Since: Sep 09
Everett, MA
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Thank you "out of State Reader" I suppose there a lot of blogs about this crime. That one was particularly helpful and nice that it stayed on the topic. The best thing I about that press release (which had some pretty grisly things in it) was this: The only survivor, Chrissy Toler's son, Byron Jimerson Jr., 3, has been discharged from a Savannah hospital and is said to be undergoing rehabilitation. I really appreciate your staying on the topic of the horrible Toler/Heinze murders of August 29. I noticed that "Court TV" is off the air here and it has been replaced by "Tru TV" which has some trial coverage. If the news outlets win their petition to keep the trial open ( as far as I have read there has been no ruling from the Judge) I wonder if the trial will be televised or parts of it and who will do it? Thanks again for the link Sunshine wrote: <quoted text>The officer was not "forced" to take that mans life, like I stated before the offender should have received a citation, but instead the law enforcement CHOOSE to ESCALATE the situation.
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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GHoward wrote: Sorry to read any of the posts using the term "poor white trash" It is an expression never used up here. Not that we are any better or more caring I guess. It's just a Southern expression. A dumb one and a hateful one.
Poverty in itself tells you very very little about a person and certainly nothing about their character.
Now back to interesting and intelligent cyber-sleuthing! Thanks for you quote Out Of State. I had just read part of that. As to the poor dead girl found with fistfuls of hair. The photos I have seen of Guy Heinze (and can be easily found on the Internet) show him with a buzz cut - both immediately after he called 911 and later as he was arrested for the murders. There are two other undated photos on line 1) Of the Toler and Heinze family smiling and sitting at a table at in a restaurant where Guy's hair is the same buzz cut. There is also what looks like just a family snapshot of Guy and two of the Toler boys in the back seat of car. Once again Guy Heinze has the same haircut. The article that talked about the evidence gathered mentioned that a pubic hair sample had to be taken from Guy Heinze in jail. I assume because he wears his hair so short that they were unable to get a sample.
I believe strongly that the real murderer(s) of this Heinous crime are still out there.
Thank God there was some light and good news in that the 3 year old boy is alive and doing better. There was nothing more specific in the press release than that. I pray he will recover fully. Has anyone heard any more on his condition?
Thanks to all of you for continuing to contribute here. It's very helpful and interesting.
Poverty is not a crime
Greg Where did you find the info that the victim clutching fistfuls of hair was a female? In this link it doesn't state which victim is clutching the hair nor is it stated that the hair is that of Heinze...the article just states that they are "mysteries".
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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Since: Sep 09
Everett, MA
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My bad - I was totally wrong. I don't know why I wrote that. It's not what I read. I'll be more careful to proof read. The information from Jacksonville.com I read was: http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-11-... "BRUNSWICK - Officers investigating the beating deaths of eight people at a mobile home Aug. 29 found hair in both hands of one of the victims and later took hair samples from suspect Guy Heinze Jr., search warrant records show. That information is contained in the records of two of six search warrants Glynn County Magistrate Tim Barton issued for Glynn County police investigating the eight slayings and severe beating of a ninth victim. Officers found the victims the morning of Aug. 29 when Heinze made a frantic 911 call saying he had come home and found his whole family dead. The hair was found in the hands of someone identified only as victim No. 4. On Sept. 2, Barton issued a search warrant for Sgt. Brian Scott to obtain samples of Heinze' hair for DNA testing and for analysis and comparison against blood and other trace evidence found at the scene. Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering declined Monday to identify that victim."
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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Has anyone else noticed in this news article that both victims that survived the inital attack were beaten & gunshot in the head? Why & how could/would ONE PERSON BEAT & SHOOT the victims? Doesn't make any sense, this sugguests more than one killer to me. Seems like the victims & neighbors would have to be aware that something was happening. http://jacksonville.com/news/georgia/2009-11-...
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Crusader
Alexandria, VA
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"Doering also said that Daras was simply drawing a conclusion from what he had seen and that it always falls to medical examiners to determine the real cause of death."
In all due respect Ma'am, those two victims were not shot, their faces had been bashed in. The investigator attributed the damage to gunshots, because the damage was so bad. Read the article, it clears that up. The man that beat these people possibly while they were sleeping, only had to strike each one once to incapacitate them. One person, acting alone, could have most certainly committed this horrific crime, as has happened before in numerous cases.
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Out of State Reader
O Fallon, MO
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GHoward & Sunshine The other day I was thinking and wonder if you two remember the article that stated the police had been called a couple days earlier to the Mobil that all was killed?
I know I read this, if either of you don't remember I can start searching to see where I read it.
Thanks Autum
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Since: Sep 09
Everett, MA
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I don't remember having read that OOS. I always thought the shot/beat was a device of the police to smoke out the real killer amid false confessions etc. Only the real killer knew for sure there was no gun involved.
Maybe I watch too much TV ((Smile))
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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According to this article the skull is very strong & can withstand incredible force however a severe blow to the head may FRACTURE the skull...news articles & 911 calls state that the Down syndrome boy's face was "smashed". Was all the victims skulls this way? I do not believe one person committed this crime, no way. http://www.allabouttbi.com/open-head-injury/
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Since: Sep 09
Southbridge, MA
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Looking at this today:
I have 3 photos saved on my computer (I wish I could post them here. All three show photos of Guy (with his "cousins" the decedents) and Guy has the same haircut he has in every post murder photo. Buzz cut short- to the scalp.
