Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Bigotry against polygamy in the USA is based on fear and bigotry of Mormons.
What possible harm would a marriage of 3 three consenting adults cause you or anyone else?
mormons have separated themselves from polygamy completely almost 100 years ago. those that practice it now are often shunned by the mormon faith.

i don't know of what fear and bigotry you are referring to so you would have to provide examples.

the harm associated with polygamy was orchestrated by the government after reviewing polygamist's inclusion of cultist practices in many cases including the inclusion of underage brides in multiple marriages and the seclusion of it's parties from common laws. these determinations were made by the government and not by myself so i personally am unaware of the total number of harms determined. i am sure this information is readily available but as we are discussing same sex marriage and not polygamy i see no reason for it's inclusion.
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mormons have separated themselves from polygamy completely almost 100 years ago. those that practice it now are often shunned by the mormon faith.
i don't know of what fear and bigotry you are referring to so you would have to provide examples.
the harm associated with polygamy was orchestrated by the government after reviewing polygamist's inclusion of cultist practices in many cases including the inclusion of underage brides in multiple marriages and the seclusion of it's parties from common laws. these determinations were made by the government and not by myself so i personally am unaware of the total number of harms determined. i am sure this information is readily available but as we are discussing same sex marriage and not polygamy i see no reason for it's inclusion.
Yeah, yeah, "underage preteen child brides. forced marriages, cults, bla bla bla", please hold the bigotry for a moment. Let's say three men, all consenting adults, want to marry. What do you have against that?

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Yeah, yeah, "underage preteen child brides. forced marriages, cults, bla bla bla", please hold the bigotry for a moment. Let's say three men, all consenting adults, want to marry. What do you have against that?
if you wish a discussion i fail to see the need for your rudeness.

i have never seen 3 men wanting to marry. if there were 3 men wanting to marry each other they in turn would have to convince the government and those who determined harm in polygamy in order to convince them to create the allowance of it.

given we are discussing same sexed marriage amongst 2 adults i myself don't see the inclusion of polygamy being a factor.

and i have not exemplified bigotry, please do not make false inferences to my posts.

thank you for your time in this. i may come back later but for now have to leave.

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31 states to 5 states does make you the small hate group
And people like rose ho prove that every time he posts[/QUOTE]

Agreed! These shrill gays in here just go crazy with the judgement icons thinking that what we are saying is somehow lessened. 5 states which have gay marriage which got in them because it was snuck in through the back door and not put to a vote. Gay marriage has NEVER been voted for in any state. Whats more, a full 32 states (more than 2/3) have put constitutional bans against it.

Dont they see that this means that if they push too hard, support is there to add a Constitutional Amendment to the US Constitution permanently banning it? They would do well to drop the adversarial relationship they have with everyone. They just piss more people off, and motivate people who would normally not care about it one way or another. My quiet neighbors are suddenly organizing prevent California from lifting the ban currently still in place after gay judge Walker overturned it.
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if you wish a discussion i fail to see the need for your rudeness.
i have never seen 3 men wanting to marry. if there were 3 men wanting to marry each other they in turn would have to convince the government and those who determined harm in polygamy in order to convince them to create the allowance of it.
given we are discussing same sexed marriage amongst 2 adults i myself don't see the inclusion of polygamy being a factor.
and i have not exemplified bigotry, please do not make false inferences to my posts.
thank you for your time in this. i may come back later but for now have to leave.
Well excuse my rudeness but it was rude of you to equate polygamists with forced child brides etc.
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i don't have an uncle 'tod' so i'm not sure of your reference.
Wow no sense of humour bro
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this seems to be a common reflection of those opposed to gay marriages.
unfortunately it is based on opinion with no factual basis in that it should interfere with another citizens rights t a basic freedom such as marriage.
one blockage to gay marriage could be finding a harm embodied in it but so far none has been found.
LOL "with no factual basis"? Oh PLuueeeezzz. I don't support gay marriage for the same reason I don't support bestiality, polygamy, pedophilia, & god forbidden furries! They are perversions & nothing else. They don't accomplish anything! The way I see it, if you're going to call gay marriage "equal", then you might was well call those who marry kids, animals, objects, & even themselves as "equal" to. It's a slippery slope, many of which I see many sexual deviants here support!

It is a FACT gays cannot reproduce, because it takes a man & a woman to procreate. This is a FACTUAL BASIS of biology!
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<quoted text>Make up whatever lie suits your agenda. It's nothing new.
Don't you mean YOUR agenda. If I'm correct, wasn't it your gay community that propose the idea of gay porn in the classroom lol? The Gay Manifestios are the ones supporting the idea of showing children gay porn in the classroom, not us normal folks. Seems to me the Gay Nazi Party wants our kids exposed to what gays do in the bedroom...LOL.

