Are Californians The Root Of Idaho's Evils?

For years there have been rumblings, grumblings, and not so thinly veiled suggestions that Californians should stay out of Idaho, but are folks from the Golden State really the root of Idaho's evils? According ... Full Story
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Tom

Boise, ID

#1 May 11, 2006
I'm really upset about seeing Idaho's farmland, which has been here for decades, being bought up, torn up, then turned into subdivisions for the Californian people and their gigantic homes. It makes me sad seeing all the beautiful, old homes with acres of pasture with cows and horses grazing contentedly in the sun with "Public Notice" signs in front, which usually means that a subdivision will be put there in place of this beautiful pasture.
I would also like to bring up the fact that if you move to Idaho, you are going to smell dairy and you can either suck it up, stop complaining and tribute to society, or go away and in my opinion, never come back.
Kathy

AOL

#2 May 12, 2006
I live in Cali, and I'm headed to Idaho in July. The area I live, the average home costs $500,000 - so of course we're all packing up and heading to Idaho.
Dave

United States

#3 May 12, 2006
Tom,

I here what your saying. But look at it from a Californians standpoint. They've been replaced by illegal immigrants, and the middle class has no other choice but to move.

Idaho will still have that small town feel to it. And Californians moving to that area really do appreciate the good people of Idaho.
Judy from Whittier - CA

AOL

#4 May 12, 2006
Kathy, I agree with you. Why spend $500K on a small house, where we can buy bigger and better for $150K. And - there is so much more recreation in Idaho. I have a cousin that lives in IF - the people are wonderful and it's a great place to live (and visit)
Dave from Valencia CA

Los Angeles, CA

#5 May 13, 2006
Didnt know Idaho was in a different country. Last time I check it was in the USA. Get over yourselves. You know how many people move to CA every year. Quit crying.
dave

Caldwell, ID

#6 May 13, 2006
I just put my house up for sale. 1430 Shantel, Pocatello Come take a look.
Kathy wrote:
I live in Cali, and I'm headed to Idaho in July. The area I live, the average home costs $500,000 - so of course we're all packing up and heading to Idaho.
joshua

United States

#7 May 14, 2006
idahoians don't mind taking money from the influx of californians, mutiplying their home price 4, 5x current value, or more.
Idahoians should pass laws prohibiting idahoians from selling large lands to california or any other developers to protect the beauty of idaho.
californians most bought houses for under 80k and have found they can now sell for 500k or more, so they sell and buy beautiful properties in idaho away from killers, child molesters, stabbings, shootings on a daily basis infringing upon their neighborhoods, would you not move? and how by chance did they hear of this great land, low crime beautiful State called Idaho-well through greedy Idahoian real estate agents eager to sell out their communities for the almighty dollor-lets put the blame where it falls.
I moved here with my children, in school are ignored and treated badly because they said they moved from california, outcast even though we were only in california for a couple years, a short stay. this bigotry must come from the parents, shame on you, you can hate californians but don't teach your children to hate mine because they are from california and yes I will go there, my daughter said they don't like her because she in not LDS.
this is america you know freedom of religion and freedom to live where we want to.
You can hate me for living in califorina for two years, but not my children they are innocent, so I will move.
please let your realtors know to be up front and honest about idahoians love for there fellow man, even more so for inncocent children.
Hesiod

United States

#8 May 14, 2006
I'm sorry that you and your family haven't been treated so well, especially your daughter's experience in school. The sad thing is that what she is experiencing is quite common for "non-mormons" in schools that are mostly Mormon. Not all Mormons teach their kids to be like that, so please don't think that is a common trait of every Mormon, howeer there are still quite a lot of them, especially in eastern Idaho, and their kids are absolutely horrible to anyone not LDS. It gets better as they get older though, or at least it did at my school.

On the topic though, I don't like Idaho losing farm land either, it irritates me like non-other. However just just blaming it on California isn't the answer. The problem isn't who is coming in, but why so many farmers are forced to sell their lands and leave. The fact is the majority of people buy everything exclusively from Walmart, Albertsons, Target and other store giants for everything, but where do these stores get all of their crap they sell to you? They ship it in from where ever sells the cheapest, and that usually is from the oppososite side of the country or world. If we want to perserve Idaho farms, then we need to focus on becoming more community oriented and agriculturally self-sustainable.
joshua wrote:
idahoians don't mind taking money from the influx of californians, mutiplying their home price 4, 5x current value, or more.
Idahoians should pass laws prohibiting idahoians from selling large lands to california or any other developers to protect the beauty of idaho.
californians most bought houses for under 80k and have found they can now sell for 500k or more, so they sell and buy beautiful properties in idaho away from killers, child molesters, stabbings, shootings on a daily basis infringing upon their neighborhoods, would you not move? and how by chance did they hear of this great land, low crime beautiful State called Idaho-well through greedy Idahoian real estate agents eager to sell out their communities for the almighty dollor-lets put the blame where it falls.
I moved here with my children, in school are ignored and treated badly because they said they moved from california, outcast even though we were only in california for a couple years, a short stay. this bigotry must come from the parents, shame on you, you can hate californians but don't teach your children to hate mine because they are from california and yes I will go there, my daughter said they don't like her because she in not LDS.
this is america you know freedom of religion and freedom to live where we want to.
You can hate me for living in califorina for two years, but not my children they are innocent, so I will move.
please let your realtors know to be up front and honest about idahoians love for there fellow man, even more so for inncocent children.
joshua

