Warrantless searches likely to become easier

They should get EVERY dem that was running for president to come to NC and express their opposition. Yep, even obama who now has the power to ok warantless searches.

The 4th Amendment reads: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Gee, I don't see EXCEPT if, you are a North Carolina probationer in the 4th Amendment. I think we need to follow the US Constitution. We have way too many un-constitution laws in this country now. Instead of coming up with more laws lets get rid of the un-constitution laws we have now.

Beverly Perdue...Hummmm...More and more I wonder what rock did she crawl out from under

I agree with Fremont above,
however ....

If an individual on probation is stupid enough to go to the monthly/weekly meeting with their probation officer with something illegal on their person then they deserve what ever happens.

Fremont wrote:

Gee, I don't see "EXCEPT if, you are a North Carolina probationer" in the 4th Amendment.

That's called, "The Patriot Act". Oh, wait... but you all forgot the consequences of voting for George W. Bush... that's such a vague memory...

It's not just at the monthly meeting - it's any time they feel like stopping by your house and searching, day or night. Or anytime they want to search your car. or whatever car you are driving, even one you just borrowed from a friend or are test driving from the used car lot. The bill of RIGHTS has become a list of suggestions - our
Founding Fathers are whirling in their graves.

NOOBS? Now ain't that a cute lil name!

I suspect it will go down something like this: People who hold the Constitution as the supreme law of the land will gripe about this and judges who respect it as such won't add this condition to probations. If a violent robber on probation gets caught with a gun in a warantless search, no one will care and the supporters of this legislation will get to say, "I told you so." Then, there will be an incident where a minor offender on unsupervised probation gets searched for absolutely no reason and the cop finds some sort of marijuana paraphernalia and the "convict" gets in trouble. When that happens to some rich kid, it will get national attention and go to the Supreme Court, which will hopefully rule it unconstitutional, completely eradicating North Carolina's bullcrap law.

If the thieving thugs, dope dealers, dope users, felony dwi's, felons, et al, didn't do crimes they wouldn't have anything to worry about or hide. If you do the crime, do the time and whatever the consequences happen. they broke the law, not the probation officers, or the policemen who enforce the laws. Probation is much better than a 4x8 cell anyday. Get a job, get a life and do the right thing or go join the armed forces and make something out of your life.

This past Tuesday, a census worker came to my front door to inform me of the census to take place in 2010. She handed me a piece of paper that she said explained my privacy rights. I asked her if there is truly any personal privacy in this country...no answer from her.

that Second Ammendment doesn't say anything about abridging the right to bear arms being voided by felony convictions, and yet every state in the country has some restrictions - and for good reason, too! Another consequence of getting convicted for a crime, you give up some of the rights that others have. Gotta love the misinformation spread by the unknowing to the uncaring by way of the uninterested. Support the right to arm bears- make your next walk in the woods REALLY interesting!

Noobs wrote:

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That's called, "The Patriot Act". Oh, wait... but you all forgot the consequences of voting for George W. Bush... that's such a vague memory...

And YOU forgot that Dems voted FOR it and Obama has done NOTHING to make it weaker.

Yikes wrote:

I suspect it will go down something like this: People who hold the Constitution as the supreme law of the land will gripe about this and judges who respect it as such won't add this condition to probations. If a violent robber on probation gets caught with a gun in a warantless search, no one will care and the supporters of this legislation will get to say, "I told you so." Then, there will be an incident where a minor offender on unsupervised probation gets searched for absolutely no reason and the cop finds some sort of marijuana paraphernalia and the "convict" gets in trouble. When that happens to some rich kid, it will get national attention and go to the Supreme Court, which will hopefully rule it unconstitutional, completely eradicating North Carolina's bullcrap law.

