Men's rights group seeks child support exemption

que wrote:

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So why are you even on the child support board. You're out of touch and just want a arguement. I'm glad you off the market. Think about it, You are on a child support board and you're married and not receiving child support. You haven't been in the sitiuation. Talk to somebody else not me.

I can't speak for J, but I'm not on a child support forum. I'm posting from the Abortion forum. These threads are posted on multiple forums.

que wrote:

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So why are you even on the child support board. You're out of touch and just want a arguement. I'm glad you off the market. Think about it, You are on a child support board and you're married and not receiving child support. You haven't been in the sitiuation. Talk to somebody else not me.

LMAO...Why am I on the board? Because it is a PUBLIC forum...did you not notice that? I wouldn't be talking to you if you posted anything that made any sense...but you are all for defending deadbeat fathers and insisting that women have it made collecting child support.

Yes brother...I married a man. He would take his responsibility without having to be forced...maybe that is another reason I posted...so women would see there is hope...that some men still realize they have responsibilities when they produce children, and that some men don't have to be forced to acknowledge that responsibility.

Remember now...PUBLIC forum...anyone can post.

que wrote:

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That's the way it's suppose to be. Congrats for having a stand up guy!! I'm a stand up man as well and I pay support. I'm cool with it but I've seen people around me get their Arses handed to them in child support court because of a vindictive women. Of course all women aren't vindictive but quite a bit of them are. You can't tell me what they won't do I been through it you haven't. Before you say I don't know what you've been through you just explained you have been married to your children fathers for a number of years, so that tells memyou haven't been through the system. I agree with child support but it has to be fair. Reform is necc.

Ok...but you need to understand that vindictive women play no role in the computation of support. There is a very specific formula that is followed when determining support, in which both incomes are taken into consideration and both obligations are taken into consideration. There is also a minimum requirement that the non custodial parent must be left with to live off of. Now...once support is figured out and if the non custodial parent quits the job (which happens quite a bit) and gets a lower paying job the child suppport will not be lowered, and I agree with that decision. I will give you I do believe there needs to be reform and I do believe Domestic Relations is a screwed up mess...But I do strongly belive there is a need for it.

Have I dealt with child support issues personally? No. Have I seen both sides of the child support arguments? Yes. Have I taken family law and civil law classes? Yes. Have I done the formulation for child support? Yes. So while I may not have "personal" experience within the system...I most certainly have experience in the system.

Bitner wrote:

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I can't speak for J, but I'm not on a child support forum. I'm posting from the Abortion forum. These threads are posted on multiple forums.

Yes...I am posting from the Abortion Forum also.

I am married to a man who is a non custodial parent for 2 childrem whom he pays child support for. I agree that the system is set up to support the woman. My biggest complaint are with taxes. My husband gets taxed state and federally on his full salary. Child support is taken after taxes. At the end of the year their are no tax exemptions he can file to offset the money that he did not receive, but paid taxes on. As well, the custodial parent gets to use the child as an exemption b/c of the random costs associated with caring for a child. Doesn't make sense! Not fair!

Ashley wrote:

I am married to a man who is a non custodial parent for 2 childrem whom he pays child support for. I agree that the system is set up to support the woman. My biggest complaint are with taxes. My husband gets taxed state and federally on his full salary. Child support is taken after taxes. At the end of the year their are no tax exemptions he can file to offset the money that he did not receive, but paid taxes on. As well, the custodial parent gets to use the child as an exemption b/c of the random costs associated with caring for a child. Doesn't make sense! Not fair!

The custodial parent also pays child support.

jlmiller wrote:

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Ok...but you need to understand that vindictive women play no role in the computation of support. There is a very specific formula that is followed when determining support, in which both incomes are taken into consideration and both obligations are taken into consideration. There is also a minimum requirement that the non custodial parent must be left with to live off of. Now...once support is figured out and if the non custodial parent quits the job (which happens quite a bit) and gets a lower paying job the child suppport will not be lowered, and I agree with that decision. I will give you I do believe there needs to be reform and I do believe Domestic Relations is a screwed up mess...But I do strongly belive there is a need for it.
Have I dealt with child support issues personally? No. Have I seen both sides of the child support arguments? Yes. Have I taken family law and civil law classes? Yes. Have I done the formulation for child support? Yes. So while I may not have "personal" experience within the system...I most certainly have experience in the system.

I agree with your post!! Thanks!!

my problem is that i have been paying support for 35 year ,i have support taking out of my pay check every week,but as of now they say i still owe thousnds of dollars with a judgement of 20 dollars a week you would think i would of taking care of my commitment. for exhample i had another and differant support for the same amount that has been taking care of but this support happend two years latter.every time i question it something bad happens and ends up costing me more money.

Men pay either way, whether they stay or leave. Men even pay without visitation. Men have the hardest time paying a mom who doesn't kick down things for the kids, just spends it on herself and a new boyfriend. Men typically are mad becasue they not only support their children but her and who ever she chooses to date and inflict on your children. Women tend to be mad that they have to pay for their decision. They use the kids to barter for free rent or just as a tool to torment their Ex. It's truely sad all around for the children. To me possesion is key, who ever gets the benefit of living with the kids should pay for the kids. pay should be based on percentage of time spent with the children against total actual expenses. Not the size of eachothers pay checks.

