Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“All things considered”

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#144976 Jun 8, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Just be thankful there's no thought of including needing to tell people that you're trying to be funny. Just so you know, no, no and the other was never listed to begin with.
thank you rick your your time in discussing this aspect of gays in marriage. have a good weekend if i don't return before monday.
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#144977 Jun 8, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>We don't need more explaining, we just need someone to finally prove that there is a compelling state interest which is served by denying the right to marry to those who wish to marry someone of the same sex. I've read all the reasons, from God says, to heterosexuals are horny and irresponsible and need special inducements to hopefully change the irresponsible part of your nature, but none of them add up to what is required to deny the right to marry.
<quoted text>Two mutually exclusive thoughts in the same post, interesting. I'm sorry that the laws prohibiting legal poly marriages are so easily proved constitutional, even using strict scrutiny, but that's the way it is. You claim to favor marriage equality for all, but you can't find an argument to sink same sex marriages nor one to save the polies. Bummer.
I don't want an argument "to sink" same sex marriage. I fully support same sex marriage. I hope it is universal soon.

What don't you understand about "I support marriage equality for all consenting adults"?
thisGuy

Stephenville, TX

#144979 Jun 8, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Just be thankful there's no thought of including needing to tell people that you're trying to be funny. Just so you know, no, no and the other was never listed to begin with.
Really? So zoophilia & necrophilia was never listed as a mental illness? Much like homosexuality?

Cool Story Bro
thisGuy

Stephenville, TX

#144980 Jun 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of curiosity.....are you stupid or what? Polygamy is a criminal offense that must be decriminalized before anything else can happen and the other 2 would lack consent.
And yet for some reason you gays enjoy embracing it, do you? I heard polygamy runs rampent in the fagottry lifestyle. I take it when you are incapable of giving birth to children, it leaves you with a disposable income to spend on steam baths & anonymous orgies

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#144981 Jun 8, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>
i see no problem with those against homosexual rights taking a cynical eye on the actions that took place those years. it is understandable. but at some point we have to level ourselves to the facts of the situation once the dust has settled and i think your outline of the series of events is accurate.
emotion can often cloud one's vision of what is happening or took place and both sides to this aspect of gays recieving their just rights can be guilty of ot but once we get the luxury of time and a level head to look back on events both current and past we often determine the right answers.
In that past case it was seen as just that the APA lifted any type of label given homosexuality. Now we have to forge through and look into the equality aspect in terms of gay marriage.
Most who have turned being against homosexuality and/or homosexuals into their livelihood aren't about to let the dust settle on ANYTHING. This is why, 38 years later we're still talking about the APA convention and the associated protests. It's also why we have to be conversant in a legal case filed 40 years before its time (Baker v Nelson), books published in the 70's (After the Ball, among others) and the ever popular Homosexual Manifesto. That dust isn't about to be settled. Anything and everything any homosexual person might have said which might negatively reflect on us as a collective will be used against us no matter how obscure. Look back on this and other threads, you'll find the exact same discussions repeated over and over again, because the same issues keep being brought up over and over again. Sometimes it's by people who honestly don't know any more than they've "learned", but usually it's by those who are denser than a bag of cement and just want to be antagonistic.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#144982 Jun 8, 2012
thisGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet for some reason you gays enjoy embracing it, do you? I heard polygamy runs rampent in the fagottry lifestyle. I take it when you are incapable of giving birth to children, it leaves you with a disposable income to spend on steam baths & anonymous orgies
Actually, it's not Gays or Lesbians that are into polygamist relationships......but even if what you posted was true......what business is it of yours? Straights are just as much into polygamy and swinging......seems, you just show how much of a frucking jackazz you are.......lol!!!

