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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#160954 Sep 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
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Hilary...?
I was refering to Palin.
Even without make-up and in a pantsuit, Hilary is more woman than that gun-totin' redneck tundra-billy of the north.
Doh! I apologize..I did it again...Clearly, I'm not too good at multi-tasking...I can blame my tiny screen, and I can blame distractions, but in the end, I'm not fully concentrating...sorry
jacques renault

Justice, IL

#160955 Sep 26, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
Hong Kong Billionaire Offers $65 Million To Any Man Who Can Woo His Gay Daughter http://www.businessinsider.com/cecil-chao-sze...
LMAO

she's worse than the two Roses
Frank Rizzo

Alhambra, CA

#160956 Sep 26, 2012
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>
Doh! I apologize..I did it again...Clearly, I'm not too good at multi-tasking...I can blame my tiny screen, and I can blame distractions, but in the end, I'm not fully concentrating...sorry
No worries.

“Formerly Frankie Rizzo”

Since: Sep 12

Canarsie, NY

#160957 Sep 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Hilary...?
I was refering to Palin.
Even without make-up and in a pantsuit, Hilary is more woman than that gun-totin' redneck tundra-billy of the north.
So it's ad hominen when he attacks Hillary but not when he attacks Palin. Got it.
SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#160958 Sep 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno,
Let me help you understand what those words really mean.
It is a declaration that men (and women) are born equal, and that it is the governments responsibilty to insure that they, the government, should never impose inequalities on the people.
What is beyond the control of the government, is not what the Constitution is about, but when it comes to government matters, the government must treat all citizens with equality and shall not infringe on a citizens rights to equal opportunity.
Now what a citizen does with that opportunity is entirely up to the citizen.
Well said!
Tata

Westminster, CA

#160959 Sep 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno,
Let me help you understand what those words really mean.
It is a declaration that men (and women) are born equal, and that it is the governments responsibilty to insure that they, the government, should never impose inequalities on the people.
What is beyond the control of the government, is not what the Constitution is about, but when it comes to government matters, the government must treat all citizens with equality and shall not infringe on a citizens rights to equal opportunity.
Now what a citizen does with that opportunity is entirely up to the citizen.
Like I said the gay cult changes the true meanning to suit themselves. You just can't stand the truth ...
Frank Rizzo

Alhambra, CA

#160960 Sep 26, 2012
Mike DiRucci wrote:
<quoted text>
So it's ad hominen when he attacks Hillary but not when he attacks Palin. Got it.
No. It's just funny when I attack Palin.

And had you been following the discussion, you would know that I had defended Palin against those who would mock her for writing her speech notes on her hand.

However, that these note were inane, that's an entirely different matter, and one for which she should be mocked.
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#160961 Sep 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Hilary...?
I was refering to Palin.
Even without make-up and in a pantsuit, Hilary is more woman than that gun-totin' redneck tundra-billy of the north.
Frank
I agree..Hillary? Were you refering to the grass skirt she was wearing recently in the Cook Islands while the Middle east burned? The difference is the gun girl of the north is not making decisions like being on high alert on Sept. 11, she is enjoying her life and it shows looking at her compared to looking at the old angry hag unless she is laughing at the death of Ghadafi


Riccardo
Frank Rizzo

Alhambra, CA

#160962 Sep 26, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Frank
I agree..Hillary? Were you refering to the grass skirt she was wearing recently in the Cook Islands while the Middle east burned? The difference is the gun girl of the north is not making decisions like being on high alert on Sept. 11, she is enjoying her life and it shows looking at her compared to looking at the old angry hag unless she is laughing at the death of Ghadafi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Fgcd1ghag5YXX
Riccardo
Ms. Clinton was in Washington on Sept. 11.

You can check her schedule here:

http://still4hill.com/2012/09/11/secretary-hi...

Is everything you state based on a bald-faced lie?
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#160965 Sep 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ms. Clinton was in Washington on Sept. 11.
You can check her schedule here:
http://still4hill.com/2012/09/11/secretary-hi...
Is everything you state based on a bald-faced lie?
Frank
I agree on Sept 11 she was back from her trip to settle things in the Cook Islands. That kind of makes it look worst as to why nobody in the great non racist obama administration could have taken any warnings or put their overseas staff on high alert on that date? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/se... Clinton announces $32m (£20m) in new US programmes. We are worried that China might be investing in the Cook Islands....lol....I know Americans were praying for her trip to be a success. http://www.cinews.co.ck/2012/September/Wed05/...

