Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Frijoles wrote:

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I hate to say it, but you would probably have to spell that one out for MUQ.

He is still a hindi, so i think he allready has a perfect understanding, however being a muslim he is bound to his left-hand.

Maybe he wears a glove?

SeasideSoon wrote:
US Senate Redefines 'Palestinian Refugee'
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.a ...
The US State Department and Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan are trying to block a Senate bill that would require an accurate accounting of how many 'Palestinian refugees' receive American aid dollars.
The push came after the US Senate Appropriations Committee approved on Thursday language that would distinguish between Arabs who fled Israel in 48 and their descendants.
Using the new language, the US definition of who is a 'Palestinian refugee' would drop from 5 million to 30,000, which could directly impact the 1.2 billion in aid dollars the US pumps into the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) agency each year.
[...]Globally, all other refugees receive assistance from the UN High Commission for Refugees, which conforms to international conventions and does not confer refugee status on the descendents of refugees.
[...]"The amendment demands basic transparency with regard to who receives U.S. taxpayer assistance," .
Jordan – where large portions of UNRWA expenditures go to the so-called refugee camps in Jordan – is also lobbying the Senate not to amend the appropriations bill.
[...]The so-called 'right of Return is a 'right' many claim had been contrived to further the 'Palestinian cause' and de-legitimize the State of Israel, is one of the thorniest issues in the conflict and continually results in a stalemate in negotiations.

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Under Obama America is starting to get wise to the world.

If descendents take citizenship they are automatically entitled to jobs and all that goes along with citizenship.
A lot choose to not do so and remain a burden on Arab and western states, and in a sense foreign threat even though most have family that did claim citizenship or frankly had it all along.

MAAT wrote:

SeasideSoon wrote:
US Senate Redefines 'Palestinian Refugee'
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.a ...
The US State Department and Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan are trying to block a Senate bill that would require an accurate accounting of how many 'Palestinian refugees' receive American aid dollars.
The push came after the US Senate Appropriations Committee approved on Thursday language that would distinguish between Arabs who fled Israel in 48 and their descendants.
Using the new language, the US definition of who is a 'Palestinian refugee' would drop from 5 million to 30,000, which could directly impact the 1.2 billion in aid dollars the US pumps into the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA) agency each year.
[...]Globally, all other refugees receive assistance from the UN High Commission for Refugees, which conforms to international conventions and does not confer refugee status on the descendents of refugees.
[...]"The amendment demands basic transparency with regard to who receives U.S. taxpayer assistance," .
Jordan – where large portions of UNRWA expenditures go to the so-called refugee camps in Jordan – is also lobbying the Senate not to amend the appropriations bill.
[...]The so-called 'right of Return is a 'right' many claim had been contrived to further the 'Palestinian cause' and de-legitimize the State of Israel, is one of the thorniest issues in the conflict and continually results in a stalemate in negotiations.
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Under Obama America is starting to get wise to the world.

UNRWA is a big expensive joke on the Palestinians.

"SOMETIMES UNRWA will simply deny its internal critics even existed. In 1952 Lt.-Gen. Sir Alexander Galloway, a noted British soldier-diplomat who was then UNRWA director in Jordan, made what was to become a famous statement to a group of visiting American church leaders:“It is perfectly clear than the Arab nations do not want to solve the Arab refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront against the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don’t give a damn whether the refugees live or die.”

"In an op-ed in the same year Galloway was even more blunt about UNRWA:“Staff begets more staff. Plan follows plan. Typewriters click. Brochures and statistics pour out. The refugees remain and eat, and complain and breed; while a game of political ‘last touch’ goes on between the local governments and the director, UNRWA.”"
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributor...

Apparently everybody knows the situation except the Palestinians. But as long as liberalism-on-crack rules, we keep paying.

SeasideSoon wrote:

<quoted text>UNRWA is a big expensive joke on the Palestinians.
"SOMETIMES UNRWA will simply deny its internal critics even existed. In 1952 Lt.-Gen. Sir Alexander Galloway, a noted British soldier-diplomat who was then UNRWA director in Jordan, made what was to become a famous statement to a group of visiting American church leaders:“It is perfectly clear than the Arab nations do not want to solve the Arab refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront against the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don’t give a damn whether the refugees live or die.”
"In an op-ed in the same year Galloway was even more blunt about UNRWA:“Staff begets more staff. Plan follows plan. Typewriters click. Brochures and statistics pour out. The refugees remain and eat, and complain and breed; while a game of political ‘last touch’ goes on between the local governments and the director, UNRWA.”"
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributor...
Apparently everybody knows the situation except the Palestinians. But as long as liberalism-on-crack rules, we keep paying.

