Vermont State Guard seeks veterans

As the Vermont National Guard faces the potential for a large deployment, military officials are trying to build up state reserves in case of a domestic crisis. Full Story
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VTNative

Germany

#1 Jun 24, 2008
When the State Guard has to recruit Vermonters to do the job of the Vermont National Guard, something is wrong.

Of course, no one is really asking the right questions.

1. Why is the Vermont National Guard being mobilized to train the Afghanistan military? Is this really the job of our strategic reserves?

2. Why are they being called so shortly after most of the Vermont National guard was mobilized to Iraq? They are understrength and have no equipment.

3. Why is the Vermont National Guard being mobilized, when the Brigade is in the middle of a total transformation from an Armoured Brigade to an Infantry Brigade?

Start asking those questions, and you will realize the only reason why they are being mobilized, is because the Vermont National Guard senior leadership volunteered them...simply so the commander can get his "combat patch"...and the ability to say he "led a brigade into combat".

USVET

Fall River, MA

#2 Jun 25, 2008
Are you out of your silly little narrow mind.

4)- So the commander can have his "Combat Patch"? He already has one along with the majority of us enlisted in the VT Guard. Who deploys and when isnt even up to the state, the rotation is maintained by the NGB. You can look up what that is, you might learn a few things along the way.

3)- Transforming the Brigade is not re-inventing the wheel. Individual training takes a month at best.

2)- Understrenght? Were did you get your number from? Probably the same source that told you theres no equipment.... Theres more new equipment rolling into soldiers hands then ever before.

1)You cant figure out why training the Afghan Military is in our interest? I dont have time for a history lesson, with your attitude it probably wouldnt matter anyway.So quick to make comments based on personal opinion smoke screened by bogus "facts".

For someone complaining that nobody is asking the right questions you sure have a lot of bad answers.

If you were to tour the Vt Guard Armory's you would have a hard time finding someone that didnt want to be there. Something Im sure you wouldnt understand either.
Josh Cohen

New York, NY

#3 Jun 25, 2008
I was in the Vermont State Guard for a while, if the TAG is now actively involved in recruiting retired veterans to serve in the VSG this is a change of heart. I remember two years ago when I was part of that organization it seemed we were hardly wanted and nearly never used for any important purpose. Never had what one could consider 'military training' or any equipment.

So if the TAG is serious about beefing up the Vermont State Guard then perhaps some funding and training would be a place to start, rather then looking to expand a hollow organization.
david s

Montpelier, VT

#4 Jun 25, 2008
"vtnative",
the vermont state guard is an integral part of the military force of the state of vermont, its role is to fill in for the national guard when the national guard is called into federal service. sadly, as "josh" points out it is ignored and forgotten for the most part when there is no emergency in the offing. as for your "questions" about the national guard "usvet" has, i think answered them better than they deserve
CAP Officer

West Topsham, VT

#5 Jul 19, 2008
As another Vermonter, I'm appalled at Vtnative's response to the use of Vermont's Elite National Guard to train a force that lives in terrain similar to ours. Vermont's NG isn't just a strategic reserve; it's the only National Guard unit to have beaten the US Regulars at their own game. They are the only group that remembers the Proud military history of Vermont that has been forgotten by transplants and pseudo-intellectuals living in Burlington's Colleges.

It's unfortunate that the VSG has been abandoned by TAG when historically it was state guard and militia units that formed the needed support structure for Vermont's always elite fighting forces. We are hunters, woodsmen, and both fiercely independent and stubborn about our land. After hearing about the VSG as an opportunity to serve at a time when I can't afford to be shipped overseas, I am going to research this group and perhaps join.
Josh Cohen

Plymouth, MA

#6 Oct 11, 2008
To CAP Officer,

Let us know how it goes with the VSG should you decide to sign on.

All the best,

Josh
True Patriot

Holyoke, MA

#7 Oct 11, 2008
Vermont has always ultimately stubbornly defended itself as a true Democratic Republic even when the rest of the union has temporarily gone off course. Read some history.

It is looking quite probable that the rest of the union is about to possibly go way off course again. So serving for Vermont may soo not be about defending perhaps short-sighted USA international/national policy. But more about defending our actual physical boarders, lands and freedom.

Buckle your seatbelts.
CAP Officer

Haverhill, MA

#8 Nov 27, 2008
After signing up for VSG, I discovered some things, but I'm no PAO, especially for the VSG, so take it with a major grain of salt:

The National Guard Deploys in Dec. 2009/Jan 2010. At that time, the Vermont State Guard may go all the way to call-up status. Presently, we're being pulled for more volunteer work than recent history has shown, and next year I suspect that it will increase.

While it's true the TAG has turned a blind eye to the Army formed units of the VSG, the Air Wing has been integrated with the VTANG for some time and some of the Army units (mine in particular) are now working toward the same opportunity.

Honestly, I'm glad I have the opportunity.
Modelmaster

Hanover, NH

#9 Apr 21, 2009
On the National Guard it seems most people have not done thier research on how the National Guard came to be and your recuriter told you before you sign up that the National Guard has 2 missions and they are Federal which super seeds and state request. and 2 is the state mission.
History is 1903-1908 Dicks Act was to bring the Guards into the main stream of the Military.
Since the states could not afford to pay, train and equip all soliders the Federal Gov't said ok the Federal Gov't will pay,train, and equip all state guards but the name has to be changed to national since the Feds are paying Feds have prioity access to these units when needed to back up the full time military.
This is why the National Guard can be called up. I know this because I was a certifed recuriter in the National Guard and we were required to tell all recruits about the 2 missions.
The Vt State Guard has 1 mission the State protection I am now a member of the VT State Guard and I have been in some time and I have seen a lot of changes since MG Dubie has taken over as the Command of all Guards.I am very proud to serve VT State Guard these are a group of elite group of men and women who volunteer thier time to assist the National Guard in any way they can.

