Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Colin The Zionist wrote:

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Curse YHWH as much as you like, it is you who will have to explain yourself when you stand before Him in judgement.

LOL.

i don't give a fcuk for YHVH or Hashem.

The Demon is on his way out and so are you.

Voluntarist wrote:

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People wouldn't invite him as a speaker if he was a nobody and anyone who talks into large crowds who are listening can be quite influential.
I know it is important to you to be the superior intellectual in the group it is part of your identity.
But you are just a human you are no better than me or anyone else posting here, you eat and crap just like everyone else.
So after 3 days do you have ADD and can't remember the original argument?
We can rehash if you like and you can concede that I was right and we can move on.

One of the problems here is that you think we are having an argument.

There is no real argument on my side.

To have an argument, both people have to have conflicting views. I keep asking you what your view really is.

All I know is that you think Ted Turner is influential. I reported a long time ago that he did in fact make some comments, and I have opined that public speakers have audiences (Duh!).

So the question at hand is, what does this mean?

Are you trying to say that because Ted Turner makes controversial remarks that there is some popular global movement at foot to depopulate the world?

Because if that IS what you are getting at, I WOULD disagree with that. There is no evidence - and I am sorry - speeches at public forums are not strong evidence. Talk is cheap. Talk by media moguls is even cheaper.

Show me the money.

Frijoles wrote:

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So what was your point?
You cited Turner. Myself and others questioned the context.
Regarding "influential", I think we have covered that.
Regarding why Turner might be invited, I guess his entertainment value is not an attribute that a serious paranoid would ever consider.

Based on your words above you have already covered the point about Ted Turner's influence. I did not see your comments on the matter and so could you please repeat them form me.

HughBe wrote:

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Based on your words above you have already covered the point about Ted Turner's influence. I did not see your comments on the matter and so could you please repeat them form me.

I agree. I already opined on the matter.

As far as the conversation - you are free to scroll back.

Frijoles wrote:

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I agree. I already opined on the matter.
As far as the conversation - you are free to scroll back.

I take it that you regard the repetition as involving too much work. In my mind you could have just said he is influential or he is not influential and both would have been shorter than your response above.

"Robert Edward "Ted" Turner III (born November 19, 1938[2]) is an American media mogul and philanthropist. As a businessman, he is known as founder of the cable news network CNN, the first dedicated 24-hour cable news channel. In addition, he founded WTBS, which pioneered the superstation concept in cable television. As a philanthropist, he is known for his $1 billion gift to support UN causes, which created the United Nations Foundation, a public charity to broaden support for the UN. Turner serves as Chairman of the United Nations Foundation board of directors.[3]
Turner's media empire began with his father's billboard business, which he took over at 24 after his father's suicide.[4] The business, Turner Outdoor Advertising, was worth $1 million when Turner took it over in 1963. Purchase of an Atlanta UHF station in 1970 began the Turner Broadcasting System. Cable News Network revolutionized news media, covering the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster in 1986 and the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Turner turned the Atlanta Braves baseball team into a nationally popular franchise and launched the charitable Goodwill Games. He helped reinvent interest in professional wrestling when he owned one of the most popular wrestling companies of the middle to late 1990s known as World Championship Wrestling (WCW). The Monday night show that it put on was the highest rated on cable and helped boost Turner's channels of TNT and WTBS."

Certainly the man Turner is NOT influential. If he was a garbage collector then he would have been INFLUENTIAL.

HughBe wrote:

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Former----I think the "Sex Addiction" shows were the ones that I couln't quite wrap me head around
HughBe--- Is it because your HEAD does not have the requisite length?
Have a blessed Sabbath. I'm off to church.

You were a day early.

Unless you're Jewish.

former res wrote:

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You were a day early.
Unless you're Jewish.

1. Do some stretching in order to increase length.
2. The ONLY foundation of Christianity is Jewish there is NO other foundation. All other foundations are LIES and DECEPTION and FRAUDULENT.
3. The Sabbath is NOT Jewish. It is God's Sabbath.

HughBe wrote:

Certainly the man Turner is NOT influential. If he was a garbage collector then he would have been INFLUENTIAL.

Ms Laziness, the question was never whether he was influential.

The question was whether there is an organized global movement at foot to depopulate the world (strongest position) or whether there is an organized global movement ar foot to ADVOCATE depopulating the world (weaker position). One man, universally known historically as an outspoken crackpot, does not make a movement, IMO

Now, IF you feel you want to participate in this discussion, feel free to scroll back. Its free. Volunteerist, like most fanatics on thses forums, moves the goal posts once he is seriously challenged.

HughBe wrote:

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3. The Sabbath is NOT Jewish. It is God's Sabbath.

LOL.

You mean that this bloodthirsty Asura or Demon, who the Jews and Christians worship, demands that one day be set aside in the week when his followers should compulsorily pray to him so as to puff up his pride and megalomania.

LOL.

