The Indwelling

I frequently read on here how that we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit. I have yet to read an explanation of this. Do people on here believe that the actual Holy Spirit “physically” lives within them? If so, I’d like some clarity and further explanation of this. What about the verses that say God is in us? Then, too, what about the verses that say Christ is in us? Does not the word say we are IN CHRIST as well. Before anyone post all of the verse on the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, please know in advance that I already know them verses. I’m asking how this works. Does the Spirit PHYSICALLY reside in the believer? If so, where? How? Then also explain the verses where we are told that we reside in God and in Jesus and the one where we are told that God and Jesus dwell in us.

Hhmm. Odd that nobody has attempted to explain “how” the Holy Spirit indwells. When you figure that out, explain how God and Jesus also indwell the believer. And then let’s not forget that we are also IN CHRIST. Does God “physically” make his home in our sinful bodies? How does God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit indwell the believer? Somebody please explain this. Again, I know the verses that speak of the indwelling so that’s not what I am asking. Explain the “how” part of this? Does deity take up residence in each believer? Do we also take residence in deity? Is this literal? An actual dwelling of deity within our actual bodies? Hopefully, somebody will tackle this and offer some insight. We shall see.

testing the spirits wrote:

Hhmm. Odd that nobody has attempted to explain “how” the Holy Spirit indwells. When you figure that out, explain how God and Jesus also indwell the believer. And then let’s not forget that we are also IN CHRIST. Does God “physically” make his home in our sinful bodies? How does God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit indwell the believer? Somebody please explain this. Again, I know the verses that speak of the indwelling so that’s not what I am asking. Explain the “how” part of this? Does deity take up residence in each believer? Do we also take residence in deity? Is this literal? An actual dwelling of deity within our actual bodies? Hopefully, somebody will tackle this and offer some insight. We shall see.

Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

testing the spirits wrote:

Hhmm. Odd that nobody has attempted to explain “how” the Holy Spirit indwells. When you figure that out, explain how God and Jesus also indwell the believer. And then let’s not forget that we are also IN CHRIST. Does God “physically” make his home in our sinful bodies? How does God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit indwell the believer? Somebody please explain this. Again, I know the verses that speak of the indwelling so that’s not what I am asking. Explain the “how” part of this? Does deity take up residence in each believer? Do we also take residence in deity? Is this literal? An actual dwelling of deity within our actual bodies? Hopefully, somebody will tackle this and offer some insight. We shall see.

*You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9
*because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." Romans 8:14-15
_"The Spirit of sonship"..that we may call him "Abba,Father"...
This is a far cry from those who say water puts you in the body of Christ... not water dunking but Spirit indwelling that puts you in the Body of Christ...For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 1Corinthians 12:13

Jc, the Spirit dwells within our spirit or the other way around we are in Christ-one with Christ.

We are made of body soul and spirit, the born again spirit is where the Spirit of God lives. Father son and Holy Spirit are three in one.

How does one know we have a spirit except by the scripture. The difference is in how we have been changed. If we have no experience to tell about the change God has made in us, then maybe there is no indwelling in that person. You see the indwelling of God's Spirit is how we know. Otherwise we could just walk away from our faith and feel nothing.

Bobby wrote:

If we have no experience to tell about the change God has made in us, then maybe there is no indwelling in that person.

You are SOOOO CONTRADICTORY Bobby! You accused me of "looking for miracles" in another thread, because you say I don't believe in miracles. Now YOU say a person HAS to have an EXPERIENCE in order to know they have the Holy Spirit! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!! You drive me crazy when you completely contradict yourself like that!

If you expect both of us to have intelligent conversations together, then please, PLEASE stop contradicting yourself.