Since: Jan 09

Bennington, VT

#10 Apr 21, 2009
to VTNative the reason the guard is being use so much goes back to the great draft dodger CLINTON. TO save money he cut the regular military about 30% and made the Guard and reserve part of our front line of defense. After 8 years the total military had less than 600 up armored hummv.s.So all hail tne great democrat. BY the way to be loyal to the way Vermont voted should not 100% of the guard go. After all new democrat (THE OBAMA) only has to say IN THE OF THE OBAMA LEAVE
J W McSherry

Bennington, VT

#11 Apr 23, 2009
23 april 2009 What I wanted to say was (THE OBAMA) has only to say to the military was ( IN THE NAME OF THE OBAMA LEAVE ). Thus after 01 21 2009 the war is his
John C

Rock Hill, SC

#12 Dec 22, 2009
I have a question. Can a person be in both services: IE Vermont State Guard and The Vermont National Guard? Its my understanding the a person can not be in two commisioned services. Would this be a correct statement.
Josh Cohen

Saint Albans, VT

#13 Jan 17, 2010
Re to John C, it is possible to serve in one or the other.
Woodsman

Corinth, VT

#14 Nov 22, 2010
I am retired army guard, does state guard build retirement points is my question. I know the CAP has a program that builds points.
Josh Cohen

Shelburne Falls, MA

#15 Mar 15, 2012
Woodsman wrote:
I am retired army guard, does state guard build retirement points is my question. I know the CAP has a program that builds points.
I do not believe so but I would check with them, ask for it in writing on VTARNG stationary and quite possibly there would have to be a state stature behind it the Federal Gov. endorses, I've not heard of one, does not mean there is not.
Alex

Newton Center, MA

#16 Mar 15, 2012
U.S. Military Pensions In Doubt

the 'National Guard'(which doesn't even guard the nation) isn't lawful to Exist in the first place nevermind be sent overseas as regular military!
The treason started in 1906 with the Dick Act and thru other unconstitutional legislation the State militias have been wrongfully done away with.

Only State Militias are sanctioned in the federal Constitution and the State's, and the militias are supposed to be the defenders of State sovereignty if/when the federal branch get out of bounds/control (as it has!)
http://constitution.org/mil/vt/mil_usvt.htm
http://greenmountainboys.us/uomv.html
Josh Cohen

Shelburne Falls, MA

#17 Mar 16, 2012
yep, glad to see someone knows the history, and how the subtle change occurred. one of my collage papers for a poly sci. class was entitle: Who Controls the National Guard, Governor or President

thanks Alex
Josh Cohen

Shelburne Falls, MA

#18 Mar 16, 2012
Alex wrote:
U.S. Military Pensions In Doubt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =tEE7GKeeOFgXX
the 'National Guard'(which doesn't even guard the nation) isn't lawful to Exist in the first place nevermind be sent overseas as regular military!
The treason started in 1906 with the Dick Act and thru other unconstitutional legislation the State militias have been wrongfully done away with.
Only State Militias are sanctioned in the federal Constitution and the State's, and the militias are supposed to be the defenders of State sovereignty if/when the federal branch get out of bounds/control (as it has!)
http://constitution.org/mil/vt/mil_usvt.htm
http://greenmountainboys.us/uomv.html
and this:http://www.vermontstategu ard.org/
Alex

Bellows Falls, VT

#19 Mar 16, 2012
at that link they mention the history of how the militia was subverted, starting in 1903 not 06 as I thought-
http://www.vermontstateguard.org/history
no doubt you know about federal law Title 10 section 311, which says every male U.S. citizen (and registered with Selective Service) upon turning 17/18 automatically becomes a member of the unorganized militia of the U.S.
But since State militias have been officially (and treasonously) done away with then the whole thing is a sick joke. The founders if here would be berating us Bigtime for allowing the destruction of State sovereignty and empowering the federal branch so much!

Thru incrementalism and years these most treasonous actions are pulled on us, they wouldn't get away with it if done quickly since people would rightfully revolt. But like the frog in cold or hot water water analogy the sheeple gullibly stupidly abdicate their freedoms and Constitutions and get the tyranny they deserve from the Enemies Domestic.

As for who controls the National Guard,
what difference does it really make when it's UnConstitutional?
The (once sovereign) State Militias are supposed to be funded by the federal govt. but each Controlled by its State Governor, and the founders strssed that no militias are EVER to be sent overseas! That's only for regular military and only upon actual declaration of War by Congress. The last time Congress properly declared war was 1941- therefore Every war action since WWII was UNLAWFUL.

Now we see the Joint Chiefs and Panetta declaring themselves answerable to only the President who they admit gets his 'authority' from the UN/NATO!!

Pentagon & Obama declare Congress to be merely ceremonial!
http://www.infowars.com/coup-detat-pentagon-o...

Pentagon's damage control over shocking Panetta tesitmony
http://www.prisonplanet.com/pentagon-launches...
Josh Cohen

Toulon, France

#20 Apr 23, 2012
david s wrote:
"vtnative",
the vermont state guard is an integral part of the military force of the state of vermont, its role is to fill in for the national guard when the national guard is called into federal service. sadly, as "josh" points out it is ignored and forgotten for the most part when there is no emergency in the offing. as for your "questions" about the national guard "usvet" has, i think answered them better than they deserve
my name is Josh, you don't need to put in quotes. I guess you did not see my op ed in the Free Press a few years back. I can scan it.

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