Frijoles wrote:

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One of the problems here is that you think we are having an argument.
There is no real argument on my side.
To have an argument, both people have to have conflicting views. I keep asking you what your view really is.
All I know is that you think Ted Turner is influential. I reported a long time ago that he did in fact make some comments, and I have opined that public speakers have audiences (Duh!).
So the question at hand is, what does this mean?
Are you trying to say that because Ted Turner makes controversial remarks that there is some popular global movement at foot to depopulate the world?
Because if that IS what you are getting at, I WOULD disagree with that. There is no evidence - and I am sorry - speeches at public forums are not strong evidence. Talk is cheap. Talk by media moguls is even cheaper.
Show me the money.

Yes there is an argument, I see that you are having trouble paying attention.

My statement was that there are powerful and influential people advocating for the elimination of population.

And you stated that was a crack pot conspiracy theory.
You are wrong, factually that is a true statement and Ted Turner is only 1 example.

Just like there are powerful people advancing the idea of a world government.

You do this all of the time, first you state that its a crack pot conspiracy theory and then you end up saying so what no big deal.

HUGH:

1) Whether you believe or don't believe, whether you pray or don't pray, whether you observe the shabbat or not, whether you sing his praises or not, whether you abuse your g-d or not, none of this counts and none of this will have any tangible or intangible effects in your life but at the same time i must warn you that perverse beliefs and the worshipping of a demon will warp your consciousness.

2) What counts is psychological and genetic soundness and karma in terms of being good, doing good, cultivating discrimination and restraint and compassion and selflessness and equanimity and resourcefulness and fair-mindedness and the like - these are the only measures of your true worth and capacity and these parameters will determine what will happen to you in keeping with the causal laws.

3) Beliefs count for nothing.

4) Here's a serious warning - if you put into practice the sinister aspects of your beliefs that derive from evil books like the Hebrew Bible then you will have to pay a very heavy price that will cause a great setback to the evolution of your psychic.

5) The laughable fact is that you have no real inner experiences or direct proof of the reality or of the nature of truth or of the essence of self and yet you keep making emphatic statements regarding beliefs based on scripture that are filled with evil.

So, take care....

Frijoles wrote:

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Ms Laziness, the question was never whether he was influential.
The question was whether there is an organized global movement at foot to depopulate the world (strongest position) or whether there is an organized global movement ar foot to ADVOCATE depopulating the world (weaker position). One man, universally known historically as an outspoken crackpot, does not make a movement, IMO
Now, IF you feel you want to participate in this discussion, feel free to scroll back. Its free. Volunteerist, like most fanatics on thses forums, moves the goal posts once he is seriously challenged.

You see how you can't pay attention, boy your ADD is in overdrive.

There are powerful AND influential people advancing ideas and promoting policy advocating for population reduction.

Many of these same people are also advocating for a world governing body / world government.
Very dangerous.

HughBe wrote:

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1. Do some stretching in order to increase length.

You seem preoccupied with my man parts. Should I be flattered?

HughBe wrote:

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2. The ONLY foundation of Christianity is Jewish there is NO other foundation. All other foundations are LIES and DECEPTION and FRAUDULENT.

Agreed. Christianity clearly arose from Judaism. Just look at the Old Testament of the Christian bible.

HughBe wrote:

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3. The Sabbath is NOT Jewish. It is God's Sabbath.

Saturday is the sabboth for Jews;
Sunday for Christians.

I guess you're Jewish. Shalom.

Voluntarist wrote:

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You see how you can't pay attention, boy your ADD is in overdrive.
There are powerful AND influential people advancing ideas and promoting policy advocating for population reduction.
Many of these same people are also advocating for a world governing body / world government.
Very dangerous.

Evidence from a credible link, please

By the way, singular people making quotations do not make a movement

Voluntarist wrote:

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Yes there is an argument, I see that you are having trouble paying attention.
My statement was that there are powerful and influential people advocating for the elimination of population.
And you stated that was a crack pot conspiracy theory.
You are wrong, factually that is a true statement and Ted Turner is only 1 example.
Just like there are powerful people advancing the idea of a world government.
You do this all of the time, first you state that its a crack pot conspiracy theory and then you end up saying so what no big deal.

Yes, perspective is obviously a challenge for you

Individuals do not matter. Movements matter.

Provide me with evidence of an existence of a One World GOvernment Movement Which Advocates for Extreme Methods for Population Reduction.

I'll even offer you a definition to work off of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_movement

Social movements are a type of group action. They are large informal groupings of individuals or organizations which focus on specific political or social issues. In other words, they carry out, resist or undo a social change.

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NOTE : Informal "Groupings"

Frijoles wrote:

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Evidence from a credible link, please
By the way, singular people making quotations do not make a movement

Lets narrow the issue now, you are like a prosecutor swaying the issue.

So you concede now there is 1 powerful influential person that believes in population reduction and elimination and also in a world government.

Frijoles wrote:

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Yes, perspective is obviously a challenge for you
Individuals do not matter. Movements matter.
Provide me with evidence of an existence of a One World GOvernment Movement Which Advocates for Extreme Methods for Population Reduction.

No that isn't a challenge.

Movements are started by individuals.

But that isn't the argument nor my statement.