G. Zimmerman Tricked (Mar'12)

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Mar 25, 2012
 
Tory is a troublemaker wrote:
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Oh, come on! Trying to shift this into a "racist cops" thing?
Every precinct has a "Zimmerman" - the amateur cop wanna-be.
He was well known to dispatchers. But his calls - mostly a cry for attention - were only about one a month, often less. Well, that's what neighborhood watchers are for, isn't it?
But following someone after the call is something else - and he was told to discontinue. What happened after that is his own fault, and he WILL take the responsibility.
I agree this guy was itching for some action and Martin was in the wrong place at the wrong time,this guy reminds me of Jim Carey's rent a cop caracter from 'In Living Color" .

But in all seriousness once the dust settles this guy will have to live with taking a life.
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Mar 25, 2012
 
the kid is not the pure obama look a like the blacks want you to believe.he was a bad kid who was most likey up to no good.zimmermen was a community active man who was helping keeping it safe---not guilty--

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Mar 25, 2012
 
guess it's true that the clothes make the man. he dressed gangsta & got shot. shoulda gone w/Ralph Lauren.
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guess it's true that the clothes make the man. he dressed gangsta & got shot. shoulda gone w/Ralph Lauren.
True.

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If Martin IS a big boy and he attacked Zimmerman then I agree Zimmerman could shoot him.
Even if Zimmerman failed to identify himself properly as a watch dog police officer and accosted the kid who felt himself threatened after being followed..
How many neighbors heard Zimmerman shout out a warning? NONE
How would a police officer handle the same situation...He would have yelled a warning before any confrontation to identify himself...
The size of Martin is not the issue,it's the lack procedure,the direct disobeying of an officer to cease following and Zimmermans own admissions on the phone that clearly show his train of thought that Martin was guilty and stating "These assholes always get away".
Martin had no weapons or tools used in a break in,no mask,not even a screw driver was found on that kid. It was a bag of skittles which goes a long way in verifying the parents version of events.
Zimmerman is a fool as was the police captain for neglecting to bring charges..
It just shows the public how law enforcement selectivley applies laws meant for everyone.....but themselves and their inner circle

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<quoted text>Even if Zimmerman failed to identify himself properly as a watch dog police officer and accosted the kid who felt himself threatened after being followed..
How many neighbors heard Zimmerman shout out a warning? NONE
How would a police officer handle the same situation...He would have yelled a warning before any confrontation to identify himself...
The size of Martin is not the issue,it's the lack procedure,the direct disobeying of an officer to cease following and Zimmermans own admissions on the phone that clearly show his train of thought that Martin was guilty and stating "These assholes always get away".
Martin had no weapons or tools used in a break in,no mask,not even a screw driver was found on that kid. It was a bag of skittles which goes a long way in verifying the parents version of events.
Zimmerman is a fool as was the police captain for neglecting to bring charges..
It just shows the public how law enforcement selectivley applies laws meant for everyone.....but themselves and their inner circle
Umm, the witnesses are backing the story that Zimmerman has given. Zimmerman a police captain? You are kidding right? Zimmerman was acting as a civilian. He was not a police captain, not a security guard just a civilian like the rest of us. How you tie him with the police who you believe are giving him special treatment is a real stretch but due to your disdain for the police you can't see it.
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no double standards the black attacked, zimmermen feared for his life shot him.this is why this law is in place to help whites fend off armed attacks by blacks.the more guns the better now you never know.i hate guns but the white people have no choice arm or be mugged raped or killed.

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Mar 25, 2012
 
U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., on Sunday sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder asking for a federal investigation into whether killings are going unprosecuted because the laws put too much of a burden on local authorities.
I guess you consider Sen Schumer to have disdain for the police also for daring to question police motives for not prosecuting killings...
I have no disdain for the police,I don't even have disdain for you,{it's not worth it}I don't have disdain for those that try to discourage any questioning of authority.....We live in America and people can formulate their own opinions and question the motives,inconsistences of our local law enforcement..
Then there are those who are aware of abuses with those PBA cards and the hypocracy behind it..and yes I have one in my wallet....which i'll never have to use,unlike alot of card carrying family members of those who took an oath to serve and protect....Who do they serve,the public or the car insurance carrier....I say they serve the insurance company's better than they serve the non PBA card carrying public....but thats my opinion..
I tie him in with the police who provided his neighborhood watch training...He called,was told to cease following and that is what he should have done,there would have been nobody shot because of a perceived threat against property.
On an aside I have many years of dealing in situations with assaultive people,hunderds of events.It's all about knowing your capabilities and not putting yourself in harms way...IMO Zimmerman overstepped his capabilities and made bad choices and failed to properly identify himself...
If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it and i have no issues questioning inconsistences in these stories that have been happening in regularity,It's not disdain it's a search for the truth....
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but you must admit--the media finds zim guilty and the black a poor innocent bystander.no investegation just because he's black its a sham.

