Hundreds of birds die in western Ky.

Real Ancient Wolf wrote:

Good (unless it is extraordinarly good) is just not newsworthy and the "squeaky wheel gets the grease". The slightest thing that is or appears evil gets all the attention.
You are traveling down the highway and have a flat tire. You rant over that "evil" tire that went flat, but do not sing the praises of the 3 others that remained inflated and doing their job.
I think that all things being equal, most people will choose to do what is right and good. These were once tagged "The Silent Majority".

Honestly enjoyed reading that.

End Her Bell wrote:

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it SURELY is. Should we talk about the Palestinian issue? or the Israeli war mongering against Iran? or 9/11 truth? or perhaps the intentional Israeli attack on the USS Liberty? Where should we start?

My opinions would SURELY vary on the various different fronts. It can't be denied Israel is surrounded by certain enemies. And should those enemies achieve destruction of Isreal, then a large segment of the world has serious problems. I would not apply my earlier statement to Israel only.

Hellbender wrote:

<quoted text>My opinions would SURELY vary on the various different fronts. It can't be denied Israel is surrounded by certain enemies. And should those enemies achieve destruction of Isreal, then a large segment of the world has serious problems. I would not apply my earlier statement to Israel only.

Israel is surrounded by enemies because she was put there illegally by force. Why should the removal of Israel cause serious problems for a large segment of the world? I think there would be peace if the state of Israel ceased to exist, they are the bullies of the region and are the ones responsible for the conflict and instability.

End Her Bell wrote:

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Israel is surrounded by enemies because she was put there illegally by force. Why should the removal of Israel cause serious problems for a large segment of the world? I think there would be peace if the state of Israel ceased to exist, they are the bullies of the region and are the ones responsible for the conflict and instability.

You mean the region was always peaceful til Israel came along?!

End Her Bell wrote:

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Israel is surrounded by enemies because she was put there illegally by force. Why should the removal of Israel cause serious problems for a large segment of the world? I think there would be peace if the state of Israel ceased to exist, they are the bullies of the region and are the ones responsible for the conflict and instability.

I believe if you check the history of mideast conflicts in the 20th century, you would find Israel involved in a very small percentage of them.

Hellbender wrote:

<quoted text>I believe if you check the history of mideast conflicts in the 20th century, you would find Israel involved in a very small percentage of them.

Ever since the establishment of the state of Israel it has been non-stop conflict in the Middle East. And for some reason the US feels compelled to defend Israel when in fact Israel is an illegally established state and continues to expand her borders illegally into previously agreed upon Palestinian territories.

Hellbender wrote:

<quoted text>You mean the region was always peaceful til Israel came along?!

It got MUCH worse since the state of Israel was established.

bird sh88 on my window today.

Hellbender wrote:

<quoted text>You mean the region was always peaceful til Israel came along?!

http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/khazars.htm
What Right Do Zionist Jews Have To Palestine?

What title-deeds do the Jews of today actually have to the land of 'Israel'? The idea that a people can possess some kind of ethnic ancestral right to a territory supposedly vacated by their forebears some millenia previously, implying a right in perpetuity, can have no legal basis. Or otherwise Americans of European ancestry, to name just one group of people, will have to pack their bags.

According to Dr Alfred Lilienthal in his book The Zionist Connection, "The Jewish population of Palestine [what is now Israel and the occupied territories, the West Bank and Gaza] at the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917 was a mere 7 percent of the 700,000 inhabitants. The rest were Muslim and Christian Arabs. At the time of the (US-dominated UN) partition vote in 1947 there were only 650,000 Jews in Palestine while there were 1.3 million indigenous Palestinian Arabs, either Christian or Muslim. Under the partition plan, 56% of Palestine was given for a Zionist state to people who constituted 33% of the population and owned about 6% of the land. These UN figures have never been in dispute."

But there is a further issue, which also (yet again!) demonstrates the fundamentally questionable foundations of Zionism.

