Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

MUQ wrote:

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Now our Mr. Eric is trying to catch straws like a drowning man, trying to find parallel between partition of Indian Sub continent and creation of Israel.
He is raising all sort of objections, to some how prove his case.
A. Right of Turkey verses right of Britain:
Islam does not believe in the “modern concept” of Nationalism and Nations. Islamic nation since its inception was a single nation, in which different countries were included.
The head of that nations kept on changing, first it were Arabs, then came Egyptians, then MAMLUKS…. And then it were Turks who became leader of all Muslims.
That one Islamic nation was Superpower of the world, the enemies of Islam divided it into so many Muslim countries, which count for nothing.
That has no parallel with the role of Britain in the Palestine.
B. Why would Arabs demand that the Palestine be partitioned? And the Jewish demand was raised by Jews who were not living in the Palestine? It does not make sense.
C. You are wrong, the country could not be partitioned if Congress opposed it, that is why resolution of partition of country was accepted by Congress Working Committee held on June 30, 1947.
D. Jews did not immigrated to mandate, the British did not have any mandate at all. It was a pre-conceived conspiracy. Muslims in India made India as their home and most of Muslims in India were converts from Hinduism. There is no parallel between them and Jews who came from Europe after 2000 years.
E. The mandate and partition of Palestine was itself illegal and un justified…. Just by talking it would not become the truth.
F. If war is the ONLY justification for Jews controlling the Palestine…..then let the war continue and whosoever wind, let him control the land.
So PLO and HAMAS And HIZBOLLAH all are right and they are continuing that war, why you object?

rabbee: to the victors go the spoils, including the alleged right to re-write history. as nations that appear to have won on their own, re-write history as if they did this on their own unfortunatly. which generally ends in the tragity, of that nation being replaced by another. that allegedly won it, on their own and so on, etc... and i dare say, that most new nations write their history, as if G-D was never involved. even with the fleeting, g-d is on our side during the conflict. than all of a sudden, after the alleged resolution, "we did it" syndrome. eveh though during any conflict, very seldom is any one on TheSide of G-D, while claiming g-d is on our side.

but i dare say, that no one wants to see or conclude. why our side established by G-D, has enemies established by G-D in opposition to our side. which tends to make either side, not look as good as they only pretend they are the superior. when only G-D, is all of our Superior. as we claim, TheVery Jealous G-D has nothing to do, with our jealously being here or appointed in momentary alleged charge.

yet mysteriously nothing goes, the way any nation wants. yet hang on to some illusion, we are in charge. even though, nothing is happening, the way the jews want, the christians want, the muslems want, or the secular wants. as we still pretend we are in charge, of what only G-D is in charge of for six full Torah Days. when i fear, that G-D would not put any of you incharge of what only HE is in charge of. when obviously nobody is in charge, cause we are all riding in the back seat causing a comotion.

MUQ wrote:

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Thanks for your comments, and such are your comments that do not help anyway in the study which I am putting forward.
Such type of expert comments take more space than they are worth.

rabbee: and also, with you.

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: and also, with you.

rabbee: the result of everyone, thinking they are qualified as astronauths. cause they took up, space in school.

sorry for the typo!

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: to the victors go the spoils, including the alleged right to re-write history. as nations that appear to have won on their own, re-write history as if they did this on their own unfortunatly. which generally ends in the tragity, of that nation being replaced by another. that allegedly won it, on their own and so on, etc... and i dare say, that most new nations write their history, as if G-D was never involved. even with the fleeting, g-d is on our side during the conflict. than all of a sudden, after the alleged resolution, "we did it" syndrome. eveh though during any conflict, very seldom is any one on TheSide of G-D, while claiming g-d is on our side.
but i dare say, that no one wants to see or conclude. why our side established by G-D, has enemies established by G-D in opposition to our side. which tends to make either side, not look as good as they only pretend they are the superior. when only G-D, is all of our Superior. as we claim, TheVery Jealous G-D has nothing to do, with our jealously being here or appointed in momentary alleged charge.
yet mysteriously nothing goes, the way any nation wants. yet hang on to some illusion, we are in charge. even though, nothing is happening, the way the jews want, the christians want, the muslems want, or the secular wants. as we still pretend we are in charge, of what only G-D is in charge of for six full Torah Days. when i fear, that G-D would not put any of you incharge of what only HE is in charge of. when obviously nobody is in charge, cause we are all riding in the back seat causing a comotion.

