Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#34080 May 5, 2012
Timbuk2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ask George Zimmerman about that. According to FL law. the man should not even be charged.
But let a hysterical media and race baiters get involved, and they guy is TOAST.
Has Zimmerman been convicted of ANYTHING Timbuck ? Isn't Zimmerman innocent until proven guilty ? Doesn't the burden to prove him guilty fall entirely on the prosecution ?

Somehow you equate being charged with a crime with being guilty Timbuck. As of now Zimmerman is as innocent as a baby and will remain so until PROVEN guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
A boy is dead, shot by a man and you seem to think that man should just walk away without any investigation or charge.

I have no idea what happened between Zimmerman and Martin and I suspect you do not know much more than I do, yet you want the shooter to walk. I want to know more. In the end I MAY agree with you....but NOBODY can be that sure given the evidence released to us so far.

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#34082 May 5, 2012
Benny wrote:
<quoted text>
That's (Dee Lay) Bull shit...the Bushite did that...not Obama.
http://youtu.be/ZbKwF36o3JA
Good News......More Govt employees are making in excess of $150,000 per year than ever before. Growing Big Brother/Big Union and increasing the horrific impact of unfunded tax slave funded Pensions will provide The Obama with quite a legacy.
Mobile-Amused

Kings Mountain, NC

#34084 May 5, 2012
Dee Lay wrote:
<quoted text>Good News......More Govt employees are making in excess of $150,000 per year than ever before. Growing Big Brother/Big Union and increasing the horrific impact of unfunded tax slave funded Pensions will provide The Obama with quite a legacy.
I wonder how many of those exist in the Department of Homeland Security...

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#34085 May 5, 2012
1) After the Bush administration tax cuts, there were 52 months of continuous job creation – TRUE

2) 52 months of job creation is the largest such period in American history - TRUE

MR. GILLESPIE: Well, my point was not wanting to go back to the math because the fact is, under the Bush tax cuts, we did have 52 months of–in uninterrupted job creation, longest in the history of the country…

According to both CBS News and FactCheck.org , jobs were created for an uninterrupted period of 52 months from August 2003 to December 2007, which was indeed a record for consecutive job growth in the U.S. But as FactCheck.org points out, looking only at this record could be misleading, for while it is indeed the longest consecutive period of job creation, the number of jobs created during that period was not especially large. 8.3 million jobs were added between August 2003 and December 2007, but over the course of the Clinton administration, for instance, 22.7 million jobs were added during a period when there were also seven months which included declines (thus making that growth non-continuous). Therefore it would be difficult to argue that this was either a period of particularly substantial job creation or that the record continuity of that creation was ultimately more significant. It’s also not clear what role the Bush tax cuts had to play with regards to the job creation rate.

1) Because Mr. Gillespie’s statement that there were 52 months of continuous job creation is technically true, we must rate it TRUE - but believe that the overall context is somewhat misleading.

2) We rate Mr. Gillespie’s statement that the 52 month growth period was the largest in American history TRUE.

http://meetthefacts.com/2010/07/14/fact-check ...

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#34086 May 5, 2012
The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel. On average, as of April 2012, state and local taxes add 31.1 cents to gasoline and 30.2 cents to diesel for a total US average fuel tax of 49.5 cents per gallon for gas and 54.6 cents per gallon for diesel.[1]