Jews are actually not even the modern descendents of the Israel of the Biblical Old Testament:

According to both the early-20th-century popular historian H.G.Wells and the Hungarian-Jewish intellectual and author Arthur Koestler, amongst numerous others, the people known today as Jews are primarily the descendents of a Turkish tribe known as the Khazars. The Khazars have no historical connection to Palestine. They converted to Judaism between 620 and 740AD, and have no genetic connection to biblical Israel, and hence to the narratives of the Bible and the "Holy Land". Koestler actually devoted an entire book called The Thirteenth Tribe (1976)[ZIP file, 471 KB] to the fact that the Jews of eastern European origin, who are known as the Ashkenazi Jews and who make up about 95% of the Jewish population of today, are of Khazar origin. In other words — virtually all of the Jews of the modern world have no Hebrew ancestry, and no ancient connection with Palestine.

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Arthur Koestler was by no means the first to draw attention to this particular issue. He quotes from 20th-century works on the subject by, amongst others, Professors A.N.Poliak of Tel Aviv University, D.M. Dunlop of Columbia University in New York, and J.B. Bury of Cambridge University. The courageous Jewish anti-Zionist commentator Dr Alfred Lilienthal raised the issue 50 years ago and has continued to do so for decades. In fact, the famous H.G.Wells in the early 1920s in his popular Outline of History described the Jews as "a Turkish people" and stated that "[to the] Jewish Khazars ... are to be ascribed the great settlements of Jews in Poland and Russia" (Chap. XXXII:8) and "The main part of Jewry never was in Judea, and never came out of Judea" (XXIX:1).

Lord Moyne, the British secretary of state in Cairo, declared on June 9, 1942, in the House of Lords that the Jews were not the descendants of the ancient Hebrews and that they had no "legitimate claim" on the Holy Land. A proponent of curtailing immigration into Palestine, he was accused of being "an implacable enemy of Hebrew independence." (Isaac Zaar, Rescue and Liberation: America's Part in the Birth of Israel, New York: Bloch, 1954, p. 115).

On November 6, 1944, Lord Moyne was assassinated in Cairo by two members of the Stern Gang led by Yitzak Shamir, latter to become premier of Israel.(This assassination was not unique in the history of Zionism. In September 1948 Count Folke Bernadotte, appointed by the UN as mediator between the Zionist settlers in Palestine and the native Palestinians, was murdered on orders from the same Yitzhak Shamir. Count Bernadotte was the head of the Swedish Red Cross and had risked his life to save thousands of Jews from German concentration camps. This set a precedent and encouragement for the Zionist use of assassination as a convenient political instrument, which the US and European governments have in effect condoned since then.)

Much old documentary evidence exists on the subject of the Khazars dating from the ninth and tenth centuries and earlier — from Arab, Byzantine, Hebrew, Russian and other sources. The conversion of the Khazars to Judaism is described in the so-called 'Khazar Correspondence' dating from the tenth century between Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, the Jewish chief minister of the Caliph of Cordoba in Spain, and Joseph, the king of the Khazars. In this the king traces the ancestry of his people not to Shem, father of the Semites, but to Japheth, Noah's third son. The Book of Genesis (10:2,3) itself also describes Ashkenaz as a descendent of Japheth, rather than Shem. In other words, the Jews are not a Semitic people, but their contempt for the Arab world and their bitter and violent war of dispossession against the Palestinian Arabs could be termed anti-Semitic.

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The Khazars were formerly well known as a powerful people who, at their peak,'controlled or exacted tribute from some 30 different nations and tribes'(Koestler), and were the supreme masters of the southern half of eastern Europe for more than a century. The Caspian Sea is still known today in Arabic as Bahr-ul-Khazar,'the Khazar Sea'. These people controlled trade on the Dnieper, the Don and Volga Rivers between the Swedish Vikings, known as the Rus (the founders of Russia) in the north, and Byzantium-Constantinople (capital of the Eastern Roman Empire), Persia and Arabia in the south. The extent of trade along these rivers is indicated by the very large number of Arab coins, approximately 50,000 found, strangely enough, in Sweden and dating from Viking times.
After their conversion to 'Judaism', a religion based primarily on the teachings of the Pharisees and the Talmud, the Khazars adopted circumcision and became known as the 'Jewish Khazars' and then later simply as 'Jews'. Before the conversion, the 'Jewish' population of the entire region was sparse; afterwards, understandably, it suddenly became large. Writing in the 10th century, the Muslim chronicler Muqaddasi says 'In Khazaria, sheep, honey and Jews exist in large quantities'(Koestler p. 43).
After being defeated by the Rus around 965 AD, the power of the Khazars waned, and a gradual migration commenced westwards and northwestwards into Eastern Europe — the Ukraine, Hungary, Poland and Lithuania. Koestler shows that Yiddish (the former Jewish lingua franca of eastern Europe which is classed as a German dialect) developed not in Germany but in Poland as an amalgam of German, Hebrew and Slavonic (Russian and Polish)— the strong German basis of the language being the result of the German social and cultural prominence in the main cities of Poland in medieval times (Koestler Chapt. VII:3). Hebrew itself was only used for liturgical and rabbinic-scholastic purposes, not for everyday communication. No archaeological or other evidence exists of the use in biblical times of the six-pointed 'star of David', the emblem of the Ashkenazi Jews and the Israeli state, and the yarmulke, the skullcap worn by Jewish males, likewise has no biblical foundation. So neither the use of Hebrew nor the star of David nor the wearing of the yarmulke indicate any historical connection with the territory. Koestler says: "The historical evidence ... indicates that the bulk of Eastern Jewry — and hence of world Jewry — is of Khazar-Turkish, rather than Semitic, origin".

