at the end of the world already! chaos!
No, I was referencing the real world. Not virtual sales order pitches, delusional, or make believe.
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I wouldn't have a problem with schools telling students about homosexuals and how they should be more accepting of them. Maybe then they won't be bullied and harassed over their sexual orientation. It's not like they're going to teach the students to be homosexual (which isn't possible in the first place).
As for schools going downhill, part of that is theists trying to remove fact-based science like evolution and force creationism into the classroom. Education has it's funding cut quite often; teachers get fired, classrooms get crowded, various programs are cut.
Your way of thinking is backwards. I guess your idea of freedom of religion is the freedom of forcing your religion onto other people. Your views of homosexuality lead me to believe you're a bigot. Your way of thinking is damaging this country; it's part of the reason we're regressing.
I do agree with you that schools should speak out aginst bullying. That everyone should be treated equally no matter what. They should be taught that harrasing people no matter thier diffrence may be is completley wrong.

It is not right that you compare all religious people to a few religious people that use their religion to push hate. I am religious and I do belive and worship God. My Veiw and belifes are that God wants us to judge no one and love all. God told us not to judge anyone for he would do the judging.. Some pople forget that judging someone else for the way they belive or live their lives is just as big as sin.. I have my about God and how I should live my life.. and think that God wants up to treat, help, and love everyone the same, even if they don't live or belive the way I do. God said Love thy neigbor.. not love they neighbor if belives the same you and live the same as you. So please do not refer to all of us like we are bigots.

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<quoted text> OK, then do you mind indicating what people in politics you are with on most issues? and what do you think about their records regarding integrity, in various ways - or lack of hypocrisy, in various ways? would those personal character issues have any importance?
It Varies... I would say I am a Economic Conservative socially liberal individualist atheistic independent Constitutional originalist. I tend to vote more for Republicans because of the Import I place on Original Intent of the Constitution and Capitalistic construct of my country of birth.

So if I have a Choice between two people I vote dependent of a descending list of importance... If between the choices given those positions taken by all in the running I pick the One that fits my Personal views of import...

Let's take Romney and Obama.. I would vote Romney .. I could care less about either Social positions as the thing I consider Important in this case is which is a Capitalist and which is Socialist.. Socialism Always leads to Totalitarian Rule so if given a choice between a Capitalist that has Horrible views on all social issues and a Socialist that has Great social views I would pick the Capitalist.... Could care less about much else either say or do given those choices...

If the Choices are between two Capitalist then I would look at the Next issue I find of import and compare positions..

I have voted Democratic in some elections, Republican in some, Independent in some... In the last 15 years I have tended to vote republican because the Democratic Party has been taken over by a large number of socialist that have usurped the concept of Liberal because they know that calling ones self Socialist is a losing proposition just as they changed from Communist to Progressive in the past when they were shown the door in the 50's...

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I do agree with you that schools should speak out aginst bullying. That everyone should be treated equally no matter what. They should be taught that harrasing people no matter thier diffrence may be is completley wrong.
It is not right that you compare all religious people to a few religious people that use their religion to push hate. I am religious and I do belive and worship God. My Veiw and belifes are that God wants us to judge no one and love all. God told us not to judge anyone for he would do the judging.. Some pople forget that judging someone else for the way they belive or live their lives is just as big as sin.. I have my about God and how I should live my life.. and think that God wants up to treat, help, and love everyone the same, even if they don't live or belive the way I do. God said Love thy neigbor.. not love they neighbor if belives the same you and live the same as you. So please do not refer to all of us like we are bigots.
I wasn't referring to all Christians as being bigoted or oppressive. When I was talking about bigotry, I was talking about that poster specifically and people who think like him. He seems to hate a specific group and uses religion to justify it (same with YAA and a few other posters who have shown here).
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I wasn't referring to all Christians as being bigoted or oppressive. When I was talking about bigotry, I was talking about that poster specifically and people who think like him. He seems to hate a specific group and uses religion to justify it (same with YAA and a few other posters who have shown here).
Well I don't belive that anyone should use religion justifie hating anyone.. God is about love and forgiveness not hate. I also don't belive state laws should be based on religious belifes. I think everyone should have equal rights comepletley. I don't belive it is right to force someone to live their lives according to someone elses belifes. Just my opion.. I don't belive going around hating others is very christine. They say these people that they are doing this to is going aginst religion, and I feel like they are doing more aginst religion than anyone cause they are pushing people away from God with the hatred.. That is just how I feel about it.