I'm a Lesbian, who already has a grown child and so my childbearing years are a bit behind me.....not into steam houses and NEVER been into orgies.....so, you'll have to tell me how that works for ya!!!
thisGuy

Stephenville, TX

#144983 Jun 8, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's not Gays or Lesbians that are into polygamist relationships......but even if what you posted was true......what business is it of yours? Straights are just as much into polygamy and swinging......seems, you just show how much of a frucking jackazz you are.......lol!!!
I'm a Lesbian, who already has a grown child and so my childbearing years are a bit behind me.....not into steam houses and NEVER been into orgies.....so, you'll have to tell me how that works for ya!!!
Wait! wat? You mean you were into men before? But I thought lesbians weren't attracted to men? Wow, you are one confused individual.

Second, I make it my business when you flaunt your sexual preferences down my throat! So I have every right to be disgusted by the lifestyle.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#144984 Jun 8, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
I don't want an argument "to sink" same sex marriage. I fully support same sex marriage. I hope it is universal soon.
But not exactly helpful to the cause there bro. Focusing on issues irrelevant to the discussion of same sex marriage, especially issues often hung like an albatross around our necks is nothing but a distraction.
Frank Rizzo wrote:
What don't you understand about "I support marriage equality for all consenting adults"?
Vague to the point of being completely meaningless. What I get from that is you saying that the state's only role in the regulation of the marriage right is to hopefully be able to keep up with who is married to whom with no restrictions, absent all parties being consenting adults. So, no matter how absurd a combination I throw at you, as long as they have consented and as long as you got at least two people, you're not only good to go, you, you, you, you and all your future soul mates are entitled to equality in the rights, benefits, protections and so forth of marriage.

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#144985 Jun 8, 2012
thisGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait! wat? You mean you were into men before? But I thought lesbians weren't attracted to men? Wow, you are one confused individual.
Second, I make it my business when you flaunt your sexual preferences down my throat! So I have every right to be disgusted by the lifestyle.
For the umptenth time........I tried to be heterosexual, had a child the good old fashion way.......realized that I couldn't live my life as a lie and made a choice to be true to myself.....I've always been a Lesbian......and being involved with a man didn't change that.....just confirmed it.

I hate to tell you this....but look around you jackazz......everyday it is heterosexuality that is being flaunted with the dating services on tv commercials, along with Viagra and Cialis commercials to help men get it the fruck up. There is little flaunting of homosexuality on tv and one has to go out and find pictures of the Gay Pride Parades in order to see the supposed disgusting acts......and IT'S STILL NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!!

Learn to live your life......but you aren't entitled to try and make others live their lives by your standards.

Ya know.....I was telling my wife today that when our grandchild is 18 years old, they will be wondering what the problem is that you people have had against their grandparents. Hell, it is possible, if you have children......that they will grow up and wonder what your issue was towards folks you don't even know, but have opted to pass judgment on them just because they love differently than you do......pathetic and sad.
Mona Lot

London, UK

#144986 Jun 9, 2012
Mona-Little wrote:
<quoted text>
I may be Gay, but I sure as hell am not a hypocrite. Do you know what a hypocrite is? Well, let me tell you, it's someone just like you. Someone who pretends to be a Christian, goes to church and pretends to serve the Lord, then outside of church they insult, curse and judge other people. You better go look at yourself in the mirror, stupid homophobia creep!
Dude, a Christian who judges goes to heaven, but you a gay who is no hypocrite goes to heaven. Homophobia is a gay affliction, you know that since you are no hypocrite.
Mona Lot