Yet one of the victims (#4) was found with hair clutched in both hands. They couldn't get a hair sample from Guy without resorting to a pubic hair sample
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Look at how small that trailer is again (all photos can be easily found in Google images) Nine people attacked - 8 dead. No close neighbor even complains of noise. The trailer window has an undisturbed fan in it. Tyler Heinze states his family are all fighters.
Yet Guy Heinze is accused of being the sole killer having bludgeoned 8 to death and Brian Jimmerson (age 3) nearly to death. All his own family, returning at at 8AM trying to help his cousin and making that heart breaking 911 call.
I DON'T BUY IT
DO YOU ?
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Since: Sep 09
Southbridge, MA
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Sunshine wrote: According to this article the skull is very strong & can withstand incredible force however a severe blow to the head may FRACTURE the skull...news articles & 911 calls state that the Down syndrome boy's face was "smashed". Was all the victims skulls this way? I do not believe one person committed this crime, no way. http://www.allabouttbi.com/open-head-injury/ I totally agree Sunshine. This link to Jacksonville.com confuses me. Are they saying there were 2 shot ?
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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GHoward wrote: <quoted text> I totally agree Sunshine. This link to Jacksonville.com confuses me. Are they saying there were 2 shot ? I can't tell anything with the current page...Could you please copy & paste the link?
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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Does anyone remember reading a article, not to long after the crime, about one of the victims being found in the kitchen? In my opinion, that victim would be the person that let the murder in the trailer...is that the same victim that was found clutching the hair? Shouldn't there have been DNA under that victim's nails? It sure sounds like that victim fought the murder & there seemed to be no defensive wounds visible on Heinze.
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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GHoward wrote: Looking at this today:
I have 3 photos saved on my computer (I wish I could post them here. All three show photos of Guy (with his "cousins" the decedents) and Guy has the same haircut he has in every post murder photo. Buzz cut short- to the scalp.
Yet one of the victims (#4) was found with hair clutched in both hands. They couldn't get a hair sample from Guy without resorting to a pubic hair sample
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Look at how small that trailer is again (all photos can be easily found in Google images) Nine people attacked - 8 dead. No close neighbor even complains of noise. The trailer window has an undisturbed fan in it. Tyler Heinze states his family are all fighters.
Yet Guy Heinze is accused of being the sole killer having bludgeoned 8 to death and Brian Jimmerson (age 3) nearly to death. All his own family, returning at at 8AM trying to help his cousin and making that heart breaking 911 call.
I DON'T BUY IT
DO YOU ? I've been thinking about the hair issue...could that hair have come from an African American? I do NOT mean to offend anyone with that statement. I'm just wondering since the hair sample from Heinze was taken from the pubic area...makes sense to me.
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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Sunshine wrote: Does anyone remember reading a article, not to long after the crime, about one of the victims being found in the kitchen? In my opinion, that victim would be the person that let the murder in the trailer...is that the same victim that was found clutching the hair? Shouldn't there have been DNA under that victim's nails? It sure sounds like that victim fought the murder & there seemed to be no defensive wounds visible on Heinze. Murderer...sorry, I didn't proof-read better.
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Since: Sep 09
Boston, MA
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If they were looking for DNA why pubic hair? Why not underarm or chest hair?
I don't think I have seen anything about the police being called to the trailer before this. Please if you can find the link, let us know.
There as also no mention of any history with that address. It did say they were facing immanent eviction (like in two days from the end of August?) for overcrowding. I assume that means the trailer was rented by Toler not owned?
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WHAT
Savannah, GA
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Sunshine wrote: <quoted text>I've been thinking about the hair issue...could that hair have come from an African American? I do NOT mean to offend anyone with that statement. I'm just wondering since the hair sample from Heinze was taken from the pubic area...makes sense to me. Are you implying that pubic hair and Afican American hair is SIMULAR!?! MAKES SENSE TO YOU?! You are a flaming racist.... makes sense to me!
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Since: Sep 08
Hinesville, GA
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WHAT wrote: <quoted text>
Are you implying that pubic hair and Afican American hair is SIMULAR!?! MAKES SENSE TO YOU?! You are a flaming racist.... makes sense to me! I don't think Sunshine meant to be racists with that. It's a dumb comment no doubt, but I don't think SS meant harm with it. Certainly you can get DNA from any hair on the body.
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Drunkpeoplesuck
Brunswick, GA
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Give it up! He slaughtered them all!
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Sunshine
Wetumpka, AL
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WHAT wrote: <quoted text>
Are you implying that pubic hair and Afican American hair is SIMULAR!?! MAKES SENSE TO YOU?! You are a flaming racist.... makes sense to me! I am saying that the hair "clutched" in the victim's hand was probable SHORT & WIREY, which does make sense. Now, if you want to start RACIST GARBAGE GO TO A FORUM where it is ACTUALLY being SPEWED! We are discussing a crime, not racism.
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