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...but VT will have the last laugh

Vt. board has the power
Future of Vermont Yankee a question after judge’s ruling
Sat Jan 28, 2012.
By Kyle Jarvis Sentinel Staf

"Parenteau said the state does have loopholes it could try to exploit in the decision if it decides to appeal.

He said the emerging consensus among his colleagues is that Murtha erred in part of his decision ordering that state officials cannot require Vermont Yankee to sell power in-state at below-market rates.

“Many of them are saying he’s dead wrong on that,” Parenteau said.“And that if the state appeals, they should appeal on that count versus appealing the issue of (federal) preemption.”

Parenteau said the state has other options about Vermont Yankee’s continued operation.

“The state can make a determination on Vermont Yankee having to go to ‘closed-cycle cooling,’ which means they’d have to run the cooling towers all the time, every day,” he said.“Entergy has estimated that would cost them over $1 million a day. But the state has the authority to do so under the Clean Water Act, and if they do say,‘we want you to go closed-cycle,’ it ups the ante.”

Entergy could decide to shut Vermont Yankee down rather than incur those costs, Parenteau said.

Parenteau said he envisions “a lot of jockeying, posturing, and positioning” still to come, and suggested “we are a long way from knowing what’s going to (ultimately) happen.”
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More Parenteau environmental arrogance. The same kind of arrogance that got Sorrel and Shumlin in trouble. None of these arguments would prevail.

The radical enviros like Parenteau are used to tangling with businesses that don't have the green to battle it out and so cave or compromise when specious arguments like Parenteau is suggesting are made because the cost of battling it out is too high. Entergy won't fold.

Parenteau has been a left wing enviro so long he has lost his perspective on reality.

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Entergy LA VTEP Topix rep wrote:
More Parenteau environmental arrogance. The same kind of arrogance that got Sorrel and Shumlin in trouble. None of these arguments would prevail.
The radical enviros like Parenteau are used to tangling with businesses that don't have the green to battle it out and so cave or compromise when specious arguments like Parenteau is suggesting are made because the cost of battling it out is too high. Entergy won't fold.
Parenteau has been a left wing enviro so long he has lost his perspective on reality.
More Entergy Louisiana arrogance. Same kind of arrogance that has gotten Entergy in trouble as well as fighting lawsuits everywhere they are located. Same sh*t-diffent day.

UPDATE 2-Entergy cooperating in DOJ probe of utilities
Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:03pm EDT

* Justice Dept looking at utilities in four states

* Investigation covers wide range of utility operations

By Eileen O'Grady

HOUSTON, Oct 12 (Reuters)- Utility owner Entergy Corp (ETR.N) said on Tuesday it is cooperating with a U.S. Department of Justice civil investigation into the company's competitive practices.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/12/uti...

Entergy found to have overcharged customers
POSTED: 02:01 PM Monday, December 13, 2010
BY: The Associated Press

BATON ROUGE — A federal regulatory judge has ruled that electric utility Entergy Corp. overcharged customers in four states by selling higher priced power to its own subsidiaries.
http://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2010/1...

Entergy's criminal behavior goes way back:
ENTERGY LOUISIANA, INC. v. LOUISIANA PUBLIC SERVICE COMM.

David W. Carpenter
(Argued the cause for the petitioner)
Austin C. Schlick
(Department of Justice, argued the cause for the United States, as amicus curiae, supporting the petitioner)
Michael R. Fontham

Several Louisiana cotton gins sued Entergy, an electric utility company, because it had over-billed them for electricity between 1988 and 1994. The gins claimed that Entergy had failed to notify them of a lower rate that would have saved them more than $2 million over the six-year period.
http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2002/2002...
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Entergy might cave, after all they got the big fish, a federal court case saying the states aren't worth shit over anything nuclear power.
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For the last time, Entergy already won in Vermont Environmental Court over heat addition to the CT river.

Yes, you can find many lawsuits against Entergy. You can also find many lawsuits naming every corporation in this country.

Did you not notice that Entergy won the last case you linked?

Well Done!
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As far as the PSB, Vermont has some of the most expensive electricity of any state, the PSB don't stand for protection of its people.
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Mike Mulligan wrote:
Entergy might cave, after all they got the big fish, a federal court case saying the states aren't worth shit over anything nuclear power.
This could be true Mike. When Entergy went to court is was over much more than one single station, they were fighting for all nuclear power plants in the USA right to continue generating electricity. This is why so much money from special interest groups poured into the battle. Now they have packed up and moved on to Indian Point NY. Entergy is now free to decide solely on a business perspective whether Vermont Yankee should be closed at any time between March 2012 and 2032. But isn't that a businesses operating in the USA prerogative? I f the state makes it too expensive to do business here, they will close the plant. If they are able to make enough of a profit, they will stay open.

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Just the TRUTH Please wrote:
For the last time, Entergy already won in Vermont Environmental Court over heat addition to the CT river.
Yes, you can find many lawsuits against Entergy. You can also find many lawsuits naming every corporation in this country.
Did you not notice that Entergy won the last case you linked?
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My my, the lying sos rides again. Uh, no. Entergy didn't win sh*t. Prove it or wire it shut fool.

