Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

dances with weebles wrote:

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no... you referenced saul of tarsus who wrote about 85% of the new testament by forgery, fraud, plagiarism, lies, deceit and murder.
maybe a good solid history course would help you out,

Steve wrote:

Every politician and citizen in this country believes in "civil unions", giving gays every right a straight married couple has currently.

Steve wrote:

Every politician and citizen in this country believes in "civil unions", giving gays every right a straight married couple has currently. BUT, the gay community demanded to use the "M" word, marriage.
The irony of this struggle, is that had the gay community just accepted the term "civil unions", no doubt fifteen to twenty years from now, the American people would say, "Civil union, marriage, civil union, marriage... Oh hell, let's just call it Marriage!"
But unfortunately, the gay community had to have it all, right up front, regardless of anyone else's feelings. Kind of sad, I think.

Marengo Jon wrote:

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Civil unions AREN'T the same as marriage. W

Steve wrote:

Every politician and citizen in this country believes in "civil unions", giving gays every right a straight married couple has currently. BUT, the gay community demanded to use the "M" word, marriage.
The irony of this struggle, is that had the gay community just accepted the term "civil unions", no doubt fifteen to twenty years from now, the American people would say, "Civil union, marriage, civil union, marriage... Oh hell, let's just call it Marriage!"
But unfortunately, the gay community had to have it all, right up front, regardless of anyone else's feelings. Kind of sad, I think.

KiMare wrote:

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Your judgment of Paul doesn't change the point, does it?
We were not arguing the validity of NT authors, we were questioning the validity of your title. Did you conveniently forget that?

KiMare wrote:

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The only place in the Bible a pastor is clearly delineated is in the passage I noted.
Nothing you or anyone else has said changes that reality.
Anyone who sets themselves up as a 'pastor' apart from those qualifications is simply making up their own religion. That is fine, just don't call it Christianity.

KiMare wrote:

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That's because gay couples aren't the same as hetro.

dances with weebles wrote:

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the entire point is that you are trying to use a known liar, murderer, fraud, heretic, and plagiarist to attempt to explain what makes a pastor, and what makes a christian. it can't be done. are you trying to say that every pastor in the world who doesn't follow the teachings of saul of tarsus is a phony?

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dances with weebles wrote:

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how are they different?

KiMare wrote:

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If you are a Christian pastor, where does the Bible qualify you?
It's a simple question. I keep asking and you keep shifting.

dances with weebles wrote:

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i was qualified by the united methodist church after i graduated from the john roberts weselyn college seminary, and also by u.u. church after graduating from the university of chicago school of theology. if you have any reason to question my qualifications, then maybe you should take it up with them. okay? saul of tarsus is not an authority in any christian church. to say that he was is rather like saying that pat robertson holds the same authority.

KiMare wrote:

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If you
believe denying marriage to a relationship
will prevent love
If you
demand any committed relationship
has to be called marriage
If you
claim rights and benefits can only be acquired
by a imposition on marriage
If you
equate the diversity of two genders
with the redundancy of same genders
If you
desecrate the sacred tradition of all major religions
and violate the historic practice of every single culture in history
If you
believe a fundamental change to the building block of society
will have absolutely no affect
If you
think a law can change
the reality of crucial distinctions in relationships
If you
pretend duplicating sexuality
is the same as blending masculinity and femininity
If you
condemn some children to parents of only one gender
and deliberately deny some children one natural parent
If you
ignore the design of sexual union
to manipulate a harmful act
If you
violate evolution's law of reproduction
to equate a genetic dead end
If you
risk the healthiest human relationship
to include one of the unhealthiest
If you
parallel the sole birthplace of every other relationship
with one that can reproduce none
If you
dilute all these things
down to just 'a committed relationship of two people'
Then, and only then, can you equate same-sex unions with marriage.

Valhalla awaits wrote:

Everybody's so fixated on homosexual marriage becoming legal that the real debate has been overlooked. "Why is it ILLEGAL in the first place?"

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KiMare wrote:

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If you
believe denying marriage to a relationship
will prevent love
If you
demand any committed relationship
has to be called marriage
If you
claim rights and benefits can only be acquired
by a imposition on marriage
If you
equate the diversity of two genders
with the redundancy of same genders
If you
desecrate the sacred tradition of all major religions

and violate the historic practice of every single culture in history
If you
believe a fundamental change to the building block of society
will have absolutely no affect
If you
think a law can change
the reality of crucial distinctions in relationships
If you
pretend duplicating sexuality
is the same as blending masculinity and femininity
If you
condemn some children to parents of only one gender
and deliberately deny some children one natural parent
If you
ignore the design of sexual union
to manipulate a harmful act
If you
violate evolution's law of reproduction
to equate a genetic dead end
If you
risk the healthiest human relationship
to include one of the unhealthiest
If you
parallel the sole birthplace of every other relationship
with one that can reproduce none
If you
dilute all these things
down to just 'a committed relationship of two people'
Then, and only then, can you equate same-sex unions with marriage.

KiMare wrote:

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Ask why in all of human history marriage has been present in every single culture. Gay 'marriage' has not been accepted in a single culture from start to finish.

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KiMare wrote:

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Ask why in all of human history marriage has been present in every single culture. Gay 'marriage' has not been accepted in a single culture from start to finish.

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Marengo Jon wrote:

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Watchman- since you love to tell others to do research, why don't you check out the Wikipedia article on gay marriage and find the countries that do support it? The article begs to differ with you.