London, UK

#144987 Jun 9, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
For the umptenth time........I tried to be heterosexual, had a child the good old fashion way.......realized that I couldn't live my life as a lie and made a choice to be true to myself.....I've always been a Lesbian......and being involved with a man didn't change that.....just confirmed it.
I hate to tell you this....but look around you jackazz......everyday it is heterosexuality that is being flaunted with the dating services on tv commercials, along with Viagra and Cialis commercials to help men get it the fruck up. There is little flaunting of homosexuality on tv and one has to go out and find pictures of the Gay Pride Parades in order to see the supposed disgusting acts......and IT'S STILL NONE OF YOUR DAMN BUSINESS!!!
Learn to live your life......but you aren't entitled to try and make others live their lives by your standards.
Ya know.....I was telling my wife today that when our grandchild is 18 years old, they will be wondering what the problem is that you people have had against their grandparents. Hell, it is possible, if you have children......that they will grow up and wonder what your issue was towards folks you don't even know, but have opted to pass judgment on them just because they love differently than you do......pathetic and sad.
so, you flaunted yourself as a heerosexual and got pregnant. I guess your egg was heterosexual and he aroused you to lubrication.

LIAR, UNLESS YOU HAD 5-8 YEARS OF REPARATIVE/CONVERSION THERAPY THEN YOU WERE NOT TRYING TO FIX THE SICKNESS.

Gays flaunt and perverse themselves.

IN LA, they are laws in parks and on streets to prevent over night or late parking, because 1000s of gays and 1000s of gays were having sex in the streets and in cars parked in streets.
Mona Lot

London, UK

#144988 Jun 9, 2012
RnL2008 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's not Gays or Lesbians that are into polygamist relationships......but even if what you posted was true......what business is it of yours? Straights are just as much into polygamy and swinging......seems, you just show how much of a frucking jackazz you are.......lol!!!
I'm a Lesbian, who already has a grown child and so my childbearing years are a bit behind me.....not into steam houses and NEVER been into orgies.....so, you'll have to tell me how that works for ya!!!
SO, WHAT BUSINESS is it of yours if 98-99% of people, straights, vote to define marriage as one man and one woman only. Like, you said it is none of your business. It really does not matter what straights are into, it is none of your business.

What is our business is the fact that you are compared to pedophiles and polygamist.

I think with a Mormon presidential candidate leading so far, America is ready to here from the heterosexual polgyamist and ignore the whinings of the gays which we are done with and ready to lock back in the closet.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#144989 Jun 9, 2012
Blake wrote:
<quoted text>Hick, you really need to go back for that GED.
Supreme Court rulings enforcing the national definition of marriage as solely between man and wife in fact had nothing to do with child brides or forced marriages.
Plural marriage was very common throughout the Americas before your white trash ancestors got here. The same was true in Asia and Africa and even pre-Christian Europe.
Marriage has ALWAYS involved opposite genders. In every single culture. In ALL of human history.

Marriage has ALWAYS involved the potential of children, unless choice or physical disability prevent it. Children are a part of 96% of marriages.

Neither is true of gay couples.

Those distinctions separate marriage from all other relationships.

No legal manipulation can change that reality.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#144990 Jun 9, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
<quoted text>
that is incorrect as well. there is no inherent rule that married couples must have offspring.
Honey, you have listened to gay twirl talking points without engaging your brain.

No one is saying marriage "requires" children.

The FACT is that 96% of marriages DO involve children, so they distinguish marriage and must be considered. Marriage is the ONLY relationship that births all other relationships. That is true throughout nature where there are two genders.

The value you hold your OWN mother and father SCREAMS against gay unions being the same as marriage!

The FACT also is that marriage in every single culture in all of human history has involved both genders. Not a single culture has EVER accepted gay 'marriage' from start to to finish.

The union of opposite genders is infinitely more complex and difficult than any redundant relationship. A CHILD can look at marriage and gay unions and distinguish the difference. Especially when one couple (and only one) is mom and dad, right?