I think of it this way. God is a Spirit. His Spirit is called the Holy Spirit. Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit when we are born again. In a sense God lives in us by His Spirit dwelling in us. Jesus and the Father are one so Jesus lives in us also in that sense. God and Jesus also live in us in a spiritual sense when through the Holy Spirit placed in us by the Son whom the Father sent for that purpose bears fruit in the lives we live. Have you noticed that you don't get drunk and chase whores like you used to and when you do you don't feel proud of what you did but feel as if part of you died. It may not work that way with the Church of Christ because they were not born in sin as I was. I was a sinner and I needed a Savior. If I had been as the church of Christ, not born in sin I may not have needed a Savior. Maybe I could have saved myself by taking a bath or something.

nobody wrote:

I think of it this way. God is a Spirit. His Spirit is called the Holy Spirit. Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit when we are born again. In a sense God lives in us by His Spirit dwelling in us. Jesus and the Father are one so Jesus lives in us also in that sense. God and Jesus also live in us in a spiritual sense when through the Holy Spirit placed in us by the Son whom the Father sent for that purpose bears fruit in the lives we live. Have you noticed that you don't get drunk and chase whores like you used to and when you do you don't feel proud of what you did but feel as if part of you died. It may not work that way with the Church of Christ because they were not born in sin as I was. I was a sinner and I needed a Savior. If I had been as the church of Christ, not born in sin I may not have needed a Savior. Maybe I could have saved myself by taking a bath or something.

Finally-some one who understands it and who has lived it and experiences the work of the Holy Spirit in his life! It is a life changing experience! Thank you...

John3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you don't know where the wind comes from or where it's going. That's the way it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

This something I believe is hard to see and even harder to try and explain (the "born again experience"). After a person gets it their fruits should identify them.

According to the bible in Acts 2:1-18 the Spirit was hard to discern ( described as a wind here as Jesus also did in John chapter 3). Devout Jews did not recognize the Spirit.

nobody wrote:

...they were not born in sin as I was.

FALSE TEACHING ALERT! FALSE TEACHING ALERT! FALSE TEACHING ALERT!

Sin is the transgression of God's laws, point blank. That's what sin is. How does an infant transgress God's laws and sin? They don't, point blank. Read:

Rom_9:11 (For the children being not yet born, NEITHER HAVING DONE ANY GOOD OR EVIL, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

There's your proof.

Every man or woman shall be accountable for their OWN sin, not Adam's or anyone else's sin:

Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

SeekingWanderer wrote:

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Eze_18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

The meaning of what is said is where you lose it. I am not to be punished for your sin that you do while we are both in this world. This is not the same as when a cocaine addicted mother whom has a child and it suffers from cocaine addiction. Mental disability in a child can be caused by alcohol and drug abuse or even prescription medication taken by the mother during pregnancy. Incestuous relationships can cause the risk of birth defects to be higher. All this can be passed to the child as a result of the parents sin. I don't believe you can deny that. The child is not punished for the mothers sin but suffers the consequences nevertheless. Same thing happened because of Adam's sin.

Romans 5:12 Sin came into the world through one person, and death came through sin. So death spread to everyone, because everyone sinned.

If what you said was true it would seem that at least one person in the past or he future might choose not to sin and not die. It does not happen. When 100% of humans sin by choice, they certainly have a sin nature don't they?

cut and paste from another post related to the 'indwelling'.

Some considerations from the study notes in the AENT may be helpful. There is an on-line article that charges the text was changed in ancient times to support the 'trinity' doctrine that made sense. The AENT has preserved the gospels and NT record without (to my knowledge) influence from the Roman influence - and upon checking the AENT, it also mentions the three. 19; "Go therefore, make disciples of all nations and immerse them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Ruach haKodesh. 20 And teach them to keep all that I have commanded you. And behold, I amd with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen."

regarding 'name'

Aramaic has 'name'- singular - which does not support the traditional trinity theology. Ruach haKodesh is the title for YHWH, see Isaiah 63:1-11; Psalm 51:1-11. The Son has his Father's Name within him and the Father keeps His people in His Name; John 17:11. As a result, imagine three brances of the same tree rather than three separate trees. Each branch is unitied by the Name/Title of the One Divine Personality that is YHWH Elohim. This linkage is established in Shemot/Exodus 23:20-22 where a Messenger unlike any other 'angel' can forgive sin because YHWH says,'for My Name is in Him'. All other 'angels' have El in their name but Y'shua's Name is above the angels, hence Yah/YHWH is in Y'shua's name (Matthew 1:21, Hebrews 1:1-5). Nazarenes have from the very beginning taught salvation in the Name of YHWH.(see Immerser in Appendix)

Let's say a person lives all his life loving a Jesus and living for him and when he dies, he goes to hell because he never read the aent...

