New law will allow public breast-feeding

curious wrote:

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I think this entire subject has really gotten out of hand. The lactating mother is not one to be messed with, that's for sure. Should they be allowed to breast feed...probably so...but should they use discression, YES! And to all those who DON'T use discression, those are the ones that need the sermons, because THEY are the ones causing the problems, eh?

"The lactating mother is not one to be messed with, that's for sure". OOOOooooo i'm scared curious, lactating mothers ehh?? Correcting me if i am wrong, dont you mean the breast FEMINAZI liberals?? Yeah these so-called child concern mothers who only care about their own 15 minutes of fame and never mind the childs rights to eat

Time to back out wrote:

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You didn't say you never made a/any mistakes but sure like to point out others mistakes and in doing so, you have made the biggest mistake of all. I think you have corrected Sean several times too, thats not your job here on this forum. I want to remind you that we all make grammar and spelling mistakes, but use a little etiquette please and read the message to the response of the topic in which you are being addressed. Its very rude to point out errors to others when speaking to them about anything. I am NOT in your class room!!!!!

Thanks Time to back out

Babylabels_com wrote:

Finally! Breast feeding is a womens right and should always be allowed everywhere!

Yes breastfeeding is a womens rights, nobody said it isnt, however those rights should have limits such as doing it in a respectful manner as well.

If suggesting a reasonable private area for breastfeeding mothers is harrasment, then obviously many of you liberals are misusing the term "harrasment"

Breastfeeding is not a race/color, its not an ethnicity, its not a gender, a religion or a sexual orientation, but a behaviour that can be controlled within its respects for others

curious wrote:

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ok
I think this entire subject has really gotten out of hand. The lactating mother is not one to be messed with, that's for sure. Should they be allowed to breast feed...probably so...but should they use discression, YES! And to all those who DON'T use discression, those are the ones that need the sermons, because THEY are the ones causing the problems, eh?

Well curious you didnt except my appologys so there for no forgiveness is exceoted. Face it your a bigger loser than i thought , and you trying to fight me will take many thoughts to come. Your worthless and just like everyone else on this thread who cant think for themselves, and i feel really sorry for you

Reply to CURIOUS wrote:

Curious -- quote: "So much of this entire 'law' business stems from mothers taking a hateful attitude and feeling that it is their right to do 'what ever when ever'."
The law is not to protect YOU from possibly seeing a lactating breast, my dear, it is to protect the RIGHT of nursing mothers and babies from being harrassed by ignorant people who equate nursing a baby in public with an indecent act. The law states CLEARLY that public breastfeeding is NOT lewd or indecent and NO ONE shall interfere with a mother breastfeeding her baby in a public place.
"This 'law' business" was aimed at the idiots, not nursing mothers.

But the law doesnt also say that nursing mothers have that right to bare full breast in public, so again as i said before this new law goes a bit beyond meaning.

And as for the law stating that nobody should interfere is quite a load of garbage because i wouldnt call suggesting a little reasonable privacy for her and her child to bond out of the public eye harrasment.

If two customers are complaining about this and if this type of behaviour is hurting business knowing that these trouble maming moms can take advantage of the law, then thats when business owners will have to take actions by looking out for the best interest of their guest. And that means even if it would be handled in a positive matter or legal actions being resorted. As i said before a law like this could endup backlashing where it could becoming ignored.

To come into someones place and go and do what you want and when you want to is by all means tresspassing. Generally speaking you have no rights when coming into a public venue, and once the final decision is made by business owners that your officially banned, that means you have no rights period to be there.

Private property rights is not breastfeeding rights my freind, and the government has no rights making decisions for business owners on wether or not they want breastfeeding.

Reply to TIME TO BACK OUT wrote:

Quote: "..If you want respect, then you have to earn it.."
Actually, the law says that YOU must respect MY right to breastfeed my child anywhere/anytime.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

But the law doesnt also say that nursing mothers have that right to bare full breast in public, so again as i said before this new law goes a bit beyond meaning.

And as for the law stating that nobody should interfere is quite a load of garbage because i wouldnt call suggesting a little reasonable privacy for her and her child to bond out of the public eye harrasment.

If two customers are complaining about this and if this type of behaviour is hurting business knowing that these trouble making moms can take advantage of the law, then thats when business owners will have to take actions by looking out for the best interest of their guest. And that means even if it would be handled in a positive matter or legal actions being resorted. As i said before a law like this could endup backlashing where it could becoming ignored.

To come into someones place and go and do what you want and when you want to is by all means tresspassing. Generally speaking you have no rights when coming into a public venue, and once the final decision is made by business owners that your officially banned, that means you have no rights period to be there.

Private property rights is not breastfeeding rights my freind, and the government has no rights making decisions for business owners on wether or not they want breastfeeding.