Riccardo
RiccardoFire

Elk Grove, CA

#160966 Sep 26, 2012
Tata

Westminster, CA

#160967 Sep 26, 2012
SpongeBob wrote:
<quoted text>
Just what is Gay Cult 101???
Are you talking about this guy?
THE CULT OF HOMOSEXUALITY
By Dr. P. Bradley Carey
When anyone speaks out against or criticizes the things that the homosexuals are doing, right away they accuse the person of being homophobic. This simply is not true. Christians are not to fear or hate anyone. We are to love all people and hate sin.
The followers of the cult of homosexuality are doing one thing, compounding their condemnation with one sin upon another.
And anyone who does not take a stand against them will join in their condemnation.
Is this what your talking about?
Gays typically respond to a question with a question. Gays generally will change the wording or ones response to suit there way of thinking. Gays refuse to reason with what is a negative to there way of thinking. Gays have much to convince to the general public that SSM is as normal a hetero marriages. Like I have always said, I don't dislike the gay person themselves, I'm just not one who wants to pay for the ideas they bring to the table. There will be a dumb gay responding to this explanation by saying I'm a hater and homophobe; they just don't respond to ones reasoning very well.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#160968 Sep 26, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Why are so many fundies racists? Don't you believe god created us all?
The problem is that there are far too many fundies that are dumb enough to think that the curse of Ham is what created black people. That is the problem of taking myths as factual. When you start with nonsense as your basis, you can only reach nonsense conclusions.
SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#160969 Sep 26, 2012
Tata wrote:
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Gays typically respond to a question with a question. Gays generally will change the wording or ones response to suit there way of thinking. Gays refuse to reason with what is a negative to there way of thinking. Gays have much to convince to the general public that SSM is as normal a hetero marriages. Like I have always said, I don't dislike the gay person themselves, I'm just not one who wants to pay for the ideas they bring to the table. There will be a dumb gay responding to this explanation by saying I'm a hater and homophobe; they just don't respond to ones reasoning very well.
That is a really prejudiced statement. So you've had a lot of communication with gays and they always ask questions....

I was taught to question EVERYTHING, especially anyone who acts authoritative,(like religious people)...then you don't get to push me around. So if as you say, gays ask questions, I think it's a good thing. And yes, I do believe you are a homophobe, at which point you will have to believe I'm gay...because I don't respond "correctly" to your BullS#!T...????

See why the ACLU is so important? What are you doing on this thread?...I'm here to defend the Constitutional rights of gays...What's your agenda?

Is that enough questions for you?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#160970 Sep 26, 2012
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Gods shoeshine.
Well, of course the Bible says no such thing, although it may well be true that God did create the earth no more than 6,000 years ago. You are hanging your hat on Bishop Usher's genealogical record as recorded in the Bible to determine the date when Adam was created.
No, we know that the Earth itself is well over 4 billion years old, not 6,000. Humans have been areound for a lot more than a mere 6,000 years.
Ronald wrote:
According to Usher's calculation, Adam was created in 4,004 B.C.*(including his 4 year mathematical calculation error)* in accordance with the Biblical genealogical record. The KJV translated that God created various episodes in periods of "days", when a more accurate translation would read "eons" or "periods". The inspired Word of the living God does not reveal how long those periods were as measured by time that God had created.
No, the Bible says days, "And the evening and the morning were the first day." Eons do not have an evening and a morning...