Bobby wrote:

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Finally-some one who understands it and who has lived it and experiences the work of the Holy Spirit in his life! It is a life changing experience! Thank you...

It's hard to talk to "baby christians" about spiritual matters. Paul went through the same thing in his day...
*Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn't talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in the Christian life. 1Corinthians 3:1,NLT
*But people who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. 1Corinthians 2:14,NLT

Bfrank wrote:

<quoted text> It's hard to talk to "baby christians" about spiritual matters. Paul went through the same thing in his day...
*Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn't talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in the Christian life. 1Corinthians 3:1,NLT
*But people who aren't spiritual can't receive these truths from God's Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can't understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. 1Corinthians 2:14,NLT

Another unhelpful post about "feelings" and "experiences". Does anyone here feel edified or enlightened by this? Anyone? Anyone? I didn't think so. Sorry BF. You wasted your, and our, time again.

To speak of spiritual matters concerning the indwelling of the Holy Ghost,you have to be spiritual minded.

A question..if you are a christian.

How do you know that Jesus lives in you ...or Trinity believrs...how do you know that God,Jesus and the Holy Ghost resides in you and why do you need all three?

regina steele marrs wrote:

To speak of spiritual matters concerning the indwelling of the Holy Ghost,you have to be spiritual minded.
A question..if you are a christian.
How do you know that Jesus lives in you ...or Trinity believrs...how do you know that God,Jesus and the Holy Ghost resides in you and why do you need all three?

God the Father is God.

Jesus the Son is God.

The Spirit of God is God.

God is one in unity.

Gen 3:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

We cannot prove that God lives in us. We live by faith and walk by faith. Each of us has to come to God with an humble heart and he will begin to show us great things-which his written word supports. We can and do experience God because he live in us-gives light unto our souls.

Unbelievers are already disconnected from God because of a lack of faith and rebellion, they do not hear him, see him or experience him! Spiritual blindness prevails.

Bobby wrote:

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God the Father is God.
Jesus the Son is God.
The Spirit of God is God.
God is one in unity.
Gen 3:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
We cannot prove that God lives in us. We live by faith and walk by faith. Each of us has to come to God with an humble heart and he will begin to show us great things-which his written word supports. We can and do experience God because he live in us-gives light unto our souls.
Unbelievers are already disconnected from God because of a lack of faith and rebellion, they do not hear him, see him or experience him! Spiritual blindness prevails.

Some would have us believe that Jesus is schizophrenic when God speaks about Him and Jesus receives the Holy Spirit:

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Here, God is descending from Heaven as the Holy Spirit in a shape like a dove and landing on Himself as Jesus. Then, God in Heaven, speaking about Himself as Jesus in second person (or is that third person?), says He is pleased with Jesus/Himself.

And here are the other accounts of Jesus' supposed schizophrenia:

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Huh? Is everyone following that? That's what some believe.

To understand Jesus being God..walking here in the flesh. You must first be able to seperate them and understand how they interact together.

Like it says in 1Timothy 3:16

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Jesus himself said he and his father are One. Paul even told us,they are One.

It is simple for me to see Jesus as God here in the flesh.

So was Jesus here as God in the flesh, and speaking to Himself as God from Heaven at the same time, while descending from Heaven like a dove as the Holy Spirit?

Does "One" mean one completely? Or can "One" mean "one in thought"? "One in purpose"? Cannot "One" mean more than just a singular individual? Of course it can.

John says:

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

So, if Jesus says that we are "one" with Him and God, does that make us God too? Of course not. That's silly.

As a matter of fact, when John quotes:

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

...he uses the exact same Greek word for "one" that Jesus does in John 17:21.

No, that reasoning just won't stand the scrutiny of good Bible study, when comparing the verses.