Tammy wrote:

A mothers milk is the best for a baby.There should be no laws against it.What did mothers do before formula and etc came out?Breast fed.I am all for it Im glad there our still mothers out there our willing to breast feed.Good luck to you good mothers.

Nobody said there is a law against breastfeeding, however there are laws against public indecent exposure. And if you go and read your breastfeeding laws more clearly, it does not say in those breastfeeding laws that a mother has a right to bare full breast in public

When the law makes decisions for business owners, then it becomes government control. Just because the law says its ok for a mother to breastfeed anywhere, it still doesnt give her a right to impose and force this rude behaviour on others knowingly that the law will be on her side. This new law does in fact give the advantage of many breastfeeding moms out there to direct them in the wrong attitude. Plus it will discredit many nursing mothers of the rights they fight for when misusing it as a way of bullying.

Much of your angst may be that YOU are not the person people are complaining about. There are several moms, many of them purposeful activists/libs, that show NO privacy and actually expose themselves as much as possible, basically to thumb their nose at alot of us that are offended. This woman on Delta sounds like one of them as she was simply asked to coverup or use a bathroom and she threw a fit. And there have been several similar stories like that, and I have seen this blatant disregard for the public first hand. This is why I don't understand why people on this post keep saying people are telling them not to breast feed. You may not understand their position quite well because you inherently are private and do the best you can. YOu may not understand that there are other mothers out there that do not follow that example one bit. I'm positive that it is these truely rude women that are the issue here.

Republican Sean wrote:

Much of your angst may be that YOU are not the person people are complaining about. There are several moms, many of them purposeful activists/libs, that show NO privacy and actually expose themselves as much as possible, basically to thumb their nose at alot of us that are offended. This woman on Delta sounds like one of them as she was simply asked to coverup or use a bathroom and she threw a fit. And there have been several similar stories like that, and I have seen this blatant disregard for the public first hand. This is why I don't understand why people on this post keep saying people are telling them not to breast feed. You may not understand their position quite well because you inherently are private and do the best you can. YOu may not understand that there are other mothers out there that do not follow that example one bit. I'm positive that it is these truely rude women that are the issue here.

The woman on the flight wasn't showing anything, and was still asked to coverup. And really on a plane, when you are in the window seat, who sees you? the person sitting next to you and that's about it. And the woman didn't 'throw a fit' it was the stewardess who threw the fit.

And yet again you keep talking about these near non-existant liberals who flaunt their naked bodies to breastfeed.

You've never seen a woman do so. Quit harping on it.

joyfulmama wrote:

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The woman on the flight wasn't showing anything, and was still asked to coverup. And really on a plane, when you are in the window seat, who sees you? the person sitting next to you and that's about it. And the woman didn't 'throw a fit' it was the stewardess who threw the fit.
And yet again you keep talking about these near non-existant liberals who flaunt their naked bodies to breastfeed.
You've never seen a woman do so. Quit harping on it.

I am not saying that liberals are all behind embracing just breastfeeding alone. But in todays world anything goes beyond. You see our world has done done the hole, and trying to explain certain stuff to people who never had any teachings is this area is at a total loss. Some dont even understand that there are limits we have to follow in certian things because they were never been taught that

joyfulmama wrote:

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The woman on the flight wasn't showing anything, and was still asked to coverup. And really on a plane, when you are in the window seat, who sees you? the person sitting next to you and that's about it. And the woman didn't 'throw a fit' it was the stewardess who threw the fit.
And yet again you keep talking about these near non-existant liberals who flaunt their naked bodies to breastfeed.
You've never seen a woman do so. Quit harping on it.

I am not saying that liberals are all behind embracing just breastfeeding alone. But in todays world anything goes beyond. You see our world has gone down the hole, and trying to explain certain stuff to people who never had any teachings is this area is at a total loss. Some dont even understand that there are limits we have to follow in certian things because they were never been taught that. We are at a new stone age as what it seems, people have forgotten to to use good judgement and that being respectful is thrown out the window when one feels that nature is more important

Republican Sean wrote:

<quoted text>I am not saying that liberals are all behind embracing just breastfeeding alone. But in todays world anything goes beyond. You see our world has gone down the hole, and trying to explain certain stuff to people who never had any teachings is this area is at a total loss. Some dont even understand that there are limits we have to follow in certian things because they were never been taught that. We are at a new stone age as what it seems, people have forgotten to to use good judgement and that being respectful is thrown out the window when one feels that nature is more important

It's alright Sean, you can talk to us about "stuff" -- we understand.

Just because things happened to have been done in the stone age, then have been repressed and are loosening -- doesn't make it uncivilised. I think the reasons behind decisions are the most fundamental thing to take into account.