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This of course poses various interesting questions on many issues, including that of the violent and manipulative Jewish takeover of Palestine during the last century. The reason these questions are not asked is that the story of the Khazar conversion is generally so little known. The academic, church and media establishments generally have shown no interest in correcting such an awkward and fundamental misperception, the source of so much suffering and spilt blood. They consider the issue to be unimportant or potentially dangerous in spite of the shocking human-rights outrages that the mainly Khazar-descended 'Israelis' and their Khazar-descended international Zionist supporters have perpetrated against the native people in Palestine over the last century.
Is there any doubt about the issue?
The British journalist Douglas Reed, former chief Central European correspondent of the Times, in 1950 wrote "The Eastern European Zionists are not Semites (though the Arabs are), have no semitic blood, and their remote forefathers never trod Palestinian earth."
Mr Benjamin Freedman, a Jewish industrialist born in New York, wrote in the Economic Council Letter published there of October 15 1947: "These Eastern European Jews have neither a racial nor a historic connection with Palestine. Their ancestors were not inhabitants of the Promised Land. They are the direct descendants of the people of the Khazar Kingdom. The Khazars were a non-semitic, Turko-Mongolian tribe."
Mr Freedman was challenged, unwisely, by a Zionist objector. He invited his challenger to go with him to the Jewish Room of the New York Public Library. There they could together examine the Jewish Encyclopaedia volume I pp. 1-12, and the published works of Graetz, Dubnow, Friedlander, Raisin and many other noted Jewish historians, which, as well as other non-Jewish authorities, "establish the fact beyond all possible doubt." (Somewhere South of Suez, 1950, pp. 349-350.)
If the Khazar account is untrue, we can be sure that a swift and comprehensive rebuttal would have followed Koestler's book and Lilienthal's long-standing allegations, let alone those of H.G.Wells. Can anyone name the book or books in which such a rebuttal appeared?
To confuse the Jews of today with the Hebrews of the Bible is like believing that the Cherokee 'Indians' not only follow the Hindu religion but will eventually return in triumph to the valley of the sacred Ganges.

Hellbender wrote:

<quoted text>I believe if you check the history of mideast conflicts in the 20th century, you would find Israel involved in a very small percentage of them.

You need to do a little more historical research. Maybe the link I posted might help you get started.

Wow, what a bunch of nonsense this troll fest brings while they keep the thread they hate so much at the top of their forum. Enjoyed a cookout, graduation belated cookout and then watched a good movie with my son and his girlfriend. Contraband with Mark Wahlberg and Kate Beckinsale. Good flick. Love his brother in Bluebloods too, but not as much as Tom Selleck.

Hello, Ancient Wolf, great post. Hempburn, you really burn ole fartman up don't you? hahaha Enjoy your coffee and read.

namechanger, you are killing me with the comebacks, I notice when you put questions to them they all disappear, how funny. Great posts, keep it up.

Hellbender, love your input on the bird thread. Especially your picnic posts. That is truly what it has become minus the troll fest. Great post.

Any regulars I passed over scrolling over the bullcrap I hope you had a great day and got a little rain like we did up here. It was great for the flowers and gardens. Grass looks great too, expect that to end if we start moving in to the real heat...90's next week. Whew, and a hot Memorial Weekend. Hope yours includes water like mine. AC, BBQs and poolside for me except when we go honor our military at the Veteran's Cemetery like we do every year. Have a terrific Tuesday.