I found it very telling that the same directors for west-africa and the Ethiopia and the Sudan declared it to dangerous to interfere in 20 million people dying, thus stating Africa a lost cause to then go as the muslims they were to positions and luxurious safe appartments in f.i. Syria to manage the UNRWA.
Under muslims the UN has failed in it's main task of providing humanitarian assistance to the rest of the world and let the problem spiral out of control.
No wonder it remains under discussion whether muslim countries should be excluded from the UN since they can't recognize a human being unless it has muslim printed on it's forehead, nor have they ever subscribed to any convention!

ANALYSIS OF JESUS' STATEMENT:

Remember Jesus' words -

"He who fights by the sword will be killed by the sword."

COMMENTS:

If we employ rigid and direct yardsticks of evaluating the above remark made by Jesus, then, we'll have to assume that the person murdered was himself a murderer either in this life or in some earlier life.

This is not true and forever ties a person in the rigid bonds of karma without hope of release.

Karma is not a rigid mechanical law but is highly plastic and depends on numerous factors and their close interaction.

That remark attributed to Jesus is superficial and misleading to say the least.

The law of rigid and direct causation - a case of tit for tat - does not apply in human affairs where several subtle and evolving factors come into the play.

If a man kills another, does it mean that the murderer gets killed in return as suggested by Jesus?

Not necessarily.

The assassin's accumulated mental, vital and physical karmas stretch back to several existences. Besides, he goes on accumulating fresh karma each minute and so the load of his cumulative karmas keeps enlarging and the outcomes keep getting rearranged due to this fact.

So, the outcome of his action of killing a person will be determined by the interaction of these numerous lines of karmas over time and in installments.

All that can be said is that there will occur a devolution in the murderer's consciousness due to the murder he has committed that will surface either in this existence or after many existences depending on how strong his cumulative karmas are and with what motive he killed the person.

In most cases, a murderer does not get killed by someone else in this birth or in some other existence.

He suffers but in ways that could be emotional, mental or physical (diseases) or due to torment in the vital worlds after death and could be reborn in a family of criminals or in difficult surroundings.

So, Jesus is incorrect.

Bye.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

ANALYSIS OF JESUS' STATEMENT:
Remember Jesus' words -
"He who fights by the sword will be killed by the sword."
COMMENTS:
If we employ rigid and direct yardsticks of evaluating the above remark made by Jesus, then, we'll have to assume that the person murdered was himself a murderer either in this life or in some earlier life.
This is not true and forever ties a person in the rigid bonds of karma without hope of release.
Karma is not a rigid mechanical law but is highly plastic and depends on numerous factors and their close interaction.
That remark attributed to Jesus is superficial and misleading to say the least.
The law of rigid and direct causation - a case of tit for tat - does not apply in human affairs where several subtle and evolving factors come into the play.
If a man kills another, does it mean that the murderer gets killed in return as suggested by Jesus?
Not necessarily.
The assassin's accumulated mental, vital and physical karmas stretch back to several existences. Besides, he goes on accumulating fresh karma each minute and so the load of his cumulative karmas keeps enlarging and the outcomes keep getting rearranged due to this fact.
So, the outcome of his action of killing a person will be determined by the interaction of these numerous lines of karmas over time and in installments.
All that can be said is that there will occur a devolution in the murderer's consciousness due to the murder he has committed that will surface either in this existence or after many existences depending on how strong his cumulative karmas are and with what motive he killed the person.
In most cases, a murderer does not get killed by someone else in this birth or in some other existence.
He suffers but in ways that could be emotional, mental or physical (diseases) or due to torment in the vital worlds after death and could be reborn in a family of criminals or in difficult surroundings.
So, Jesus is incorrect.

rabbee: well if you murderers, were doing as G-D said. then you murdereres, would not pick up swords to commit murder-suicide. for those who do not believe in TheG-D of TheTorah, actually here in TheTorah. give aid and support, to the murder-genocide of the world. and that makes you, a murderer too. just because every one else, in the world is lying. is not justification, for you to lie also. since lies give, aid and comfort to all the enemies of G-D.

and you shall never even, have a chance at truth. if you are never here in TheTorah, to even have the chance to be true. truth is not relative to you, pretending not here in TheTorah. all truth is relative, to G-D here in TheTorah. lies only support the near destruction, of this whole world. every time G-D, gives this very same again story. it is genocide-murder, to pretend we are never here in TheTorah.

How's Ma?

(smiles)

Can You Pass The Israel Palestinian test? Part 22A

By Jeffrey Rudolph

Q22.

Who wrote the following passage, in an article in one of Israel’s leading newspapers, in 2002?“The Six-Day War was forced upon us; however, the war's seventh day, which began on June 12, 1967 and has continued to this day, is the product of our choice.

We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.”

Ans. 22.

Michael Ben-Yair: Israel's Attorney-General, 1993-1996.

(CONTD.)

Revisiting 9/11/2001 --Applying the Scientific Method, Dr. Steven E. Jones Part-18

The World Trade Center Dust and the Message of its Iron-rich Micro-spheres

90. The provenience of the dust sample used in my study is from an apartment at 113 Cedar St. in New York City. This fourth-floor apartment was the residence of Janette MacKinlay, and was approximately 100 meters or so from the closest Tower, the South Tower.