You are judging the beliefs of people here purely by their conclusions. People in the stone age didn't discuss things like this, they just did it and you fail to realise that. Some of the voices here are intelligent and open-minded and unless you can seperate what they have to say from ancient acts then I'm afraid you are going to sruggle to learn much else my friend.

Heather wrote:

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It's alright Sean, you can talk to us about "stuff" -- we understand.
Just because things happened to have been done in the stone age, then have been repressed and are loosening -- doesn't make it uncivilised. I think the reasons behind decisions are the most fundamental thing to take into account.
You are judging the beliefs of people here purely by their conclusions. People in the stone age didn't discuss things like this, they just did it and you fail to realise that. Some of the voices here are intelligent and open-minded and unless you can seperate what they have to say from ancient acts then I'm afraid you are going to sruggle to learn much else my friend.

agree to that Heather, but i think society has become more civil when we we learned to not cross certain limits which God has created

Heather wrote:

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It's alright Sean, you can talk to us about "stuff" -- we understand.
Just because things happened to have been done in the stone age, then have been repressed and are loosening -- doesn't make it uncivilised. I think the reasons behind decisions are the most fundamental thing to take into account.
You are judging the beliefs of people here purely by their conclusions. People in the stone age didn't discuss things like this, they just did it and you fail to realise that. Some of the voices here are intelligent and open-minded and unless you can seperate what they have to say from ancient acts then I'm afraid you are going to sruggle to learn much else my friend.

Well like i said before we didnt start becoming a civilized society until the british came to this country. All our morals comes from the English

Sean, have you ever hold or kissed a female breast? no? you don't know what your missing...LOL!!

Republican Sean wrote:

<quoted text>agree to that Heather, but i think society has become more civil when we we learned to not cross certain limits which God has created

It's more likely people created these limits and said that they were from God as a way of making values a priori. Nevertheless, to use any non religion specific deity as the basis for your argument is very narrow.
Religion has been practised since man began questionaing his existence (the stoneage comes into mind here). There are still ways we can assess what ideals to uphold other than using such a fragile doctrine. I advise you not to use it though I'm not stopping you.

To Heather:

Yes religion has been practiced since man which was Adam and Eve. God gave human beings a more understanding than animals that we learn certain things that couldnt go against Gods creations. We were born to be a little more civil that having our private moment would be between us and our kids. If we cross these limits, God could destroy these creations if he wanted if not followed properly. And this is a lot of mistakes these anti-religious movements seem to do is use God when it suits them the most on a debate like this. We all know that Mary Breastfed Jesus, we see alot of these images made, but how can so many know that it was done public?

Heather wrote:

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It's more likely people created these limits and said that they were from God as a way of making values a priori. Nevertheless, to use any non religion specific deity as the basis for your argument is very narrow.
Religion has been practised since man began questionaing his existence (the stoneage comes into mind here). There are still ways we can assess what ideals to uphold other than using such a fragile doctrine. I advise you not to use it though I'm not stopping you.

I also wanted to say something to give you a general idea what i am all about is i am with the Coalition of Traditional values movement. We are a Christian right wing group that promotes decency and to keep this country understanding these boundries. We are not what you would say too extreme like the talaban, but we are an organization that helps society learn to be well mannered. We arent like Hitlers socialist groups, but we do believe breastfeeding belongs at home or someplace private. I feel breastfeeding in public is not really needed and there are ways of avoiding being put in these situations where you are in a setting with a group of people doing whats normal. This is not something new the way these breastfeeding advocates want others to think that it is. Breastfeeding has been around for centurys, people knew there places when doing so, its just now we are seeing a domino affect behind all of this

Republican Sean wrote:

To Heather:
Yes religion has been practiced since man which was Adam and Eve. God gave human beings a more understanding than animals that we learn certain things that couldnt go against Gods creations. We were born to be a little more civil that having our private moment would be between us and our kids. If we cross these limits, God could destroy these creations if he wanted if not followed properly. And this is a lot of mistakes these anti-religious movements seem to do is use God when it suits them the most on a debate like this. We all know that Mary Breastfed Jesus, we see alot of these images made, but how can so many know that it was done public?

Mr. Sean, You have been participating in this forum for a long time. It's just a little weird for a man to obsess in this type forum for such a long time. I understand the points you make, but it just seems strange that you have this on your mind all the time. If your weirdness keeps you obsessing on this topic and you have strong convictions one way or another about what is acceptable or not acceptable in public, you need to contact your local and state governments.

Ordinary citizens cannot envoke change just by chatting in a chat room, or blogging. You can play a part in chanaging public policy by writting your state and U.S. Congressmen. You want to reach as many people as you can with your thoughts and rationale, and you want to get your message to the lawmakers. Good luck.