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<quoted text> OK, then do you mind indicating what people in politics you are with on most issues? and what do you think about their records regarding integrity, in various ways - or lack of hypocrisy, in various ways? would those personal character issues have any importance?
I would say my over views fit Penn Jillette's general views on many issues, not all, but most... If I were given a choice between pretty much ANY politician and Jillette , Jillette Wins Hands Down for Any public office including the Presidency

On Obama
http://youtu.be/wWWOJGYZYpk

On The Bible
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

On Drugs
http://youtu.be/mkYTK0s7ZUw

On Feng Shui / Bottled Water
http://youtu.be/mkYTK0s7ZUw

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<quoted text>No!
Being Born is NOT their problem....
It's how they ended up, not having Christ in their hearts!
Just as there is hope for you... as long as you live!
Yes and Amen posted this in response to 'bad men' Hitler, etc.

Please for YOUR God's sake, do some reading!! Hitler was raised Roman Catholic!! AKA Christian! The SS Nazi's had German words on their belt buckles that translated into "God is with us"!! Hitler and his 'followers' were doing God's work. I've been to Germany, and I have seen the belt buckles in person.

And just one more thing on abortion, becuase it seems that YOU and many Christians are fixated on it. Why didn't you get on President Bush about abortion? He had 8 years to do something about it. Oh yeah, he and Cheney were too busy making money for themselves in oil and no bid contracts for Cheney's company. Do you think that NO abortions took place when he was President?

The FACT is that no Republican will EVER stop abortion, because that is the ONE wedge issue that keep their uneducated base coming back for more!!
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<quoted text>You can say "No thanks!", and go on your way... reading nothing more...
But No!
So who is really shoving it in your face?
YOU!
You have a choice!
Think of what a wonderful world it would be if Christians practiced that

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It figures you'd support queers.
You are so fearful your bratty, snot-nosed kids will become a "religious nut,"
You're right, but I'd take it one step further. I don't want my children to become like YOU-a close-minded,unloving, judgemental religious nut!! Kind of like the GOD you worship...

OH, the bratty kids, well they're all at LCA and Lexington Catholic...

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First off, I can see "QUEER" hurt your widdle feewings. Boo Hoo.
I hope my kids don't turn out to be crybaby pansies like you.
Second, when and where did I say I worshiped any god?
It figures you'd ASSume that because I think kids shouldn't be fags and should be educated, I must be a religious nut.
LOL Talk about paranoia and drama. I bet you're the queen mother on Facebook.
Nice to see you can manipulate TOPIX. BIG MAN. Call me names all you want. But by all means, please do not post anything that would be an 'educated' response. Sure looks like your religious indoctrination..I mean 'education' took...

Historically, it has been the MOST outspoken against homosexuality that were actually homosexual themselves...are you trying to hide something?

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Quantummist wrote:
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It figures you'd support queers.
However, your "logic" is flawed.
If what you say is true, based on this reasoning, then the teachers couldn't teach the kids to be Christians either by simply presenting the subject of Christianity or any other religion as long as it is presented professionally from a historical standpoint... unless; of course, that teacher were Christian and had a secret agenda, right?
However, in that case... a homosexual teacher might "influence" an impressionable student with his homosexual teachings, correct?
But, you also made the point that you can't teach a kid to be a homosexual. I suppose that means you feel it's a decision of the heart and mind or perhaps inborn?
It proves difficult to take your post seriously when you say something such as: "It figures you'd support queers." And sexual orientation is in no way the same thing. You cannot indoctrinate people to have a particular sexual orientation. To inject a single religion into school and have a class based around it or the text that is most likely an attempt to indoctrinate.