I take it NAMBLA must be getting desperate to fulfill their evil sexual urges....ROFL
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And then what? We'll have to constitute marriage between man & dog as "equal marriage"?....ROFL
And then what... we'll have to deny voting rights to stupid people like you?
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Don't you mean YOUR agenda. If I'm correct, wasn't it your gay community that propose the idea of gay porn in the classroom lol? The Gay Manifestios are the ones supporting the idea of showing children gay porn in the classroom, not us normal folks. Seems to me the Gay Nazi Party wants our kids exposed to what gays do in the bedroom...LOL.
I take it NAMBLA must be getting desperate to fulfill their evil sexual urges....ROFL
Nobody is proposing gay porn in the classroom, dipshit. Were you deprived of oxygen at birth? fetal alcohol syndrome?
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LOL "with no factual basis"? Oh PLuueeeezzz. I don't support gay marriage for the same reason I don't support bestiality, polygamy, pedophilia, & god forbidden furries! They are perversions & nothing else. They don't accomplish anything! The way I see it, if you're going to call gay marriage "equal", then you might was well call those who marry kids, animals, objects, & even themselves as "equal" to. It's a slippery slope, many of which I see many sexual deviants here support!
It is a FACT gays cannot reproduce, because it takes a man & a woman to procreate. This is a FACTUAL BASIS of biology!
It is also a FACT that reproduction is not a requirement for marriage. Is everyone in your town retarded or just you?

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It is also a FACT that reproduction is not a requirement for marriage. Is everyone in your town retarded or just you?
It is also a FACT that marriage is between a man and a woman only. You want to change the facts to suit you and we just wont let you. Keep puching and we will keep pushing back even harder. WE are winning, not you.
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<quoted text>Not so fast Lucy, Dan admits that at one time he was a Homophobe, just like you. The difference is Dan evolved, changed, whilst you are stuck in the bronze age. Dan now understands that gay people are no different, they just want to be accepted for who they are. Oh they would also very much like to be married. Seee Ya Lucy
The difference is that I'm not Homophobic. I'm just not in favor of gay marriage. I have several long time friends that are gay, what people do in their private life is their business. So you got your information messed up again Jack.
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Well spoken Sedgewick.
You should have driven 30 minutes south to Elk Grove to get that EG stamp to make it look more authentic.
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Right, it's always someone else......you've NEVER done anything wrong, right?
Yes it's wrong to do the same thing dan does, but after a time, it's hard to resist. The point is dan can't argue and always makes threats, you just saw his threat yesterday to have me meet him at a local Home Depot. When he writes.."LOL" he actually seems very angry. I am not the only one that has been threatened and insulted by him. He started it.

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<quoted text>The difference is that I'm not Homophobic. I'm just not in favor of gay marriage. I have several long time friends that are gay, what people do in their private life is their business. So you got your information messed up again Jack.
That describes me too. I have great gay friends, both male and female. But I am against gay marriage, and they understand that even if they dont agree. Gays who resent my stance and done know me will assume I am a homophobic Christian citing some fantasmogorical Bible scripture. I am not religious at all, not homophobic, and against gay marriage.
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<quoted text>Nobody is proposing gay porn in the classroom, dipshit. Were you deprived of oxygen at birth? fetal alcohol syndrome?
^Says the lesbian who recruits kids of her own LMAO
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It is also a FACT that reproduction is not a requirement for marriage. Is everyone in your town retarded or just you?
Then what are straight married couples doing? Giving birth to biological children of their own? Plueeeeez. The whole purpose of marriage is stay committed & REPRODUCE. So spare me the heterophobic insolence

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Well excuse my rudeness but it was rude of you to equate polygamists with forced child brides etc.
Not rude, just part of the reality. When you look at the cases which have challenged state laws against polygamy as a violation of rights guaranteed under the US Constitution over the last 20 years or so, you'll find that they are all cases which involve child brides and/or forced marriages. It's men behaving very badly, who have been at the forefront, waving the banner of the right to polygamy, get used to it. Although you may finally get a respectable case out of that TV family, unless he's married sisters or something that automatically sets off the creepy meter. You'll also find that these cases all come out of Utah, which not only does not allow official polygamous marriages, it criminalizes the unofficial ones to boot, something almost all other states don't.

There is one reason and one reason only that there will never be a constitutionally recognized right to poly relationships as legal marriage under the US Constitution and it has nothing to do with creepy marriages, hatred of Mormons, Muslims or anyone else who wants such a relationship, the compelling state interest of the state actually being able to regulate marriage and the reality that any limit beyond one marriage per person at a time would be indefensibly arbitrary. Two spouses? Once you answer the question of whether your second wife counts against your first wife's total and vice versa, or if they can have a second spouse too and what, if any, are the rights, protections, benefits, responsibilities and obligations of the parties to these marriages are to be, you get asked the question of why the hell are you discriminating against those of us who want 3, 4, 5, 6...??? If you want a poly relationship, the state shouldn't prohibit it. Issues of underage "brides" and/or "grooms", forced relationships, fraud, etc, aren't problems inherent to poly but to some people who do it and shouldn't be overlooked. But if you want the states to regulate that Gordian knot for you, because you have that "right", forget about it, you're going to have to work that one out for yourselves.

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