During the collapse of the South Tower on 9/11/2001, the windows of this apartment broke and the apartment was flooded with dust. About a week later, she re-entered the apartment and began clean-up and preserved some of the dust in her apartment.

91. In this way, the dust represents a snapshot of the WTC collapse, for the dust came from the collapsing Towers and was collected before much clean-up began. Even though the Towers were some distance away, too far for any significant debris from the clean-up operations which were just beginning to accidentally contaminate the apartment, yet they were close enough for the windows to break due to the debris of the South Tower collapse and for the apartment to be filled with collapse generated dust.

92. Janette told me that she had a sense, almost a spiritual or reverential feeling (knowing the origin of the dust) to preserve some of it, which she did, placing dust from her apartment into a plastic bag.

My first 9/11-related paper appeared on-line in November 2005, and Janette MacKinlay soon learned from it that I was seeking WTC dust and other samples for study. She contacted me and sent me a small sample by mail. Later, I traveled to her new residence in California and obtained a second small sample in the presence of other scientists.

These samples have been analyzed using electron microprobe methods, both WDS and X-EDS. The analysis continues to the date of this writing. The dust contains a great deal of information regarding its origin and is proving extremely useful as we puzzle out the meaning of 9/11.

93. I collected iron-rich particles in the dust by pulling a magnet across the outside of a plastic bag containing the dust, pulling upwards to the top the magnetic material and pulling this aside for further analysis. These magnetic particles were, as one might expect, rich in iron. There was a surprising amount of this iron-rich material. Although others have reported the presence of iron-rich particles in the dust

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1165/508OF05-116...

94., I was surprised to find the abundance of spherical particles in this iron-rich component some of which were considerably larger than previously reported. It was exciting to me to find for the first time iron-rich spheres up to about 1.5 mm in diameter in a 32.1-gram sample of dust.

95. The iron-rich component of the WTC dust sample was analyzed in some detail by scanning electron microscopy (SEM) and x-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (X-EDS). Using the scanning electron microscope, we found that much of the iron-rich dust was in fact composed of roughly spherical particles – micro-spheres.

The presence of metallic micro-spheres implies that these metals were once molten, so that surface tension pulled the droplets into a roughly spherical shape. Then the molten droplets solidified in air, preserving the information that they were once molten in the spherical shape as well as chemical information.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200... (Contd.)

Synopsis of Part 18

WTC- Dust tells its tale:

1. Why would FEMA and NIST be interested in the dust samples from WTC site?

2. They had their minds occupied with more important matters.

3. But some people collected dust from WTC towers, as it entered into their apartments. These samples were collected within days of collapse and were from WTC itself.

4. They were not due to any salvage or clearing the site operation, that were taken after wards.

Any comments please!!

QUESTION:

How does mind impact the physical being?

QUESTION:

Why do we need sense-instruments like the eyes, nose, tongue, skin and ears when it's obvious that it is the subliminal consciousness that sees, smells, tastes, feels and hears?

NOTES ALONG THE WAY:

1) From chaos to cosmos and from cosmos to chaos is a dualistic movement.

2) Perfect balance in which neither chaos nor cosmos manifests is a stato-dynamic equilibrium.

3) Each universe is based on a certain number of attributes and a specific grade of substance that in its essence is a range of a materialized consciousness-force. There is a hierarchy of one universe involved in or rising above another universe. This is the true meaning of the principle of parallel universes. The supramental encompasses the 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th parallel universes.

4) There exist 14 senses in a human being but in those living in the ordinary consciousness only 5 of these senses are partially activated.

5) A yogi can live in an elevated plane of consciousness and force above the head and can direct the brain and organs from this station outside the body.

6) If the higher consciousness-force settles in the body then one can see, hear, taste, smell and feel through any part of the body. I have experienced this condition on a couple of occasions in the past.

7) Go for the holonic view. Yes, the part contains the whole and the whole is concentrated in the part.

8) One atom, one universe.

9) At an advanced stage in the yoga, the yogi completely dispenses with the brain and organ systems and subsists and functions entirely in and through the higher consciousness and force.

Bye, kidz.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

How's Ma?
(smiles)

I was with your mom last night.

Wild woman.

She says hello.

former res wrote:

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I was with your mom last night.
Wild woman.
She says hello.

You are wrong?

He was born without any human mother.

That is how False Yogis come into this world.

You got entangled with some "Wrong" women partner, are you sure she was a "Women"?

MUQ wrote:

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You are wrong?
He was born without any human mother.
That is how False Yogis come into this world.
You got entangled with some "Wrong" women partner, are you sure she was a "Women"?

"Women" is plural. I believe you meant the "Woman", unless, of course, you really meant it to be plural, in which case, I salute you, former res.

former res wrote:

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I was with your mom last night.

My dad and mom expired years ago.