Bridgeport firefighters claim reverse discrimination

The Insider wrote:

When taking the test do not put your race or gender or write the opposite of what you are and you will pass. Somebody told me that, they don't even look at the answers...!

You obviously have never taken a civil sevice test and sound like a child. If you are on the job...wow!

Good for them...the best way to end this so it doesn't cost the taxpayers tons of money is to give all that originally passed the positions then everyone will be happy and the taxpayers won't suffer. This City does not care how much money it costs the taxpayers for these court cases.

How about cheating non-resident white BFD firefighters and one sell out? We all know what you and your FC did as well as everyone else does!!!Isn't your lawyer the same slime that didn't want to pay child support and went to the CT Supreme Court to fight paying?  Nice guy and choice!

Love your best Friends

White Male Devil wrote:

Its about time !! This crap has been going on for decades. I hope the white firefighters win their case. This happens everywhere (reverse discrimination) and its never reported. I'm surprised the liberal CT Post actually printed the story. The left wing faction of this country will continue to destroy us unless more whites speak up for their rights

So do you have a problem with
blacks speaking up for themselves? Would you step in if you thought there was discrimination? Could you tell if it was happening if it was not against you? Discrimination is discrimination.

Bridgeport's test designer, "Dr. Outtz" is a menace - to merit, to basic fairness, and to the whole ideal of non-discrimination. His is a socio-political approach to employment testing with an eye toward rigging the results to favor one race over the other. This race-mongering in civil service must come to an end. All Outtz does is instigate race wars. Let's hope the Supreme Court's decision in Ricci v. DeStefano sends Outtz and his ilk packing.

I remember about 10 years ago my nephew ent to pick up an application for the New Haven PD test. When he got to the the table at Union station the cops asked if they could help him as it was the line for PD candidates. He said he wanted to apply, and they statred at him for minuta and started laughing. A black sgt. took him aside and advised him under current preferences, he was a little "light" unless he had a hook. The sgt. looked at his stuff, college degree, 4 years military and supernumery experience and said he looked like a great candidate. Then he advised him not to waste his time and to test for a department where he'd have a chance and would take his experience into consideration. My nephew left and never looked back.

What about the BPT Detective test a few years ago!!!!! What about the up coming
Sergeants test?!!!!!!What about all the prior promotional tests that were tainted by the City!!!!!! Should I just hire a lawyer now and keep them on retainer.......

Transcript of Supreme Court Case

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
FRANK RICCI, ET AL., Petitioners v.No. 07-1428
JOHN DESTEFANO, ET AL.;

GREGORY S. COLEMAN, ESQ., Austin, Tex.; on behalf of the Petitioners.

JUSTICE KENNEDY: Well, let me ask you this -- this question, and I don't mean to interrupt your answer, but it is based on what Justice Souter and Justice Ginsburg have both been asking. Hypothetical case: The city says, our test is not very good. We need a new test.
The expert says, don't pay us to have a new one. There are two great ones out there. One is in City A. The other is in City B. Use either one of those. They are great.

They check. They find out that City A has a disparate impact in the statistical sense, not in the legal sense; that it disadvantages minorities, at least if you look at the passage rates. The other test doesn't. Are they permitted to take the test that doesn't have that differential?

MR. COLEMAN: Under our alternative argument, Your Honor, assuming that -- that fixing disparate impact can be a compelling interest, we believe that you would at least have to demonstrate a strong basis in evidence to show that there is liability under (k)(2)-- your -- your example --

JUSTICE KENNEDY: My -- my question is --and you can answer, I guess, both under Title VII and --and under the Fourteenth Amendment. The city says, the only reason -- the only reason for our selecting the test from City B -- and both tests are very good tests -- is because minorities are better represented on the passing rate. Is that permissible?

MR. COLEMAN: Under the Armstrong basis of evidence test, it might very well be because it meets the second qualification of the disparate impact statute, in which there is a specific alternative that is equally valid. If you are -- if you are going to assume that it can be shown to be equally valid and that it has less disparate impact --

Dr Outz Said there was no dispart impact.Donald Day ,Ron Macky & Ron Morales . the three hipocrits who are the biggest racists ,This city has ever seen .got to Jacobs..By the way there own origization the fire birds don't even want them around anymore ! the new firebirds are educated, there done with the Hate game ,, LETS PLAY BALL.. heres the rules.. If you study harder than me you win period. next case... By the way when I run in to fire to save a life it doesn't matter were you from I'm comin for ya

Did any white city employees get Invites to the big raical rally at Testos on madison ave? Well it apairs that Al Sharpton is the quest speaker at the guardions dinner.Bet ya all the players are there ..there honoring Mrs Rosa Gerea from the civil service commission .. Hey Rosa I think you a fair deticated woman. but there workin ya !!!!

Bridgeport Fireman wrote:

Dr Outz Said there was no dispart impact.Donald Day ,Ron Macky & Ron Morales . the three hipocrits who are the biggest racists ,This city has ever seen .got to Jacobs..By the way there own origization the fire birds don't even want them around anymore ! the new firebirds are educated, there done with the Hate game ,, LETS PLAY BALL.. heres the rules.. If you study harder than me you win period. next case... By the way when I run in to fire to save a life it doesn't matter were you from I'm comin for ya

"Bridgeport Fireman " Perhaps you could reply to my posting of GREGORY S. COLEMAN, ESQ., Austin, Tex.; on behalf of the Petitioners,and JUSTICE KENNEDY on fixing disparate impact?

