Groundbreaking For Cincinnati Streetcar

Why do certain people in power insist on spending money that isn't there?? I am not totally against the street car even tho I don't see a real benefit. I have NO idea why money that we don't have should be spent when we are already in debt with NO solution in site for balancing it.
Such an act is ludicrous.

pops wrote:

Why do certain people in power insist on spending money that isn't there?? I am not totally against the street car even tho I don't see a real benefit. I have NO idea why money that we don't have should be spent when we are already in debt with NO solution in site for balancing it.
Such an act is ludicrous.

That is what you get when idiots vote commies and peter puffers to office

Spooktackular wrote:

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That is what you get when idiots vote commies and peter puffers to office

I am aware of an issue that I have NEVER seen mentioned or discussed. BUSES already serve anywhere & everywhere that the rail can or will run. Meaning that excessive tax dollars are going to create competition for another utility that is partly funded by tax dollars. I see absolutely NO logic in that when the federal, state, & city budgets are already in the red & will be for the foreseeable future. AMAZING !!

pops wrote:

<quoted text>I am aware of an issue that I have NEVER seen mentioned or discussed. BUSES already serve anywhere & everywhere that the rail can or will run. Meaning that excessive tax dollars are going to create competition for another utility that is partly funded by tax dollars. I see absolutely NO logic in that when the federal, state, & city budgets are already in the red & will be for the foreseeable future. AMAZING !!

I agree, Buses are the logical solution. But these are politicians and it your money not theirs so they will spend away

pops wrote:

<quoted text>I am aware of an issue that I have NEVER seen mentioned or discussed. BUSES already serve anywhere & everywhere that the rail can or will run. Meaning that excessive tax dollars are going to create competition for another utility that is partly funded by tax dollars. I see absolutely NO logic in that when the federal, state, & city budgets are already in the red & will be for the foreseeable future. AMAZING !!

pops buses have been discussed. some have suggest that buses be used on the planed route to do study on ridership. Mallory has avoided this suggestion because the study would show it's a great waste of tax dollars.

I was just down on Vine, Main, McMicken, Findley, Liberty etc the last two days & can assure anyone that buses DO currently travel these rds. Maybe not the exact course that the trolley is supposed to be routed on, but the point is that ALL of these rds HAVE bus service. So why duplicate it in such a VERY expensive way that will certainly cost Millions of dollars per mile to simply get started!!
There's a bus stop at the corner of Elder & Race that has a placard of the proposed trolley route on a pole. Kind of strange to me.

pops wrote:

I was just down on Vine, Main, McMicken, Findley, Liberty etc the last two days & can assure anyone that buses DO currently travel these rds. Maybe not the exact course that the trolley is supposed to be routed on, but the point is that ALL of these rds HAVE bus service. So why duplicate it in such a VERY expensive way that will certainly cost Millions of dollars per mile to simply get started!!
There's a bus stop at the corner of Elder & Race that has a placard of the proposed trolley route on a pole. Kind of strange to me.

It does create more union jobs and what party do these unions like to give money to.

We already have a street car, its called the METRO. A streetcar is a glorified bus. if the city was wealthy, id say put in 20 streetcars. but, the city is broke and trying to get money from baroke. what a waste, its obvious why the city is is in the gutter. common sense, needs to be applied.

KyBoy wrote:

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It does create more union jobs and what party do these unions like to give money to.

LOL Being union would add to the costs of taxpayers. Remember that union workers are bldg the casino that just had a collapse but that is a PRIVATE enterprise that everyone KNOWS will be immediately profitable, unlike the street cars.

american citizen wrote:

We already have a street car, its called the METRO. A streetcar is a glorified bus. if the city was wealthy, id say put in 20 streetcars. but, the city is broke and trying to get money from baroke. what a waste, its obvious why the city is is in the gutter. common sense, needs to be applied.

I agree. Shelve the street car idea.
But at the same time, immediately apply this same kind of enthusiasm & focus into money saving opportunities that green energy can offer.

reality wrote:

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I agree. Shelve the street car idea.
But at the same time, immediately apply this same kind of enthusiasm & focus into money saving opportunities that green energy can offer.

Green energy is not cheap nor effecient

It is one thing to recycle concrete for base material, metals, even gas from landfils but those are old proven things. Windmills solar panels and the like money pits with nearly no real return

Remember when the paper printed an article about the photovoltaic solar panels at the zoo over the parking lot? They printed the construction cost, kilowatt savins & the percentage of power NOT needing to be purchased from Duke Energy. These numbers showed that with nothing else factored in, the cost of the solar panels would be recovered in 73 yrs! They didn't publish that math.
Of course the cost of a kilowatt will go up sooner or later, a number of years after that it will go up again of course. So the savings will be in less than 73 yrs.
What else they didn't publish is that as the panels accumulate dust & bird droppings, the efficiency goes down. That's why companies exist to clean them on a schedule, so while the effeciency goes down, cost is added cleaning the panels. We won't even speculate on wind storms, snow coverage & hail stones. Another fact is that the typical life of a photovoltaic cell is 20 yrs which means another SIGNIFICANT expense every 20 yrs until whenever. Implying that it could be a centry before they pay for themselves.
Lets assume that technology of some sort makes them obsolete in 30,40 or 50 yrs which I would think a reasonable assumption. That means that these photocells will NEVER pay for themselves in energy savings, thusly NO savings what-so-ever. Plain & simple.

This will cause Duke to pass along the cost of millions of dollars of needless work to ALL customers.

Does anybody NOT go to OTR because they can't ride a streetcar there?

This coming week, conscientious Cincinnatians shoud go out and PICKET the street car ground-breaking!

For sure man. And somebody should hide under the table and see how much money is passing under there!

They're gonna lay off cops and city workers, close homeless shelters to pay for this dumbfuck idea.

I live outside the city limits but will probably have to pay too in some form.

FUTOO wrote:

For sure man. And somebody should hide under the table and see how much money is passing under there!
They're gonna lay off cops and city workers, close homeless shelters to pay for this dumbfuck idea.
I live outside the city limits but will probably have to pay too in some form.

Figure sales tax to increase if nothing else.

FUTOO wrote:

For sure man. And somebody should hide under the table and see how much money is passing under there!
They're gonna lay off cops and city workers, close homeless shelters to pay for this dumbfuck idea.
I live outside the city limits but will probably have to pay too in some form.

Have Mike Brown pay for the damn streetcar.
Ultimately he stands to benefit from it.
And he's already screwed the bejesus out of Ham Co taxpayers

reality wrote:

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Have Mike Brown pay for the damn streetcar.
Ultimately he stands to benefit from it.
And he's already screwed the bejesus out of Ham Co taxpayers

Damn straight. And after he pays for it, I hope it runs over him.

FUTOO wrote:

This will cause Duke to pass along the cost of millions of dollars of needless work to ALL customers.
Does anybody NOT go to OTR because they can't ride a streetcar there?

Hopefully Duke will not back down on not picking up any of the cost. Maybe we should send Duke an e-mail in support of not changing the Companys position.

Duke is clearly correct they point out that there is NO need to move the utilities if not for the street car. And I would certainly trust their cost numbers B4 the city's which seems to have picked cost numbers out of the blue. They have given NO justification or source of their camparitively much lower figares.
Businesses go broke & close with such processes. Gee