United States

#9 May 15, 2006
Hesiod wrote:
I'm sorry that you and your family haven't been treated so well, especially your daughter's experience in school. The sad thing is that what she is experiencing is quite common for "non-mormons" in schools that are mostly Mormon. Not all Mormons teach their kids to be like that, so please don't think that is a common trait of every Mormon, howeer there are still quite a lot of them, especially in eastern Idaho, and their kids are absolutely horrible to anyone not LDS. It gets better as they get older though, or at least it did at my school.
On the topic though, I don't like Idaho losing farm land either, it irritates me like non-other. However just just blaming it on California isn't the answer. The problem isn't who is coming in, but why so many farmers are forced to sell their lands and leave. The fact is the majority of people buy everything exclusively from Walmart, Albertsons, Target and other store giants for everything, but where do these stores get all of their crap they sell to you? They ship it in from where ever sells the cheapest, and that usually is from the oppososite side of the country or world. If we want to perserve Idaho farms, then we need to focus on becoming more community oriented and agriculturally self-sustainable.
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Hesiod
your right all mormons are not like that and are kind and friendly as my sister a member for 30 years, nicest person you will ever meet, that's why I wanted my children raised these good people, I was shocked to find this nearly entire town is like that. we will move even if it gets better in the upcoming years the damage will be done to my children if I don't. I believe every one has the right to their own beliefs and I respect them for that.
As for Idahoians forced to sell their farms that is quite insightfull and probably true, but we must remember Walmart gets all or most products from Mexico, India and other foreign countries and pay employee's horrible wages to keep their income high, they have moved into small farm communities and shut dowm many a business, mom and pop type, I have no love for Walmart and agree with you.
But we must not forget farms are federally subsidised and even difficult could maintain their farms if it weren't large developers offering them enourmous amounts of money through Idaho real estate agents, enough money to keep their homes with some acreage and live better than what they were. it's not just Idaho, Montana and Wyoming real estate agents are advertising and telling farmers and residents they can make 5, 10x the price for their homes and land tempting isn't it.
Walmart is the cause of many problems, you are right but lets not let the greedy people off the hook.

thanks for your comments, my children will be glad to hear their are good people like you out there and not just me saying so.
KK - Houston - TX

Houston, TX

#10 May 17, 2006
Californian's don't feel bad! There are very few people who can actually say they or their families were "native" Idahoans. My family moved to Coeur d'Alene back in the 80's from Alaska and my husband's family moved there in the 70's from Michigan. Both of us grew up there - went to school there, worked there, met each other there.... Even during those times, most of the kids we went to school with were from "someplace else," so this influx of people moving to Idaho is not new - people from all over the country have been transplanting to Idaho for decades. My family said the same thing 20 years ago, about it being a great place to raise their kids - free from the pollution and crime. Well guess what? There is pollution and there is crime in Idaho. In our years growing up, we still had major health issues and found ourselves getting into big trouble despite our parents best efforts. On pollution, Spokane used to have the worst air quality in the country (blowing straight over our way), then there's Hanford which has been scrutinized for it's leaks and speculated that it correlates with the high MS rate in North Idaho, and the southern half isn't safe either - do some research into the history books about all the nuclear testing done in southern Idaho decades back. I'm not even going to start in on the mining and grass burning. We could go on, but the point is, don't be disillusioned by just what you see. As for crime yes, there is crime - that's what the prisons are for, right? Believe it or not, the state of Idaho has one of the worst drug infestations in the country on a per capita basis; and just like your big city, heroin and meth use (and manufacturing) have been on the rise for years. And drugs aren't all - stabbings, shootings, child molestation, rape, assault, robbery and murder also happen in Idaho - sadly, I can site an example of someone I knew personally involved in each one of these. And this is in the past - who knows how much this has increased since. My husband and I decided to move to Houston, TX 5 years ago, and to our surprise we were shocked to find out that our crime rate per capita in our suburb of 90,000 is half of what we had in CDA! Granted, the pollution here is bad, but the city has a lot more to offer to make up for that. Our children have more and better opportunities and cultural & religious diversity. As a family we have more choices in everything from the best health care to top jobs, a booming economy, an affordable cost of living - and we live more comfortably because of it. Best of all, we are WELCOME here in Houston, because just like Idaho, there are a lot of transplants. Our parents had good intentions, but trying to keep us "safe" in Idaho only kept us from seeing what the world was really about - both good & bad. We still have family there, but now that we live in a place where our children can thrive we won't be moving back anytime soon.
Dave

United States

#11 May 17, 2006
"and to our surprise we were shocked to find out that our crime rate per capita in our suburb of 90,000 is half of what we had in CDA!"