There is evidence to suggest that a person's sexual orientation is determined early on. It is something that is still being studied, but there is no evidence to suggest that it is a choice or that people can be influenced to have a certain orientation.
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<quoted text>Christians could also use that debate and say kids can't be forced to become a Christian. It must be a decision from the heart based on sincerity and belief, not induced by fear or threats.
Bible School and Church are for teaching them HOW to become Christians. Schools are for presenting relevant historical data. Christianity and other religions that have played a part in molding the country should be "presented" in class.
Of course presenting does NOT mean drafting into the Christina army or forcing a kid to accept your own beliefs. A teacher's beliefs should be irrelevant.
The problem with this is permitting only one religion to have its history taught. Why would it just be one single religion and not all of them? Why not show how much of an impact they all had throughout history and how they made their ways to different regions?

Even if the students weren't susceptible to attempts to indoctrinate, it doesn't mean that it's not an attempt to indoctrinate or that they are not wrongful for doing so.

Allowing the course would also send the message that one religion is more important than the others.
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<quoted text>A person can teach the principle of aeronautics without forcing a kid to become an aeronaut.
Why are you people so afraid of education? You are so fearful your bratty, snot-nosed kids will become a "religious nut," that you'd prefer he/she never hear the word Christianity or religion.
Paranoia must be a miserable state.
I have a better question: are you so full of yourself that you must follow me into every thread to try and show me how right you think you are? You have one thread on topix about me specifically, you've referenced me in several others. Either you're a troll or you're just in love with me.

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Couldn't afford a private school for your little hellions?
I choose not to send my children to an Indoctrination Facility where they teach Fairy Tales...

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You're right, but I'd take it one step further. I don't want my children to become like YOU-a close-minded,unloving, judgemental religious nut!! Kind of like the GOD you worship...
OH, the bratty kids, well they're all at LCA and Lexington Catholic...
Why oh Why do you feed the trolls.... You and several others on this thread make their arguments intelligently and rationally, even when I don't agree with them... You are best served, and the thread is best served, to just ignore them and address your comment to those that at a minimum are civil... They do this just to get such reply and in general haven't the mental capacity to actually state rational positions...

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First off, I can see "QUEER" hurt your widdle feewings. Boo Hoo.
I hope my kids don't turn out to be crybaby pansies like you.
Second, when and where did I say I worshiped any god?
It figures you'd ASSume that because I think kids shouldn't be fags and should be educated, I must be a religious nut.
LOL Talk about paranoia and drama. I bet you're the queen mother on Facebook.
What was it you said about name-calling showing a lack of intelligence? And here you clearly try to call the other poster an "ass" with the way you typed assume.

All you do is make inflammatory comments that add nothing to the discussion. You criticize others' abilities to debate when you have none of your own.
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Yes, I am. It's well documented.
So are you. It's spelled "you're," dumber A$$.
The last part was Spot on, and funny!

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EssentialSalts wrote:
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It proves difficult to take your post seriously when you say something such as: "It figures you'd support queers." And sexual orientation is in no way the same thing. You cannot indoctrinate people to have a particular sexual orientation. To inject a single religion into school and have a class based around it or the text that is most likely an attempt to indoctrinate.
There is evidence to suggest that a person's sexual orientation is determined early on. It is something that is still being studied, but there is no evidence to suggest that it is a choice or that people can be influenced to have a certain orientation.
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The problem with this is permitting only one religion to have its history taught. Why would it just be one single religion and not all of them? Why not show how much of an impact they all had throughout history and how they made their ways to different regions?
Even if the students weren't susceptible to attempts to indoctrinate, it doesn't mean that it's not an attempt to indoctrinate or that they are not wrongful for doing so.
Allowing the course would also send the message that one religion is more important than the others.
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I have a better question: are you so full of yourself that you must follow me into every thread to try and show me how right you think you are? You have one thread on topix about me specifically, you've referenced me in several others. Either you're a troll or you're just in love with me.
I generally ignore any Un-Reg'ed poster that uses the names of Reg'ed posters without even reading their effort at trolldom... Might be something to consider...

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