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#34087 May 5, 2012
Dunlapian wrote:
<quoted text>Your right, the do nothing Rich Republican Congress could care less about passing any jobs bill. The only thing they are interested in is to make sure President Obama is a one term president, no matter how much it hurts the people that put them in Congress.
Ummm...you are aware that the house has sent 45+ job bills to the senate and good old Harry has "sat" on every one of them with ZILCH action on ALL of them.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#34088 May 5, 2012
Dee Lay wrote:
1) After the Bush administration tax cuts, there were 52 months of continuous job creation – TRUE
2) 52 months of job creation is the largest such period in American history - TRUE
MR. GILLESPIE: Well, my point was not wanting to go back to the math because the fact is, under the Bush tax cuts, we did have 52 months of–in uninterrupted job creation, longest in the history of the country…
According to both CBS News and FactCheck.org , jobs were created for an uninterrupted period of 52 months from August 2003 to December 2007, which was indeed a record for consecutive job growth in the U.S. But as FactCheck.org points out, looking only at this record could be misleading, for while it is indeed the longest consecutive period of job creation, the number of jobs created during that period was not especially large. 8.3 million jobs were added between August 2003 and December 2007, but over the course of the Clinton administration, for instance, 22.7 million jobs were added during a period when there were also seven months which included declines (thus making that growth non-continuous). Therefore it would be difficult to argue that this was either a period of particularly substantial job creation or that the record continuity of that creation was ultimately more significant. It’s also not clear what role the Bush tax cuts had to play with regards to the job creation rate.
1) Because Mr. Gillespie’s statement that there were 52 months of continuous job creation is technically true, we must rate it TRUE - but believe that the overall context is somewhat misleading.
2) We rate Mr. Gillespie’s statement that the 52 month growth period was the largest in American history TRUE.
http://meetthefacts.com/2010/07/14/fact-check ...
Post this all you want Dee. It doesn't change the fact that the economy collapsed on "W"s watch. We all remember what happened no matter how much you try to make us forget. Obama has been like the men following the elephants in the parade....cleaning up the mess of crap left behind in their wake. Now you expect us to hand the economy to a candidate who promises to go back to the Bush policies that got us here in the first place. You may have that short a memory that you long for the good old days of George W. but I do not. Lots of spinning, are you dizzy yet ?? Chuckles.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#34089 May 5, 2012
Dee Lay wrote:
The United States federal excise tax on gasoline is 18.4 cents per gallon and 24.4 cents per gallon for diesel fuel. On average, as of April 2012, state and local taxes add 31.1 cents to gasoline and 30.2 cents to diesel for a total US average fuel tax of 49.5 cents per gallon for gas and 54.6 cents per gallon for diesel.[1]
Are these new figures since 2009?
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#34090 May 5, 2012
Exasperated1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummm...you are aware that the house has sent 45+ job bills to the senate and good old Harry has "sat" on every one of them with ZILCH action on ALL of them.
E1, those aren't jobs bills, no matter what anyone says and they were never designed to pass the Senate. These bills are homage to the tea party that has dominated the Republican majority in the house this cycle. Every Republican in the House knew without a doubt that those bills would never be taken up in the upper chamber as they were all unpalatable to Dems. They were designed that way, each with a poison pill that would end any chance of passage but still satisfy the right wing.
(Both parties engage in this behavior KNOWING this type of bill will never become law, this equates to good political theatre but terrible governance.)
Timbuk2

Jamestown, TN

#34091 May 5, 2012
Cradle to grave: The life of Julia

http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia

It starts with Julia at three:

Under President Obama: Julia is enrolled in a Head Start program to help get her ready for school. Because of steps President Obama has taken to improve programs like this one, Julia joins thousands of students across the country who will start kindergarten ready to learn and succeed.
Under Mitt Romney: The Romney/Ryan budget could cut programs like Head Start by 20%, meaning the program would offer 200,000 fewer slots per year.
Those mean old wepubwicans.

Now, we note a few things.

1. Julia is white.
2. Who said going to school at three is a good thing?
3. How did Julia escape the Obama supported Planned Parenthood Abortion machine?

Next we jump to age 17 – does that mean that there are no government free stuff from three to 17? How mean is that?

Under President Obama: Julia takes the SAT and is on track to start her college applications. Her high school is part of the Race to the Top program, implemented by President Obama. Their new college- and career-ready standards mean Julia can take the classes she needs to do well.
Under Mitt Romney: The Romney/Ryan budget would cut funding for public education to pay for tax cuts for millionaires.
God damn millionaires.