Gays unions have every right and potential establishing their OWN rights and privileges JUST LIKE MARRIAGE DID. But imposing a imposter relationship over the most significant one is dangerous and dumb!
Frank Rizzo

Union City, CA

#144991 Jun 9, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>But not exactly helpful to the cause there bro. Focusing on issues irrelevant to the discussion of same sex marriage, especially issues often hung like an albatross around our necks is nothing but a distraction.
<quoted text>Vague to the point of being completely meaningless. What I get from that is you saying that the state's only role in the regulation of the marriage right is to hopefully be able to keep up with who is married to whom with no restrictions, absent all parties being consenting adults. So, no matter how absurd a combination I throw at you, as long as they have consented and as long as you got at least two people, you're not only good to go, you, you, you, you and all your future soul mates are entitled to equality in the rights, benefits, protections and so forth of marriage.
What can I say when you say that my equal rights are trivial and just a distraction to you. Do you expect me to apologize or something?

And what can I say when you say I already have equal rights to marry another person? I say that you hate that dumb argument when it's used against you- here it is- You have the same equal right to marry a woman as any heterosexual man.

And many people consider YOUR quest for equal rights a just a trivial distraction. How do you like that?
Mona Lott

Hoboken, NJ

#144992 Jun 9, 2012
thisGuy wrote:
<quoted text>
The right to disagree with your perverted homo lifestyle
What law says you can't disagree?

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#144993 Jun 9, 2012
Mona Lot wrote:
Hey Doc,
What's the problem with posting under your own nic?You know that we can tell you're not who you are trying to impersonate......silly boy!!!

“IT'S TIME TO ELIMINATE”

Since: Mar 11

PROP 8 AND DOMA!!!

#144994 Jun 9, 2012
Mona Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
What law says you can't disagree?
Hey Mona.......seems you picked up a troll.......lol!!!

“All things considered”

Since: Jun 12

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#144995 Jun 9, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Honey, you have listened to gay twirl talking points without engaging your brain.
No one is saying marriage "requires" children.
The FACT is that 96% of marriages DO involve children, so they distinguish marriage and must be considered. Marriage is the ONLY relationship that births all other relationships. That is true throughout nature where there are two genders.
The value you hold your OWN mother and father SCREAMS against gay unions being the same as marriage!
The FACT also is that marriage in every single culture in all of human history has involved both genders. Not a single culture has EVER accepted gay 'marriage' from start to to finish.
The union of opposite genders is infinitely more complex and difficult than any redundant relationship. A CHILD can look at marriage and gay unions and distinguish the difference. Especially when one couple (and only one) is mom and dad, right?
Gays unions have every right and potential establishing their OWN rights and privileges JUST LIKE MARRIAGE DID. But imposing a imposter relationship over the most significant one is dangerous and dumb!
please do not call me 'honey' because for one i do not know you and secondly it is a form of belittlement.

secondly you are incorrect. poster 'thisguy' in post #144966 did infer marriage which produced no children were 'dead ends'.

i cannot believe your figure of 96% of heterosexual marriages due to the reasoning i see no facts supporting this claim.

your claim of homosexual marriages as being 'imposters' is merely a reflection of your opinion and not one universally seen.

i appreciate your input but it is hard to believe your statements above given you have no references to back your claims with the remainder being statements regarding your opinions on the matter. sorry.

“All things considered”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#144996 Jun 9, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
What can I say when you say that my equal rights are trivial and just a distraction to you. Do you expect me to apologize or something?
And what can I say when you say I already have equal rights to marry another person? I say that you hate that dumb argument when it's used against you- here it is- You have the same equal right to marry a woman as any heterosexual man.
And many people consider YOUR quest for equal rights a just a trivial distraction. How do you like that?
if 'rick in kansas' is gay he does not have equal rights in terms of marriage outside of 5 states from my understanding. that is why the discussion is taking place.

if rick is indeed a man and homosexual he would then be attracted to certain men who appeal to him and not women necessarily so i cannot see how your statement would fit that he could marry a woman given the likelihood is not present.

as far as the gays pursuit of this marriage aspect they apparently do not consider it trivial and i myself am starting to understand why given marriage might be an integral part of their lives they are missing.

why do you feel most oppose gay marriage? i am getting two sides to this. one based on past traditional marriage being 'broken' and some basing it on religious belief.

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