Don't forget that Obama is appointing new Supreme Court Judges and it probably would not uphold the Constitution NOW, much less after he apoints someone.

not sure but wrote:

that Second Ammendment doesn't say anything about abridging the right to bear arms being voided by felony convictions, and yet every state in the country has some restrictions - and for good reason, too! Another consequence of getting convicted for a crime, you give up some of the rights that others have. Gotta love the misinformation spread by the unknowing to the uncaring by way of the uninterested. Support the right to arm bears- make your next walk in the woods REALLY interesting!

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The 2ND Amendment reads: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

It is my belief that the 2nd Amendment is the ONLY legal law concerning our RIGHTS as individuals to keep and bear arms in these United States. NO government federal, state, country, city, NO treaty with any other government, etc. has any right to make any law concerning arms. All citizens have the NATURAL right to protect themselves, family and property from all transgressors. Underline ALL citizens.

Warrantless searches. No smoking! Electronic eavesdropping. No farting between 4 and 10. Hybrid vehicles required. If work is within 2-4 miles, must walk. What's next? When to piss?

Fremont wrote:

The 4th Amendment reads: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Gee, I don't see EXCEPT if, you are a North Carolina probationer in the 4th Amendment. I think we need to follow the US Constitution. We have way too many un-constitution laws in this country now. Instead of coming up with more laws lets get rid of the un-constitution laws we have now.

Very good you can copy and paste. Try to interpret, reasonable. The person has the right to refuse. However it is a violation of his probation, a document that he agreed to. You don't want to be searched then man up and do your entire sentence and forgo early release. I was however moved by the words our constitution, thank you.

reread wrote:

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Very good you can copy and paste. Try to interpret, reasonable. The person has the right to refuse. However it is a violation of his probation, a document that he agreed to. You don't want to be searched then man up and do your entire sentence and forgo early release. I was however moved by the words our constitution, thank you.

I think you're missing a few prepositions or SOMEthing. Like "moved by the words our constitution", what the f!$! does that mean? I don't know. Try to make sense. It works well on forums.

Theres nothing in the constitution that states except if the probationer agrees to it in a document. As far as I am concern if, someone wants to search follow the Constitution and get a warrant, period.

When sentenced to probation, as a judgement of the court you as a individual are told in detail of the conditions and sign your name that you understand. You however don't have to sign and agree and can serve a sentence without probation, doing so would place you in jail. If you want probation it does not subject you to unreasonable searches, it is part of what you agree to. If you don't like that then just go to jail and deal with the searches there. If you commited a crime it is no one's fault but your own. I had probation, I gladly did it, I was ready to pee in a cup every visit. I was doing nothing wrong! I broke our laws and was being punished, I wasn't in jail, still working and supporting my family. My second probation officer was like me, he showed up to work early, I was usually the first person he saw, I had my pay stubs, full bladder, and invited him to my house anytime he wanted to come. Most POs don't deal with someone like me, they would like it if they did, I did wrong, wasn't his fault, it was mine. It has been a while since probation, my house has nothing illegal in it, I can still pass a drug test. For those that don't want to submit to the conditions of probation, take the sentence and go to jail, otherwise quit complaining.
There are good people who work in the probation office, I met one, he was hard working as I am, he was early on the job as I am, I was a easy case for him, I'm sure most of the rest of his day was not. Life is what you make of it, you can only blame yourself for what you do.

Fremont wrote:

The 4th Amendment reads: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Gee, I don't see EXCEPT if, you are a North Carolina probationer in the 4th Amendment. I think we need to follow the US Constitution. We have way too many un-constitution laws in this country now. Instead of coming up with more laws lets get rid of the un-constitution laws we have now.

Two idjits in a row -- Dizzbuster and you.

Our President has no authority for warrantless searches, and probationers give up some of their constituitonal rights in order to receive the benefits of probation. It's been that way for a long time: If the probationer wants to stay out of prison and be relatively free on probation, he agrees that he may be searched at any time.

Simple.

There's not one constitutional issue that flies in the face of the Bill of Rights with that.

So get over yourself.