What they didn’t say is that Julia will probably do poorly on the SAT’s, having been promoted through her school years without being able to read, write – oh so 20 years ago, or add and subtract. But she’ll feel good about herself.

Things get really good at 18 –

Under President Obama: As she prepares for her first semester of college, Julia and her family qualify for President Obama's American Opportunity Tax Credit—worth up to $10,000 over four years. Julia is also one of millions of students who receive a Pell Grant to help put a college education within reach.
Under Mitt Romney: The American Opportunity Tax Credit would be allowed to expire, and Pell Grant funding would be slashed for 10 million students.

Unfortunately, Julia’s parents don’t qualify to the tax credit, because they were among the 29.7 million people unable to find a job under President Obama.

Uh, oh, at 22 she needs surgery
Under President Obama: During college, Julia undergoes surgery. It is thankfully covered by her insurance due to a provision in health care reform that lets her stay on her parents' coverage until she turns 26.
Under Mitt Romney: Health care reform would be repealed—Romney says he'd "kill it dead."
– most likely an abortion, but we won’t tell anyone that Julia’s a slut.

After her “surgery” she turns 23:

Under President Obama: Because of steps like the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, Julia is one of millions of women across the country who knows she'll always be able to stand up for her right to equal pay. She starts her career as a web designer.
Under Mitt Romney: He has refused to say whether he would have vetoed or signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

Starting pay for web designers is about $27K. She spent $120K of your tax money to get a job that pays $13 bucks an hour? She’d be better off having a kid and collecting welfare, food stamps, and section 8 housing.

At 25:
Under President Obama: After graduation, Julia's federal student loans are more manageable since President Obama capped income-based federal student loan payments and kept interest rates low. She makes her payments on time every month, keeping her on track to repay her student loans.
Under Mitt Romney: Under the Romney/Ryan budget, interest rates on federal student loans would be allowed to double, affecting Julia and 7.4 million other students.
What kinda drugs is this guy doing? At $13 bucks an hour, she’ll join the 9% of students who default.



Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#34092 May 5, 2012
Exasperated1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummm...you are aware that the house has sent 45+ job bills to the senate and good old Harry has "sat" on every one of them with ZILCH action on ALL of them.
Corporate tax cuts don't count as credible "jobs bills."

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#34093 May 5, 2012
Dee Lay wrote:
1) After the Bush administration tax cuts, there were 52 months of continuous job creation – TRUE
2) 52 months of job creation is the largest such period in American history - TRUE
MR. GILLESPIE: Well, my point was not wanting to go back to the math because the fact is, under the Bush tax cuts, we did have 52 months of–in uninterrupted job creation, longest in the history of the country…
According to both CBS News and FactCheck.org , jobs were created for an uninterrupted period of 52 months from August 2003 to December 2007, which was indeed a record for consecutive job growth in the U.S. But as FactCheck.org points out, looking only at this record could be misleading, for while it is indeed the longest consecutive period of job creation, the number of jobs created during that period was not especially large. 8.3 million jobs were added between August 2003 and December 2007, but over the course of the Clinton administration, for instance, 22.7 million jobs were added during a period when there were also seven months which included declines (thus making that growth non-continuous). Therefore it would be difficult to argue that this was either a period of particularly substantial job creation or that the record continuity of that creation was ultimately more significant. It’s also not clear what role the Bush tax cuts had to play with regards to the job creation rate.
1) Because Mr. Gillespie’s statement that there were 52 months of continuous job creation is technically true, we must rate it TRUE - but believe that the overall context is somewhat misleading.
2) We rate Mr. Gillespie’s statement that the 52 month growth period was the largest in American history TRUE.
http://meetthefacts.com/2010/07/14/fact-check ...
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Republican strategy is as easy as shampooing one's hair.
Overtaxed

Thorn Hill, TN

#34094 May 5, 2012
Dee Lay wrote:
<quoted text>Good News......More Govt employees are making in excess of $150,000 per year than ever before. Growing Big Brother/Big Union and increasing the horrific impact of unfunded tax slave funded Pensions will provide The Obama with quite a legacy.
I am happy SOMEONE has gotten a raise in this country. The policies your chosen party has enacted have seen to it that a lot of folks who once had some disposable income are now on food stamps and a lot of middle class have joind the ranks of the working poor....waiting for all of that great prosperity to trickle down to them.