Houston's crime has skyrocketed in the past 6 months. Rapes, murders, dope all have increased with the influx of Katrina victims.
Brian

Herndon, VA

#12 May 17, 2006
I saw a few beautiful, large cattle pastures and farmland parcels around Boise and Meridian, but mostly, I saw parcels that were less than 20 acres with rusted out trucks, broken eqpt and beaten down old shacks or single wide trailers from 1963. I also saw smaller "farms" that were actually fenced off from the middle of brand new housing developments, these were the typical tobacco chewing geezers that are holding out for their $1 million per acre by holding the new home owners hostage with their "colorful" eyesore properties on the corner of new developments.

Those rusted out trucks and broken down farm tools didn't get that way in the last 10 years or 10 months, those eyesore properties have been that way for 20 to 30 years. Beef is run by co-ops and so are produce, alfalfa and other commodities that have a profit greater than the sell price of the land. Problem is, none of those commodities have much future as the land becomes too valuable to "waste" on mom & pop sized operations.

This is not unique to Idaho, it's just that Idaho has resources and attractions that also make it live-able. Go look at Iowa, now there is a place that is all co-op farmland fo as far as the eye can see and there is no danger of a housing boom there!
Jo Nampa Idaho

Meridian, ID

#13 May 18, 2006
I agree. We shouldn't be blaming the rise in home prices on those that are fortunate enough to move to our beautiful valley. And why shouldn't they put their hard earned money back into a piece of land or home? They pay property taxes, support our schools, buy groceries here, just to name a few. Most of the people I know that are from other states are not hostile or greedy but hard working folks, just trying to bring their families up in a peaceful environment. Isn't that to our advantage anyway? They are raising their children to be responsible, hard working adults. And just ask yourself what you would rather see...an old mobile home with old vehicles parked all over, or a beautiful home, constructed by some of our own local builders.
Joe

Emmett, ID

#14 May 19, 2006
The Growth in Idaho is Idaho's fault. People keep voting for leadership that sells us the "economic growth" package. What did you think that meant? Tax incentives bringing jobs means bringing people. The developement contract permits are not being signed by Californians, but by the Idahoans we have elected. Put your anger where it belongs, with our elected officals and the voters. Yes that means you.
Dena Ross

Meridian, ID

#15 May 20, 2006
Hi Kathy:
My name is Dena Ross and I'm a Realtor in Boise Idaho. I'm also from California and I'd like to assist you with finding a new home here in the Treasure Valley. There are homes in every price range here and I'm sure we can find something you'll love. Please check out my website at http://youridahorealestate.com and let me know when you'll be in town so we can take a look at some great homes. Looking forward to hearing from you!
Kathy wrote:
I live in Cali, and I'm headed to Idaho in July. The area I live, the average home costs $500,000 - so of course we're all packing up and heading to Idaho.
Kirk

United States

#16 May 20, 2006
How much is Idaho land worth? We have 600 acres that boarder a state, university and a town in North Idaho. The most wealth a person has is whats on the inside and not the outside but when it comes to a fixed income and taxes you end up having to sell. Our property rights are being sucked up by regulations and this ticks us farmers and ranchers off! Generations of farmers and ranchers are being over run by greed! Its a sad day in Idaho!
Nick

United States

#17 May 21, 2006
You are all a bunch of whiners. It cracks me up to read your ranting and raving. Thanks for the cheap land Idaho!!
Andria

Pinole, CA

#18 May 22, 2006
Being born and raised in CA and looking to move with in a year to Sandpoint due to my husband getting a job up there. I plan on buying farm land and keeping it as farm land. I ride horses and love the ranching life. I hate California and look forward to leaving.

I live in a small town a lot like sandpoint is now. When I moved to this town 16 years ago you could buy a home for dirt cheap now you can not buy anything under 600k for a piece of crap. The newbies who have moved up here have no respect for the locals and piss and moan over everything.

I promise when we do make the move to ID, I will respect the locals and the land and will never influance the CA way..
Andria

Pinole, CA

#19 May 22, 2006
Umm, I am not from Sacramento. I live in Truceek, CA
Jenifer

Fargo, ND

#21 May 22, 2006
You are a twisted sell out

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