Fact:
You have a right to your own opinion but not your own facts.

VT nor any other state has to allow river water temp to be exceeded by 1 degree. I should think you would have brains enough to at least recognize it wouldn't be an issue w/o some facts. I suggest you do a little research, we've been over this before. Sorry you're still too dumb to get it. Kindly get your facts straight dummy.
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My my, the lying sos rides again. Uh, no. Entergy didn't win sh*t. Prove it or wire it shut fool.
Fact:
You have a right to your own opinion but not your own facts.
VT nor any other state has to allow river water temp to be exceeded by 1 degree. I should think you would have brains enough to at least recognize it wouldn't be an issue w/o some facts. I suggest you do a little research, we've been over this before. Sorry you're still too dumb to get it. Kindly get your facts straight dummy.
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I guess the fact that VY just handed the state of VT and Gov. Dumblin their assess in federal court really unhinged you. No loss since it's not like you were mentally stable before the decision anyways.

http://nsglc.olemiss.edu/SandBar/SandBar9/9.1...

"In 2003, Entergy sought a variance to its permit, which would allow it to increase thermal discharge. The Vermont Agency of Natural Resources (ANR) issued an amended NPDES discharge permit allowing Entergy to increase thermal discharge and raise the temperature of the Connecticut River by one degree from July 8 through October 14."

"The Vermont Supreme Court affirmed ANR’s decision to grant Entergy a variance, but reversed the Environmental Court’s additional conditions. Entergy hailed the decision a victory, insisting the variance request was based on scientific, peer-reviewed data and that the company is a responsible steward of the river"

The state may well try to limit VY's thermal input into the river in the future and I look forward to Gov. Dumblin and his lickspittle Sorrell getting the asses handed to them yet again. They better get moving though since Dumblin is going to be a one term governor.
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More Entergy Louisiana arrogance. Same kind of arrogance that has gotten Entergy in trouble as well as fighting lawsuits everywhere they are located. Same sh*t-diffent day.
UPDATE 2-Entergy cooperating in DOJ probe of utilities
Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:03pm EDT
* Justice Dept looking at utilities in four states
* Investigation covers wide range of utility operations
By Eileen O'Grady
HOUSTON, Oct 12 (Reuters)- Utility owner Entergy Corp (ETR.N) said on Tuesday it is cooperating with a U.S. Department of Justice civil investigation into the company's competitive practices.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/12/uti...
Entergy found to have overcharged customers
POSTED: 02:01 PM Monday, December 13, 2010
BY: The Associated Press
BATON ROUGE — A federal regulatory judge has ruled that electric utility Entergy Corp. overcharged customers in four states by selling higher priced power to its own subsidiaries.
http://neworleanscitybusiness.com/blog/2010/1...
Entergy's criminal behavior goes way back:
ENTERGY LOUISIANA, INC. v. LOUISIANA PUBLIC SERVICE COMM.
David W. Carpenter
(Argued the cause for the petitioner)
Austin C. Schlick
(Department of Justice, argued the cause for the United States, as amicus curiae, supporting the petitioner)
Michael R. Fontham
Several Louisiana cotton gins sued Entergy, an electric utility company, because it had over-billed them for electricity between 1988 and 1994. The gins claimed that Entergy had failed to notify them of a lower rate that would have saved them more than $2 million over the six-year period.
http://www.oyez.org/cases/2000-2009/2002/2002...
Before the presidential election is done Obama will propose a program for the development of new nuclear power.

Yes Entergy is arrogant. And they can back it up. Just like every powerful entity in the US. The trouble with Vermont is they are arrogant but lack the talent to back it up. Shumlin and Sorrel couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
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As far as the PSB, Vermont has some of the most expensive electricity of any state, the PSB don't stand for protection of its people.
It isn't the PSB. It is the legislature which keeps foisting unreasonable requirements on utilities in Vermont. Like the SPEED program for alternative energy. The rest of the country is bailing on future alternative energy but here in Vermont we actually think it will work.

The SPEED program will add $8 to $15 per month to a residential electric bill. It is a hidden tax and will never result in cheap alternative energy.

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I guess the fact that VY just handed the state of VT and Gov. Dumblin their assess in federal court really unhinged you. No loss since it's not like you were mentally stable before the decision anyways.
http://nsglc.olemiss.edu/SandBar/SandBar9/9.1...
"In 2003, Entergy sought a variance to its permit, which would allow it to increase thermal discharge. The Vermont Agency of Natural Resources (ANR) issued an amended NPDES discharge permit allowing Entergy to increase thermal discharge and raise the temperature of the Connecticut River by one degree from July 8 through October 14."
"The Vermont Supreme Court affirmed ANR’s decision to grant Entergy a variance, but reversed the Environmental Court’s additional conditions. Entergy hailed the decision a victory, insisting the variance request was based on scientific, peer-reviewed data and that the company is a responsible steward of the river"
The state may well try to limit VY's thermal input into the river in the future and I look forward to Gov. Dumblin and his lickspittle Sorrell getting the asses handed to them yet again. They better get moving though since Dumblin is going to be a one term governor.
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My my, the lying sos rides again. Uh, no. Entergy didn't win sh*t. Prove it or wire it shut fool.