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#34095 May 5, 2012
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>Are these new figures since 2009?
Since April 2012

“"U.S. Constitution"”

Since: Mar 09

Tea-Party

#34096 May 5, 2012
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
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Republican strategy is as easy as shampooing one's hair.
Can't dispute Factcheck....hummmm

I do not care for Obama`s ideology.He seems to be a nice persom,but in over his head in a capitalistic society when he desires sociolism.

His coment about the death oOBL has been made into a publicity up roar,when all he should have said is"what heros the seals are",and quit.

There is much to be said to remove all the dead heads in Congress.Remove Obama from the Presidency.Next election we do need what Obama promised us in his speach of change .We just got the wrong change.

Bring in new blood into congress and the Presidency come election time.Both Parties have become too imbedded in money collection,keeping their job,to do what is good for the Country and only do a party line to keep their jobs.
Timbuk2

Jamestown, TN

#34097 May 5, 2012
Julia is growing up. At 27:

Under President Obama: For the past four years, Julia has worked full-time as a web designer. Thanks to Obamacare, her health insurance is required to cover birth control and preventive care, letting Julia focus on her work rather than worry about her health.
Under Mitt Romney: Romney supports the Blunt Amendment—which would place Julia's health care decisions in the hands of her employer—and repealing health care reform so insurance companies could go back to charging women 50% more than men.
Toldya she was a slut. And if she gets knocked up, Obamacare will pay to scrape the zygote out. So she can focus on her career.

At 31, she’s found a suitable sperm donor:
Under President Obama: Julia decides to have a child. Throughout her pregnancy, she benefits from maternal checkups, prenatal care, and free screenings under health care reform.
Under Mitt Romney: Health care reform would be repealed.
Note there’s no mention of getting married.

Now she’s 37, and definitely getting chunkier. Eating too much fried foods, and not working out. But
Under President Obama: Julia's son Zachary starts kindergarten. The public schools in their neighborhood have better facilities and great teachers because of President Obama's investments in education and programs like Race to the Top.
Under Mitt Romney: The Romney/Ryan budget could force steep cuts in federal funding for schools in all 50 states.
We note:

1. Who the hell names a kid Zachary?
2. Apparently Romeny got elected, since Zachary didn’t get to go to the Head Start program at three like Mommy.
3. Where did the great teachers come from? How come we can’t find them now? Romney must have abolished the NEA.

We move on to 42:

Under President Obama: Julia starts her own web business. She qualifies for a Small Business Administration loan, giving her the money she needs to invest in her business. President Obama's tax cuts for small businesses like Julia's help her to get started. She's able to hire employees, creating new jobs in her town and helping to grow the local economy.
Under Mitt Romney: The Romney/Ryan budget could cut programs like the Small Business Administration by 20%.
No One qualifies for a Small Business Admin loan for a startup. Who the hell do they thing they’re kidding? And it’ll be five years before her business grows to the point of hiring. If she makes it. Sixty five percent of small businesses close within two years. Then Julia will be in big trouble, since she won’t qualify for unemployment.

It’s also interesting to note, that her business is a service. No union employees here.