Curious in this, at what point does it end reasonably. I don't mean you end being a parent, when is it ok for the state to get the hell out of my life? After they've seized everything they can, destroyed your credit because of a job loss (which guarantees no decent replacement), or pay reduction with no adjustment, at what point can you say daddy just doesn't have an extra 3-600 a month? Is it ok to take away my rights to income as they've demanded over 100% for now a second year of my income. My daughter is 19 works multiple jobs that her mother is doing her best to not give the court the amounts she earns and I'm still a ****head. She dropped out of PT college and her mom lied in court I found out 6 months later. To top off their BS they took out my small business as the economy went in the crapper. So I paid my 60K when have I done my reasonable part, and when does my little girl have to ask rather than (the mother/state)put a shotgun to my head demanding whether I have it or not? Forget custody issues, they just say it's a separate issue, system is screwed and the economy reflects it. If you want to stand on take responsibility require equal living time.

Reasonable I forgot to mention ends at when school ends. A needed reform for this whole screwed up mess is as taxes are filed adjust required amounts with proper amounts and percentages then. Fair, child would not receive a better life with a person of lesser means. After CS gets involved incomes will drop because of prejudice in society and the paying parent always looks like a scumbag. Taxes filed, adjust it then, retroactive up or down as the child can't live a life better than what it's parents can afford. And yes they do regularly violate payors rights. Over 100% with no give is not reasonable support! Ever! Read 13th amendment a person who works is entitled to at least some of their pay. Keep allowing and pushing for this and they'll find ways to take yours next, then welcome to communism.

I have worked as a social worker in Philadelphia for years and when clients come in and tell me about thier child support issues it enrages me. Most of these women don't work and think they can manipulate a man and use childsupport as a barganing tool. They have no plans of working and often have children just so the fathers and the system can take care of them. What really disgusts me is when women know that a man just wants sex and they want more and get pregnant because they think the man is going to stay in thier lives.

I'm with the men on this one. I have seen too many women in my office that are screwing so many people that they don't even know who thier child's father is. A man can not have sex with a woman unless she allows it otherwise its rape. Women hold the key as to if the deed is done or not. Some women are more deceptive than men. Now the child suffers because thier mother decided to allow a man to have unprotected sex with her and what was supposed to be a one night stand turns into resentment from both parental parties because a child was produced. I have had women tell me they have damaged condoms to get pregnant because they knew that the man had a good job and could be a good provider. I have heard women threaten to take men back to court because they want nothing to do with them and just want to deal with the child. Its a readlly sad an unfortunate issue.

Bitner wrote:

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"In the state where I live, 93% of child support payees are fathers."
Patently untrue. Both parents always pay child support. Now, it may be true that 93% of non-custodial parents are fathers, but the custodial parents pays as well, in every case. The only difference is the custodial parent doesn't have to write a separate check for it, and by no means does a man always pay the bulk of the support.

Youre right, but in cases similar to mine, men would in the long run pay more than the bulk. I was "chosen" for child support When i was already 6 or 7 gs in arrearages. after being together 5,6 yrs you dont think to keep receipts,right? So anyway Now I work to pay current and back pay,and she lives off of the state. So while im paying lets say 300 a month(200current) She gets 200 +300est. in FS , 2 to 300 TANF, MED, car vouchers,housing,etc. Now lets look at that, im payin for tanf,med ,pretty much wut they give her. they loan her the money w/o my consent and chrg me.

Educated Woman in Philly wrote:

I have worked as a social worker in Philadelphia for years and when clients come in and tell me about thier child support issues it enrages me. Most of these women don't work and think they can manipulate a man and use childsupport as a barganing tool. They have no plans of working and often have children just so the fathers and the system can take care of them. What really disgusts me is when women know that a man just wants sex and they want more and get pregnant because they think the man is going to stay in thier lives.
I'm with the men on this one. I have seen too many women in my office that are screwing so many people that they don't even know who thier child's father is. A man can not have sex with a woman unless she allows it otherwise its rape. Women hold the key as to if the deed is done or not. Some women are more deceptive than men. Now the child suffers because thier mother decided to allow a man to have unprotected sex with her and what was supposed to be a one night stand turns into resentment from both parental parties because a child was produced. I have had women tell me they have damaged condoms to get pregnant because they knew that the man had a good job and could be a good provider. I have heard women threaten to take men back to court because they want nothing to do with them and just want to deal with the child. Its a readlly sad an unfortunate issue.

I feel sorry for your clients if you truely are a social worker.

Men can keep their penises in their pants just as easily as a woman can keep her legs closed.

There is an obligation to support a child, even if you didn't plan on having one.

They can take the man back to court all they want sweetheart, but if you are a social worker then you know that their is a predetermined guideline that the state follows when determining support. His income, her income and what is incoming and outgoing in both homes, including any welfare they may recieve.

I think you might want to go back and gain a touch more education...