Fact:
You have a right to your own opinion but not your own facts.

VT nor any other state has to allow river water temp to be exceeded by 1 degree. I should think you would have brains enough to at least recognize it wouldn't be an issue w/o some facts. I suggest you do a little research, we've been over this before. Sorry you're still too dumb to get it. Kindly get your facts straight dummy.
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My my, the lying sos rides again. Uh, no. Entergy didn't win sh*t. Prove it or wire it shut fool.
Fact:
You have a right to your own opinion but not your own facts.
VT nor any other state has to allow river water temp to be exceeded by 1 degree. I should think you would have brains enough to at least recognize it wouldn't be an issue w/o some facts. I suggest you do a little research, we've been over this before. Sorry you're still too dumb to get it. Kindly get your facts straight dummy.
Yes they do have to allow it. To not allow it would be an unreasonable taking under the due process clause of the US Constitution 14th amendment. That clause requires States to be reasonable in any requirements they make and the denial over 1degree of temperature would not be reasnonable. Especially since it has already been approved in the past here and just about everywhere else in the US.

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Yes they do have to allow it. To not allow it would be an unreasonable taking under the due process clause of the US Constitution 14th amendment. That clause requires States to be reasonable in any requirements they make and the denial over 1degree of temperature would not be reasnonable. Especially since it has already been approved in the past here and just about everywhere else in the US.
Reasonable in its requirements? Killing off fish poulations & aquatic life so entergy Louisiana can make money is not a priority for VT. Again, it would likely be litigated but unless stopped, states have the right to protect water quality & regulate thermal discharges.

"One place anti-Yankee lawmakers and state officials may find a toehold is the so-called national pollution discharge elimination system permit. Issued by the state of Vermont, the permit governs the plant's “thermal discharges” into the Connecticut River, giving the state considerable influence over the cost at which the plant is able to generate power.

Water-quality standards stipulate that industrial operations cannot raise ambient water temperatures in Class B waterways, like the Connecticut, more than 1 degree.

But under an exemption in the federal Clean Water Act -- an exemption that hinges on permission from the state -- Vermont Yankee is allowed to raise river temperatures by 6 degrees as it uses water from the river to cool its reactor. But revoking that exemption could force the plant to adopt a potentially cost-prohibitive alternate cooling system, making continued operation uneconomical for Entergy."
http://www.vnews.com/01212012/8303834.htm

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Water quality is firmly w/in the purview of the states as well as EPA.

Things are changing fast. Stay ignorant dummy:
"For much of the last decade Entergy Nuclear, the owners of the twin Indian Point reactors in New York, have battled environmental regulators from the state and federal government over the continued use of enormous volumes of Hudson River water to quench its power systems. Their federal court suit, joined by a coalition of environmental
organizations and New Jersey, New York, and four other states, culminated in a 2009 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court upholding their contention that wedge wire systems were not designed for nuclear power plants and could not meet the requirements of the Clean Water Act."

The High Court also agreed with Entergy’s position that federal regulators could use cost benefit analysis to determine the most effective and reasonable means of ordering compliance with environmental laws, even though that sort of calculus could short change non-commercial aquatic life.

Now it’s time for a full reversal.

[..]Hearings are tentatively scheduled to run
through Feb. 24, covering these and other items as needed.

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Reasonable in its requirements? Killing off fish poulations & aquatic life so entergy Louisiana can make money is not a priority for VT. Again, it would likely be litigated but unless stopped, states have the right to protect water quality & regulate thermal discharges.
"One place anti-Yankee lawmakers and state officials may find a toehold is the so-called national pollution discharge elimination system permit. Issued by the state of Vermont, the permit governs the plant's “thermal discharges” into the Connecticut River, giving the state considerable influence over the cost at which the plant is able to generate power.
Water-quality standards stipulate that industrial operations cannot raise ambient water temperatures in Class B waterways, like the Connecticut, more than 1 degree.
But under an exemption in the federal Clean Water Act -- an exemption that hinges on permission from the state -- Vermont Yankee is allowed to raise river temperatures by 6 degrees as it uses water from the river to cool its reactor. But revoking that exemption could force the plant to adopt a potentially cost-prohibitive alternate cooling system, making continued operation uneconomical for Entergy."
http://www.vnews.com/01212012/8303834.htm
hahahahah Sorry toots you got it wrong again for I am "this Vermonter"!

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My my. Just happened to be lurking? Strange coincidence I must say. In actuality you're fos-alts are one & the same.

Run little man, but you cannot hide. I see your dimwitted wife is back claiming "abuse" by medical professionals again.

You two really need help, seriously.
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When is that band from New Orleans going to get here? We need their music to cool us down.
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My my. Just happened to be lurking? Strange coincidence I must say. In actuality you're fos-alts are one & the same.
Run little man, but you cannot hide. I see your dimwitted wife is back claiming "abuse" by medical professionals again.
You two really need help, seriously.
Lurking Turkey Lurkey? I post here several times a week; no law against it....that is unless the Vermont Senate wants’ to pass and lose yet another court case.

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