5,4,3,2,1,....ding, ding, ding, regular alert...here come the trolls.

Hempburn, in case you missed the eclipse, like I did, this is a good view. hahaha I thought it was better than nothing.

Annular Solar Eclipse May 20, 2012 700 pictures through a Coronado Solar Max 60 Double Stack telescope were used to make this video.

http://hp-notebook.us.msn.com/

Meant to post this one too.

May 2012 Annular Solar Eclipse in Photos

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/245711-May-...

Earthquakes...

At least 7 dead after quake rocks northern Italy

STORY HIGHLIGHTS:
NEW: Italian PM cuts short NATO summit trip after earthquake
At least seven dead, 50 injured in northern Italy quake
A large number of people have been displaced, authorities say

The USGS says the magnitude was 6.0

Rome (CNN)-- Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti is heading home early from the NATO summit in Chicago after a strong earthquake struck near Bologna overnight, his government announced Sunday.

At least seven people died, 50 were hurt and a large number displaced by the magnitude 6.0 quake that struck northern Italy early Sunday. In a statement released earlier, Monti pledged "All that is necessary will be done as soon as possible" to help the survivors.

The prime minister is scheduled to leave the summit Sunday evening Chicago time and would be back in Italy on Monday, government spokesman Carmelo Dragotta said. In a statement carried by the news agency ANSA, Monti said his foreign and defense ministers would remain at the summit.

The quake struck about 4 a.m. Sunday (10 p.m. Saturday ET) and was centered about 4 kilometers (2.4 miles) outside Camposanto, northwest of Bologna, the U.S. Geological Survey reported. In addition to the deaths and injuries, a large but unknown number of people -- believed to be in the thousands -- have been displaced, said Elisabetta Maffani, a spokeswoman for the civil protection agency.

iReport: Watch the earthquake aftermath unfold
The fatalities included two people killed in a ceramics factory in Sant'Agostino di Ferrara, about 30 km from the epicenter, Maffani said. Another person died when a work shed collapsed in nearby Ponte Rodoni di Bondeno.

A woman in Bologna died of a heart attack during an evacuation, a Moroccan national died when the factory he was working in collapsed and a sixth victim was found dead under rubble in Sant'Agostino, Maffani said. The body of a seventh victim was located under a collapsed house, according to Alessio Bellodi of the civil protection branch in Bologna.

Workers were still digging through rubble in hopes of finding survivors in Sant'Agostino, where the quake knocked down a church bell. And the civil protection agency said it expects to get more reports of injuries as rescue workers make their way to remote villages in the mountainous area.

The same area was struck by a 5.3-magnitude quake in January. And a 6.3-magnitude earthquake struck near the central Italian city of L'Aquila, more than 400 km to the south, in 2009, killing more than 300 and causing widespread destruction.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/20/world/europe/it...

USGS: Earthquake Magnitude 6.0 - Off The East Coast of Honshu, Japan

Date-Time:
Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 07:19:55 UTC

Sunday, May 20, 2012 at 05:19:55 PM at epicenter

Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location:
39.597°N, 143.242°E

Depth:
10 km (6.2 miles)

Region:
OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN

Distances:
179 km (111 miles) E of Morioka, Honshu, Japan

181 km (112 miles) SE of Hachinohe, Honshu, Japan

251 km (155 miles) ESE of Aomori, Honshu, Japan

532 km (330 miles) NE of TOKYO, Japan

Location Uncertainty:
horizontal +/- 14.9 km (9.3 miles); depth +/- 4.1 km (2.5 miles)

Parameters:
NST=407, Nph=407, Dmin=269.4 km, Rmss=0.84 sec, Gp= 32°, M-type=regional moment magnitude (Mw), Version=9

Source:
Magnitude: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)
Location: USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/245674-USGS...

Too tired to post it last night. Whole lot a shaking going on...

dead birds where wrote:

What topic is this???

Well about fifty thousand posts ago it started out about the dieing birds. Then it change to be a personal chit chat club for a select few. And right now due to trying to change it back to the dead bird forum, it has become a troll convention. Damn just where is the Troll Satan? Damn I like him better that this bunch..

And here is make believer again, with her Cod Vine Reports....