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Bruce,

Had the government done what you suggest, other than Ford, the program would have been called "Clunker for Clunker" Let's face both GM and Chrysler are not brands that come to mind when you think fuel efficency.

Bob the Bilderberg

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Hey John H. Sarafolean of Inver Grove Heights, so what's your point? That democrats aren't wimps? I disagree.

Former Ranger

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" Reagan's response was to pull the Marines out of Lebanon. In fact, there was no serious retaliation at all from the Americans"
Well, other than the bombing of Kadafi's home, which ended up killing his family, and we never heard from him again!

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Bruce Bentson - Nissan, Toyota, Honda, Hyundi all make the majority of their US-sold cars in the US by American workers. Just not UAW workers.

On the other hand, that Silverado/Yukon/Suburban was made mostly in Mexico. Trainloads of frames, engines and drive trains are hauled to the US factory for the finishing touches.

So, which vehicles are American-made ?

Wheelchair Charley

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Unfortunately our military, under President Carter, sent men in harms way without a workable plan. In my opinion, chastising the leaders does not demean the willing heroic efforts of the individuals the leaders put in harms way.

predictable

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Former Ranger wrote:

" Reagan's response was to pull the Marines out of Lebanon. In fact, there was no serious retaliation at all from the Americans"
Well, other than the bombing of Kadafi's home, which ended up killing his family, and we never heard from him again!

'Lebanon' and 'Libya' are two different countries. I don't think Quadaffi was ever connected to the Beirut bombing in any way. He's a nut, but that wasn't his doing.

BobSldr

Carmel, IN

Former Ranger wrote:

" Reagan's response was to pull the Marines out of Lebanon. In fact, there was no serious retaliation at all from the Americans"
Well, other than the bombing of Kadafi's home, which ended up killing his family, and we never heard from him again!

Gaddafi is the leader of Libya. I wasn't aware of his link to the bombing in Lebanon. Where can I find more info on that?

Fan of Common Sense

Saint Paul, MN

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Yeah, the bombing of Kaddafi was in response to the Pan-Am flight that was blown up over Lockerby, Scotland. It had nothing to do with Lebanon.

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Bruce H. Bentson: The CARS program is for ANY vehicle that gets a combined MPG of 22 or greater. It's sad if American cars don't get that. It's a signal to American auto companies that people are flocking to buy new cars that get a combined MPG greater than 22. Americans are voting with their (and the government's) dollar. Maybe the American auto companies will finally listen.

Details of the CARS program: http://www.cars.gov/index.php/faq#category-07 (combined fuel economy is about halfway down)

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Bruce,
Had the government done what you suggest, other than Ford, the program would have been called "Clunker for Clunker" Let's face both GM and Chrysler are not brands that come to mind when you think fuel efficency.

Good point. The strib has an article about how Ford's sales have increased in June thanks to the CARS program:

http://www.startribune.com/business/52359602....

Bob the Bilderberg

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Mellers wrote:

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Good point. The strib has an article about how Ford's sales have increased in June thanks to the CARS program:
http://www.startribune.com/business/52359602....

The Strib's article claims that's the cause but we all know better, don't we. Ford is being rewarded by car buyers for not taking the government money.

"46% More Likely To Buy Ford 'Cause It Didn't Get A Bailout"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20090727/pl...

The D

Saint Cloud, MN

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Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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The Strib's article claims that's the cause but we all know better, don't we. Ford is being rewarded by car buyers for not taking the government money.
"46% More Likely To Buy Ford 'Cause It Didn't Get A Bailout"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20090727/pl...

That's exactly why I bought a new F150! It is a great truck and can haul all the different trailers I have. It is the 1st Ford I have owned and am happy I bought one. The next rig I buy will be a Ford product also.

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Obama says the troops acted 'stupidly"

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The D wrote:

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That's exactly why I bought a new F150! It is a great truck and can haul all the different trailers I have. It is the 1st Ford I have owned and am happy I bought one. The next rig I buy will be a Ford product also.

I have a Ford product and I'm going back to a rice rocket.

predictable

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Sunflower wrote:

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I have a Ford product and I'm going back to a rice rocket.

ha, yeah. After a Ford and a Mercury, I'm in love with my Toyota. Why doesn't it break as often, I always wonder?

Gndydncr

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Mellers wrote:

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Good point. The strib has an article about how Ford's sales have increased in June thanks to the CARS program:
http://www.startribune.com/business/52359602....

Sorry, Mellers. I'm going to have to call a misfire on you. The CARS program did not start until July as indicated in the sentence below that I copied out of your Star-Tribune link.

"Congress approved the plan early in July, but the government considered suspending it on Thursday after an overwhelming response threatened to deplete the $1 billion allocated for the rebates."

Any increases in sales that Ford had in June is unrelated to the CARS program.

Any increased sales that anybody has in July (and maybe August) will be offset by decreased sales in September, October, November, December which is the time frame in which these people were planning on buying these cars anyway.

You are probably feeling good that your money is putting more fuel efficient cars on the road. I'm not feeling quite so good that my money is preventing low-income families from having affordable transportation for work, health care, groceries, etc.

Gndydncr

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Mellers wrote:

[...] Americans are voting with their (and the government's) dollar.[...]

You know how I hate to be technical with you but technically, the government doesn't have any dollars of its own - its all Americans' dollars.

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Gndydncr wrote:

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Sorry, Mellers. I'm going to have to call a misfire on you. The CARS program did not start until July as indicated in the sentence below that I copied out of your Star-Tribune link.
"Congress approved the plan early in July, but the government considered suspending it on Thursday after an overwhelming response threatened to deplete the $1 billion allocated for the rebates."
Any increases in sales that Ford had in June is unrelated to the CARS program.
Any increased sales that anybody has in July (and maybe August) will be offset by decreased sales in September, October, November, December which is the time frame in which these people were planning on buying these cars anyway.
You are probably feeling good that your money is putting more fuel efficient cars on the road. I'm not feeling quite so good that my money is preventing low-income families from having affordable transportation for work, health care, groceries, etc.

I mis-wrote; yes, I meant to write July. Even the article mentions July (I think it was actually in the headline, but the wording of the headline has changed a bit).

Again, yes, I meant to write that auto sales for Ford have improved for July, according to the Strib article:

http://www.startribune.com/business/52359602....

"July sales of Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury light vehicles rose 1.6 percent from the same month last year." (I think the headline was something like this, this morning).

Thanks for the catch, and the fairly respectful way of calling me on the error. I appreciate both.

I too am not saying that we've achieved miracles in the economy here, but simply saying it has done 'some' good.

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