Next we jump to 65:
Under President Obama: Julia enrolls in Medicare, helping her to afford preventive care and the prescription drugs she needs.
Under Mitt Romney: Medicare could end as we know it, leaving Julia with nothing but a voucher to buy insurance coverage, which means $6,350 extra per year for a similar plan.
They forgot to mention that Medicare only covers 80% of the bills. Julia will need a “supplemental” insurance policy to cover the balance. Julia has a stroke when she’s told that the premium will be $350 per month to cover 100% of the bills.

At 67:
Under President Obama: Julia retires. After years of contributing to Social Security, she receives monthly benefits that help her retire comfortably, without worrying that she'll run out of savings. This allows her to volunteer at a community garden.
Under Mitt Romney: Julia's benefits could be cut by 40%.

Um, what happened to retiring at 65? Did something change? Oh, yeah we still have Obama. And who can afford to retire on Social Security, especially given that she’ll have to fork over $350 per month for her supplemental insurance?

Notably missing are long term care costs when she gets cancer, and free funeral costs.

http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia
Timbuk2

Jamestown, TN

#34098 May 5, 2012
The Original Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Corporate tax cuts don't count as credible "jobs bills."
Hey! I know. Let's invest in alternative energy companies. That'll create jobs.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#34099 May 5, 2012
Dee Lay wrote:
<quoted text>Can't dispute Factcheck....hummmm
I do not care for Obama`s ideology.He seems to be a nice persom,but in over his head in a capitalistic society when he desires sociolism.
His coment about the death oOBL has been made into a publicity up roar,when all he should have said is"what heros the seals are",and quit.
There is much to be said to remove all the dead heads in Congress.Remove Obama from the Presidency.Next election we do need what Obama promised us in his speach of change .We just got the wrong change.
Bring in new blood into congress and the Presidency come election time.Both Parties have become too imbedded in money collection,keeping their job,to do what is good for the Country and only do a party line to keep their jobs.
Ha ha ha ha ha, Dee Dee just bemoaned partisanship. Priceless.

Do you think a Republican wouldn't boast (during a campaign season) of his accomplishment of finally bringing bin Laden to justice? Really?

By the way, what was the actual claim that you fact checked? You simply posted a somewhat out of context excerpt from factcheck.org without alluding to the "fact" that was "checked."

Yes, jobs were created...initially. That is not disputed. What is being left out, however, is the number of those jobs that was eventually lost the next year(s).

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#34100 May 5, 2012
Tax Returns: A Comprehensive Assessment of the Bush Administration's Record on Cutting Taxes

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm...

The Bush tax cuts have contributed to revenues dropping in 2004 to the lowest level as a share of the economy since 1950, and have been a major contributor to the dramatic shift from large projected budget surpluses to projected deficits as far as the eye can see.

The tax cuts have conferred the most benefits, by far, on the highest-income households — those least in need of additional resources — at a time when income already is exceptionally concentrated at the top of the income spectrum.

The design of these tax cuts was ill-conceived, resulting in significantly less economic stimulus than could have been accomplished for the same budgetary cost. In part because the tax cuts were not as effective as alternative measures would have been, job creation during this recovery has been notably worse than in any other recovery since the end of World War II.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#34101 May 5, 2012
From the same report...

For three years, the Administration has been claiming its tax cuts would boost employment. But for three years, actual job growth has fallen far short of Administration expectations. For example, since the summer of 2003, the Economic Policy Institute has been comparing actual job growth to the amount of job growth the Administration predicted would occur with the passage of the 2003 tax-cut bill. The Administration predicted that with the passage of the tax-cut measure, 5.5 million jobs would be created in the 18 months from June 2003 through December 2004. In the first nine months of this 18-month period, a relatively modest 689,000 jobs were created, just 13 percent of the Administration’s projection.

Job growth during this recovery might have lagged behind that of previous recoveries even if the recent economic policies had been better designed. Nonetheless, the exceptionally poor job growth of recent years suggests the Administration’s tax cuts have largely failed to accomplish one of its stated policy goals. The inefficiency of the tax cuts when it came to providing short-term stimulus makes this failure less surprising.

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