rabbee: oh! that same old, sarchasm of G-D. as their opposition to G-D, is appointed to meet against our opposition to G-D. yet with not one on earth to tell, the whole truth about it all here and now in TheTorah. as my search for this adam guy, that i only thought that G-D mistook me for is over. as i search no more, for who G-D came and said i am.

british no al-mandate a pre-conceived conspiracy...
tsss
Plo hamas and hezbollah are right; because the islam greater imperialist nationstate is established wherever a muslim set foot and thus could claim the land.
MUQ
Well given the disrespect for however flawed but still the proces in which the modern borders of souvereignity are demarkated, wouldn't it be justified then, that all countries allover the world would evict muslims, because they can sooner or later expect the terrorist tactics of such groups named above, that you support?

MUQ wrote:

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And please tell me "what is Bar Mitzvahs"?

I am reasonably confident they have Google even in Saudia Arabia.

HughBe wrote:

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As a child I used to hide in the closet when I played hide-and-seek but I have not done so as an adult.

You are so in the closet that when we speak to you, you have to move the hangars over first.

MAAT wrote:

british no al-mandate a pre-conceived conspiracy...
tsss
Plo hamas and hezbollah are right; because the islam greater imperialist nationstate is established wherever a muslim set foot and thus could claim the land.
MUQ
Well given the disrespect for however flawed but still the proces in which the modern borders of souvereignity are demarkated, wouldn't it be justified then, that all countries allover the world would evict muslims, because they can sooner or later expect the terrorist tactics of such groups named above, that you support?

rabbee: well arn't you being kind of hard, on canadians for not already evicting canadian muslems already. should we not evict, all canadian rats first. for being more, susceptable to cancer?

man! i just realized. now some fool is liable to accuse me of being a fundamentl canadian too.

MAAT wrote:

In short they don't have a clue as to what level of fluoridation is dangerous. Or even what amount.
And down-play fluoridosis as a solely cosmetic effect.
White spots are cosmetic but pits and brown spots are definitely not.
I would simply say 2 ppm are too much, but maybe that is allready the minimum in some states, naturally occuring.

From a practical perspective, it is a relatively simple thing to regulate public water fluoridation, but incrementally more difficult to regulate it as a cosmetic or drug or as a food, while taking into account additive affects from public drinking fluoridation. Remember, not everyone is on public drinking water - many people here have private sources where there is no fluoridation at all, so it is hard to estimate average population baseline. So it gets complicated pretty quickly.

But back to Volutarist - his claim is that there is excessive fluridation in the public water - and I have yet to see anything that supports that. If anything, the problem is dentistry and the other applications that get added on afterword.

He also alleges or implies that public drinking water fluoridation is toxic. So far there is nothing to support that either.

Probably what the EPA should do to play it safe is take it out of toothpaste and the other stuff, and leave it in the public water - that way target levels are more likely to be maintained without being exceeded.

MUQ wrote:

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Ans.
Thanks for your comments, and such are your comments that do not help anyway in the study which I am putting forward.
Such type of expert comments take more space than they are worth.

"study"?

- You are being a little generous in your description of whatever you are trying to accomplish here.

As far as my comments - you asked for them - please dont shoot the messenger

former res wrote:

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Google it, numnuts.

...and please tell me what is "numnuts".

(j/k)

Frijoles wrote:

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I am reasonably confident they have Google even in Saudia Arabia.

rabbee: well shouldn't we let the jews play too. after all, it is their bat.

but if google, yahoo, and microsoft is a yehoodah invention. whould they allow this, in saudi arabia?

and wouldn't this disallow, most medical advances?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/numbnuts

English[edit] Etymology
numb + nuts

Nounnumbnuts (plural numbnuts)

1.(chiefly US, slang, derogatory, sometimes humorous) A slow-witted, unresponsive, or inept person (usually male).
Tell numbnuts over there to wake up and pay attention to his work.

2.(US, military, slang, derogatory) A recruit who is unintelligent or difficult to train.
The drill instructor must have called him "numbnuts" fifty times today.

Usage notes"Numbnuts" is most commonly used as a form of address, as in "Hey, numbnuts!" However, the term sometimes has other noun functions, as in "I will defend you from numbnuts such as JamesM" ("The Big Gulp" by David Lansing, LA Times Calendarlive.com , 20 May 2007).