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bigtool wrote:
but you must admit--the media finds zim guilty and the black a poor innocent bystander.no investegation just because he's black its a sham.
I agree that liberal manipulating media and special interest groups are a concern..

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I have no disdain for the police...Then there are those who are aware of abuses with those PBA cards and the hypocracy behind it..and yes I have one in my wallet....which i'll never have to use
A little sanctimonious? Your post are filled with allegations, assumptions and BS.
we need the facts

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Mar 25, 2012
 
plottmasteram wrote:
U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., on Sunday sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder asking for a federal investigation into whether killings are going unprosecuted because the laws put too much of a burden on local authorities.
I guess you consider Sen Schumer to have disdain for the police also for daring to question police motives for not prosecuting killings...
I have no disdain for the police,I don't even have disdain for you,{it's not worth it}I don't have disdain for those that try to discourage any questioning of authority.....We live in America and people can formulate their own opinions and question the motives,inconsistences of our local law enforcement..
Then there are those who are aware of abuses with those PBA cards and the hypocracy behind it..and yes I have one in my wallet....which i'll never have to use,unlike alot of card carrying family members of those who took an oath to serve and protect....Who do they serve,the public or the car insurance carrier....I say they serve the insurance company's better than they serve the non PBA card carrying public....but thats my opinion..
I tie him in with the police who provided his neighborhood watch training...He called,was told to cease following and that is what he should have done,there would have been nobody shot because of a perceived threat against property.
On an aside I have many years of dealing in situations with assaultive people,hunderds of events.It's all about knowing your capabilities and not putting yourself in harms way...IMO Zimmerman overstepped his capabilities and made bad choices and failed to properly identify himself...
If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it and i have no issues questioning inconsistences in these stories that have been happening in regularity,It's not disdain it's a search for the truth....
It doesn't even seem like the full facts are out on this case and already Schumer, Obama and friends are trying to use this to attack our rights to try to defend ourselves, just like they tried to use fast and furious to push gun control

lets get the full facts before we all come to conclusions.

If what many are inferring happened, then the fault is not with the law but with the man.

on the other hand what many are inferring could be wrong and based on the rants of a few rather then the facts of the case.
we need the facts

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#56
Mar 25, 2012
 
where is Obama, schumer, holder, sharpton and others on this

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/ne...

"They rushed him on the porch as he tried to get the door open," Coon told KMBC. "(One of them) poured the gasoline, then flicked the Bic, and said,'This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.'"

By lighting the gasoline, the second attacker "produced a large fireball burning the face and hair" of the boy, according to a Kansas City Police Department report obtained by KCTV.

"It was pretty bad stuff," Detective Stacey Taylor told the TV station, adding that police are concerned the boy may have suffered damage to his eyes and lungs.

Coon said her son put out the fire with his shirt and called 911 himself. He was rushed to the hospital and was treated for his injuries.

She believes the students also attend East High School with her son, and said he will not be returning to the school. She also told KMBC her traumatized family plans now plans to move.

"My 5-year-old came in and asked me,'Mom, am I going to get set on fire today?'" Coon said. "I was in tears."

Read more: http://www.disclose.tv/forum/black-community-...

Where is the racist in chief and his sidekick "Americans are cowards" Holder on this.

I guess they are to busy supporting the bounty the black panthers have put on Zimmerman's head.

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Would you stop beating Zimmerman in the face if he pointed his pistol at you (while you beat his face)?

So apparently, Trayvon Martin stood his ground and was shot by his attacker.
Assume Martin was attacking:

Why didn't he stop his attack when Zimmerman pointed his pistol at him ?

Zimmerman murdered Martin. Zimmerman isn't going to be allowed the StandYourGround law as a defense because he followed Martin.