But then, myths should NEVER be taken TOO seriously. First off, you end up believing in silly delusions, and secondly, you end up totally missing the point of the myth.
Ronald wrote:
Recent scientific discoveries indicate that c has actually decayed to be as much as one millions times slower than it was at the time of creation. This would seem to conform to "The Big Bang Theory" whereby God's creation expanded outward at speeds unbelievably greater than the speed of light. Therefore, it is entirely possible that God created the earth 6000 years ago in terms of the 24 hour day as we know it today, even were one to make the unscientific observation that c is constant throughout time. The fact is though, that even in historical times, following Romer measuring the time it took for light to arrive at earth after being reflected off one of Jupiter's moons in 1675 through subsequent measurements, light has been scientifically proven to be slowing. Its an unimportant point. Any resolution of this matter can - of necessity - be mere conjecture on our part. As René Descartes noted long ago:
"I think, therefore I am".
Source: http://tinyurl.com/644svj
Ronald
Sheer, total, and utter bull feces. There is no "evidence" claiming that light has slowed down.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#160971 Sep 26, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
Under the original intent of the Constitution the 2nd Amendment was only a restriction on the Federal Government. The States were free to restrict or even ban weapons if they so chose.
You might want to study U.S.history someday...

The Constitution was written to give the federal government real power that was not available under the original Articles of Confederation. Some people feared that this power went too far, prompting the writing of the Bill of Rights. While it took a later amendment to spell it out in unambiguous terms, there is nothing in the Constitution that hints that States can actually deny American citizens their rights.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#160972 Sep 26, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
Liar? So there is "Separation of Church and State" in the Constitution?
Show me:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Yup, still not there..
And the letter, which people like you consistently take out of context, was Jefferson telling the Danbury Baptists that there wasn't a damn thing he could do about their grievances, as the Federal Government was PREVENTED from doing so under the 1st Amendment. There was no Constitutional separation of church and state, Congress simply wasn't allowed to pass a law establishing a national religion, the States were free to do whatever they pleased. And they did, until 1961, when the SCOTUS decided it knew better than the very men who drafted the document.
Do any of you actually study history anymore, or is everything you know from a text book?
Our sentiments are uniformly on the side of religious liberty: that Religion is at all times and places a matter between God and individuals, that no man ought to suffer in name, person, or effects on account of his religious opinions,[and] that the legitimate power of civil government extends no further than to punish the man who works ill to his neighbor. But sir, our constitution of government is not specific. Our ancient charter, together with the laws made coincident therewith, were adapted as the basis of our government at the time of our revolution. And such has been our laws and usages, and such still are,[so] that Religion is considered as the first object of Legislation, and therefore what religious privileges we enjoy (as a minor part of the State) we enjoy as favors granted, and not as inalienable rights. And these favors we receive at the expense of such degrading acknowledgments, as are inconsistent with the rights of freemen.
Letter of Oct. 7, 1801 from Danbury (CT) Baptist Assoc. to Thomas Jefferson,
Thomas Jefferson Papers, Manuscript Division,
Library of Congress, Wash. D.C.

In response to this, Jefferson wrote:
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature would "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert E. Bergh, ed.(Washington, D. C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association of the United States, 1904), Vol. XVI, pp. 281-282.
Frank Rizzo

Alhambra, CA

#160973 Sep 26, 2012
Tata wrote:
<quoted text>
Gays typically respond to a question with a question. Gays generally will change the wording or ones response to suit there way of thinking. Gays refuse to reason with what is a negative to there way of thinking. Gays have much to convince to the general public that SSM is as normal a hetero marriages. Like I have always said, I don't dislike the gay person themselves, I'm just not one who wants to pay for the ideas they bring to the table. There will be a dumb gay responding to this explanation by saying I'm a hater and homophobe; they just don't respond to ones reasoning very well.
Bruno,

When people ask you questions, they want to better understand your reasoning and perspective.

If you can't answer these questions, perhaps you've reached a conclusion without fully exploring the issue and perhaps you have no back-up to that conclusion.
Insane Clown Posse

West Covina, CA

#160974 Sep 26, 2012
Insane Clown Posse, oh you mean the GOP / Republican / Tea Party Nation member's.
SpongeBob

Staten Island, NY

#160975 Sep 26, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Bruno,
When people ask you questions, they want to better understand your reasoning and perspective.
If you can't answer these questions, perhaps you've reached a conclusion without fully exploring the issue and perhaps you have no back-up to that conclusion.
You're soooo kind and reasonable; talking like my Dad...Sometimes I just lose it with intellectual skinheads....I have to be careful, because now when you go for a job, they check out your "computer life".....

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