MUQ wrote:

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So PLO and HAMAS And HIZBOLLAH all are right and they are continuing that war, why you object?

Radicals can be defeated

Op-ed: Alan Dershowitz shares his insights on best approach to use against anti-Israel extremists

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-422...

Use extremism against radicals

About a year before that incident, I spoke to a full audience of students that included some of the same radicals that tried to shut Oren down. About 100 of them sat to my right. Another 100 or so students, wearing pro-Israel shirts and kipot, sat to my left. Several hundred additional students were in the middle - both literally and ideologically. I know that because I asked for a show of hands before I began my remarks.



I first asked for students to raise their hands if they generally support Israel. All the students to my left and several in the middle raised their hands. I then asked how many students supported the Palestinian side. All the students to my right and several in the middle raised their hands. I then posed the following question to the pro-Israel group:“How many of you would support a Palestinian state living in peace and without terrorism next to Israel?” Every single pro-Israel hand immediately went up. I then asked how many on the pro-Palestine side would accept a Jewish state within the 1967 borders, with no settlements on territory claimed by the Palestinians. There was some mumbling and brief conversation among the people to my right, but not a single hand was raised.



The debate was essentially over, as everyone in the middle now recognized that this was not a conflict between pro-Israel and pro-Palestine groups, but rather, a conflict between those who would accept a two-state solution and those who would reject any Jewish state anywhere in the Middle East. The pro-Israel view had prevailed because I was able to use the extremism of the anti-Israel group to demonstrate the ugly truth about Israel’s enemies to the large group of students in the middle with open minds.


I have now used this heuristic repeatedly on college campuses, and with considerable success. The lesson, I believe, is not to try to persuade irrational anti-Israel extremists, but rather, to use their extremism - which often includes anti-American and anti-Western extremism - against them and in favor of a reasonable and centrist pro-Israel position.

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: well shouldn't we let the jews play too. after all, it is their bat.
but if google, yahoo, and microsoft is a yehoodah invention. whould they allow this, in saudi arabia?
and wouldn't this disallow, most medical advances?

Sadly it is conceivable that MUQ is operating from a censored environment. And unlike the average Chineese, he doesnt get that he is being brainwashed as a result.

I wonder if MUQ's 'study' uses a statistically viable number of responces and what his neutral control-group looks like.

Frijoles wrote:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ numbnuts
English[edit] Etymology
numb + nuts
Nounnumbnuts (plural numbnuts)
1.(chiefly US, slang, derogatory, sometimes humorous) A slow-witted, unresponsive, or inept person (usually male).
Tell numbnuts over there to wake up and pay attention to his work.
2.(US, military, slang, derogatory) A recruit who is unintelligent or difficult to train.
The drill instructor must have called him "numbnuts" fifty times today.
Usage notes"Numbnuts" is most commonly used as a form of address, as in "Hey, numbnuts!" However, the term sometimes has other noun functions, as in "I will defend you from numbnuts such as JamesM" ("The Big Gulp" by David Lansing, LA Times Calendarlive.com , 20 May 2007).

rabbee: naw! the new recruits, have to work their way up from being maggots and green worms first. in order to deserve to be called, the higher order numbnut. then when they deserve it they(the drill instructor) may even call you private, numbnut. but generally you use the singular, numbnut, when zeroing in on an individual. even though all the other numbnuts must look up, to see if you are zeroing in on them. but then they know they have evolved, when you finally call them trainee, fire team, squad, platoon, company.

MAAT wrote:

I wonder if MUQ's 'study' uses a statistically viable number of responces and what his neutral control-group looks like.

I also wonder what type of distribution he uses. It has to be skewed by virtue of the fact that women are sequestered in his society.

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: naw! the new recruits, have to work their way up from being maggots and green worms first. in order to deserve to be called, the higher order numbnut. then when they deserve it they(the drill instructor) may even call you private, numbnut. but generally you use the singular, numbnut, when zeroing in on an individual. even though all the other numbnuts must look up, to see if you are zeroing in on them. but then they know they have evolved, when you finally call them trainee, fire team, squad, platoon, company.

Whats derogatory about being called a green worm? If I was a worm, I wouldnt want it any other way.

Plus worms often have sex with themselves. We could learn a lot from them in that regard.