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<quoted text>A little sanctimonious? Your post are filled with allegations, assumptions and BS.
Everyone heard the phone call and the police tell zimmerman to stop following the kid..
There has been no reports that this kid was carrying burglary tools,mask a report does describe a bag of skittles.
I took a stab and guessed that this watch dog recieved his neighborhood training watch from the same law enforcement department that failed to levy a charge...My guess is fact he recieved training in 2008 from the same department.... By the way,this brings up a conflict of interest......
What about your posts my little nazi friend...your way or the highway and if anyone offers a different opinion,You display the mentality of a spoiled brat who always got their way and is always right...You want to protect peoples right to defend themselves,I'm all for it...though I would not hang my hat on this particular incident.especially after displaying the attitude of a child..
All zimmerman had to do was follow the direction of the dispatcher on the phone and instead he continued to pursue the individual....
two question..Any reports that zimmerman identified himself as a neighborhood watch and did zimmerman verbalize his percieved assumptions about that kid to police/what where they?
The whole thing stinks ,just like the taxi shooting and the Henke, no charges levied on a druggie family member of SCPD....Sanctimoniuos my A$$

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we need the facts wrote:
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It doesn't even seem like the full facts are out on this case and already Schumer, Obama and friends are trying to use this to attack our rights to try to defend ourselves, just like they tried to use fast and furious to push gun control
lets get the full facts before we all come to conclusions.
If what many are inferring happened, then the fault is not with the law but with the man.
on the other hand what many are inferring could be wrong and based on the rants of a few rather then the facts of the case.
I'm all for transparency and this is what this case is all about...lack of transparency..It gives an opening for politicians to get involved and the public has a right to question it...Unlike what some posters here would like you to believe.

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Mar 26, 2012
 
plottmasteram wrote:
<quoted text>Everyone heard the phone call and the police tell zimmerman to stop following the kid..
There has been no reports that this kid was carrying burglary tools,mask a report does describe a bag of skittles.
I took a stab and guessed that this watch dog recieved his neighborhood training watch from the same law enforcement department that failed to levy a charge...My guess is fact he recieved training in 2008 from the same department.... By the way,this brings up a conflict of interest......
What about your posts my little nazi friend...your way or the highway and if anyone offers a different opinion,You display the mentality of a spoiled brat who always got their way and is always right...You want to protect peoples right to defend themselves,I'm all for it...though I would not hang my hat on this particular incident.especially after displaying the attitude of a child..
All zimmerman had to do was follow the direction of the dispatcher on the phone and instead he continued to pursue the individual....
two question..Any reports that zimmerman identified himself as a neighborhood watch and did zimmerman verbalize his percieved assumptions about that kid to police/what where they?
The whole thing stinks ,just like the taxi shooting and the Henke, no charges levied on a druggie family member of SCPD....Sanctimoniuos my A$$
"Everyone heard the phone call and the police tell zimmerman to stop following the kid.."

Why would a dispatcher tell Zimmerman to stop following a suspicious person? Wouldn't they want the eyes of the community to keep the suspicious person under surveilance until the police arrived to avoid a mistaken stop by the police?

"There has been no reports that this kid was carrying burglary tools,mask a report does describe a bag of skittles"

True not too many people call 911 and report someone is carrying burglary tools but many do call 911 to report a 'suspicious person' like Zimmerman did. And the 'report' of a bag of Skittles obviously came after the fact or did someone actually report that the 6' 3''kid' was carrying Skittles? And you must have confused your burglary suspect with a robbery suspect when you mention a mask, right?

"I took a stab and guessed that this watch dog (nice pejorative) recieved his neighborhood training watch from the same law enforcement department that failed to levy a charge...My guess is fact he recieved training in 2008 from the same department.... By the way,this brings up a conflict of interest..."

Don't try to imply that his 'training' was anything close to the training that police officers go through. His training probably consisted of what SCPD offers, a Neighborhood Watch DVD and little else. That's the offical 'training' offered, clearly it is not very intensive. Conflict of interest? Zimmerman was not acting like an agent of the police department he was doing what any other concerned civilian would do who is looking out for their neighborhood. There is no conflict of interest.

"Any reports that zimmerman identified himself as a neighborhood watch...'

No one is mandated under any law to ID themselves as a civilian neighborhood watch person, he is not the police!