As a Black male I am offended by this. I feel that if you score high enough to pass then you pass. If you don't well, too bad next time.

Not everyone who tries out for a team gets on the team. This is no different in fact people's lives are at stake.

I want the best qualified for the job and not the right color. This goes for a doctor,cop,firemen who ever. It's no wonder the city is in the shape it's in with descisions like this. I think it sends a bad message.

The tax payers always loose with these suits.

If I was a cop or firemen and did not score high enough that's on me not because I am Black. Please don't give me job just because of that. If I don't check the box that tells my race you would not know who I am unless you know my name.

You either know the material or you don't that's it. I see that the police department has the same problem with the detective test. How long will these suits be tied up in court? The firefighters and cops will win,the tax payers will loose.

The BS in this city will never end,it's a damn shame.

John wrote:

As a Black male I am offended by this. I feel that if you score high enough to pass then you pass. If you don't well, too bad next time.
Not everyone who tries out for a team gets on the team. This is no different in fact people's lives are at stake.
I want the best qualified for the job and not the right color. This goes for a doctor,cop,firemen who ever. It's no wonder the city is in the shape it's in with descisions like this. I think it sends a bad message.
The tax payers always loose with these suits.
If I was a cop or firemen and did not score high enough that's on me not because I am Black. Please don't give me job just because of that. If I don't check the box that tells my race you would not know who I am unless you know my name.
You either know the material or you don't that's it. I see that the police department has the same problem with the detective test. How long will these suits be tied up in court? The firefighters and cops will win,the tax payers will loose.
The BS in this city will never end,it's a damn shame.

"John" It`s obvious that you do not understand testing or the guidelines for those who give exams or what the federal laws is concerning tesing, you just want to tell us how you feel and that`s OK.

It`s sad that you have no respect for yourself or your family because you choose to hide from who you really are, sad.

why do you have to put what race you are on a test? shouldn't you just take the test and the best person qualified should get the job. How would you like to go to a heart doctor or any one that your life is on line and you find out he wasn't the best one qualifed for his job but got it because of his race. doesn't seem fair.Same way here, those fire fighters or even policemen I've heard about are risking their lives for us. why would you not want someone who qualifed the best instead of someone who just barely passed the test.

donna williamson wrote:

why do you have to put what race you are on a test? shouldn't you just take the test and the best person qualified should get the job. How would you like to go to a heart doctor or any one that your life is on line and you find out he wasn't the best one qualifed for his job but got it because of his race. doesn't seem fair.Same way here, those fire fighters or even policemen I've heard about are risking their lives for us. why would you not want someone who qualifed the best instead of someone who just barely passed the test.

"donna williamson", please tell how do you know that you are seeing the best heart doctor? Do you know what his test score was on his medical exam to become a heart doctor or do you where he placed in his class and does that standing compare to other doctors from other schools? The answer is, you don`t know, all you know that they passed their medical board exam with at a passing grade.

Right now in the Bridgeport Fire Department there are firefighters who have either never taken a test for Lieutenant or who took the test for Lieutenant and fail or who took the test for Lieutenant but did not pass high enough to get promoted, who at this very moment are in the position as an "Acting Lieutenant." They are responsible for their crew and the citizens of Bridgeport every time they respond to a call. This happens every day of the week, firefighters who have not gotten promoted but are performing the job. What should we do with them, since they have not passed the Lieutenant exam?

Come on Ron, these guys you are talking about as acting Lts are there because they are senior members of the company. That does not mean they are good leaders or that they are good fire officers. From reading your last post what you are saying is do away with tests because an acting Lt is as good as a regular Lt. Wrong.
Why is it so difficult to read and study the provided material and prepare for the test.
There is more to being a LT than blowing the air horn and turning on the siren and you know it.
Dr Outz was your guy when all this stuff started yet he can not devise a test where the right number of minorities pass high enough to be promoted.Time for a change

It seems to me that this issue should not be considered a Race Issue at all. I think it would fit more appropriately into an ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) wherein apparently the vast majority of black candidates, for whatever reason, are unable to read and write nearly as well as their white counterparts. I suggest this only because it appears that as soon as the City removed the scoring weight from the written and reading portion of the exam, the blacks were then able to pass. This could all be fixed easily if the Department removed any/all requirements for firefighters to be able to read and write.

Ron Mackey wrote:

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"Bridgeport Fireman " Perhaps you could reply to my posting of GREGORY S. COLEMAN, ESQ., Austin, Tex.; on behalf of the Petitioners,and JUSTICE KENNEDY on fixing disparate impact?

Perhaps you are missing the point on this court passage you continue to quote Ron.

>JUSTICE KENNEDY: My -- my question is --and you can answer, I guess, both under Title VII and --and under the Fourteenth Amendment. The city says, the only reason -- the only reason for our selecting the test from City B -- and both tests are very good tests -- is because minorities are better represented on the passing rate. Is that permissible?

MR. COLEMAN: Under the Armstrong basis of evidence test, it might very well be because it meets the second qualification of the disparate impact statute, in which there is a specific alternative that is equally valid. If you are -- if you are going to assume that it can be shown to be equally valid and that it has less disparate impact --<<

"if you are going to assume that it can be shown to be equally valid and that it has less disparate impact"

Test B may be as valid in that example, but still, it cannot be compared to the instant test B here. The instant test was manipulated to imitate a Test B.

Also, it's not the Justice making the argument, it's a question to the Petitioner.

This oral argument is over 90 pages, there's much to pick from.

Eliminate affirmative action and hire people WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE.
Hire them on their training and experience and their ability to do the job.