"The whole thing stinks ,just like the taxi shooting and the Henke, no charges levied on a druggie family member of SCPD"

BINGO!
From 'police training' to the 'failed to levy a charge' to 'conflict of interest', all imply nefarious actions on the part of the police. Your 'rush to judgement' in all police matters makes any post by you regarding anything to do with the police irrelevant. Hence you are the "fruit of the poisonous tree".

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Queen OneEightyToo wrote:
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"Everyone heard the phone call and the police tell zimmerman to stop following the kid.."
Why would a dispatcher tell Zimmerman to stop following a suspicious person? Wouldn't they want the eyes of the community to keep the suspicious person under surveilance until the police arrived to avoid a mistaken stop by the police?
"There has been no reports that this kid was carrying burglary tools,mask a report does describe a bag of skittles"
True not too many people call 911 and report someone is carrying burglary tools but many do call 911 to report a 'suspicious person' like Zimmerman did. And the 'report' of a bag of Skittles obviously came after the fact or did someone actually report that the 6' 3''kid' was carrying Skittles? And you must have confused your burglary suspect with a robbery suspect when you mention a mask, right?
"I took a stab and guessed that this watch dog (nice pejorative) recieved his neighborhood training watch from the same law enforcement department that failed to levy a charge...My guess is fact he recieved training in 2008 from the same department.... By the way,this brings up a conflict of interest..."
Don't try to imply that his 'training' was anything close to the training that police officers go through. His training probably consisted of what SCPD offers, a Neighborhood Watch DVD and little else. That's the offical 'training' offered, clearly it is not very intensive. Conflict of interest? Zimmerman was not acting like an agent of the police department he was doing what any other concerned civilian would do who is looking out for their neighborhood. There is no conflict of interest.
"Any reports that zimmerman identified himself as a neighborhood watch...'
No one is mandated under any law to ID themselves as a civilian neighborhood watch person, he is not the police!
"The whole thing stinks ,just like the taxi shooting and the Henke, no charges levied on a druggie family member of SCPD"
BINGO!
From 'police training' to the 'failed to levy a charge' to 'conflict of interest', all imply nefarious actions on the part of the police. Your 'rush to judgement' in all police matters makes any post by you regarding anything to do with the police irrelevant. Hence you are the "fruit of the poisonous tree".
Your out of your mind Quennie.. Zimmerman Mr.Risk management and surveillance created an event based on assumptions....He's going to jail......policies which promote transparency in our law enforcement will be next..and civilian complaint boards will recieve higher power in dealing with law enforcement ..........all because of a pack of skittles and a hoodie
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plottmasteram wrote:
U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., on Sunday sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder asking for a federal investigation into whether killings are going unprosecuted because the laws put too much of a burden on local authorities.
I guess you consider Sen Schumer to have disdain for the police also for daring to question police motives for not prosecuting killings...
I have no disdain for the police,I don't even have disdain for you,{it's not worth it}I don't have disdain for those that try to discourage any questioning of authority.....We live in America and people can formulate their own opinions and question the motives,inconsistences of our local law enforcement..
Then there are those who are aware of abuses with those PBA cards and the hypocracy behind it..and yes I have one in my wallet....which i'll never have to use,unlike alot of card carrying family members of those who took an oath to serve and protect....Who do they serve,the public or the car insurance carrier....I say they serve the insurance company's better than they serve the non PBA card carrying public....but thats my opinion..
I tie him in with the police who provided his neighborhood watch training...He called,was told to cease following and that is what he should have done,there would have been nobody shot because of a perceived threat against property.
On an aside I have many years of dealing in situations with assaultive people,hunderds of events.It's all about knowing your capabilities and not putting yourself in harms way...IMO Zimmerman overstepped his capabilities and made bad choices and failed to properly identify himself...
If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it and i have no issues questioning inconsistences in these stories that have been happening in regularity,It's not disdain it's a search for the truth....
"On an aside I have many years of dealing in situations with assaultive people,hunderds of events..."

You've read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" many times, right?
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Tory II wrote:
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Assume Martin was attacking:
Why didn't he stop his attack when Zimmerman pointed his pistol at him ?
Zimmerman murdered Martin. Zimmerman isn't going to be allowed the StandYourGround law as a defense because he followed Martin.
You prove once again what a clueless tool you are....

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