Quitman minister arrested

Well, it looks like Hamilton has started up his "own" congregation. God is not pleased with this,but at least this man isn't trying to "take over" someone elses'congregation. It amazes me that in this day and age people still want to follow after a man. and these folks called themselves members of the Lord's Church. There is no where in scripture where we are to follow after a man or group of men. The last time I checked the scriptures, the church STILL belongs to Jesus. this seems to be a repeat of what happened over 20 yrs ago.....what a mess! But I say that God is going to get the glory from all this and there are going to be some that are going to have to answer to God about all of this mess. True Repentance is needed from all involved......don't let PRIDE damn your soul to hell over this!! IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!

I will be praying for 38th St Church of Christ. Just keep looking to the cross and keeping the faith. God always take care of his children.

As the song goes, 24 hours a day the devil is doing his work. The Elders of 38th Street Church of Christ are men of God and have worked to stay true to the Gospel. Bro. Hamilton had not met his match until now. They know more than they are saying. After all they have not had the services of a full-time minister for 20 years.
They are getting older. Two of them have passed away. They have trained Deacons to work. The doctrine is sound and scriptual. Bro. Hamilton will not get past it.
The church will always go on. Thus says the Lord. No one man will ever destroy what is right. God has watched over the Elders as they take care of the flock. Let God do His job. Let the Elders do theirs. Time will tell If Bro. Hamilton does his.

Praise the Lord wrote:

Well, it looks like Hamilton has started up his "own" congregation. God is not pleased with this,but at least this man isn't trying to "take over" someone elses'congregation. It amazes me that in this day and age people still want to follow after a man. and these folks called themselves members of the Lord's Church. There is no where in scripture where we are to follow after a man or group of men. The last time I checked the scriptures, the church STILL belongs to Jesus. this seems to be a repeat of what happened over 20 yrs ago.....what a mess! But I say that God is going to get the glory from all this and there are going to be some that are going to have to answer to God about all of this mess. True Repentance is needed from all involved......don't let PRIDE damn your soul to hell over this!! IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!

I am new to the area and looking for a church home. I just heard about this situation. It is aid that the Elders removed this brother for false teaching. What was he teaching that was false? Did the Elders ever say? Just wanting some insight as I look for somewhere to worship.

The Devil is --- wrote:

As the song goes, 24 hours a day the devil is doing his work. The Elders of 38th Street Church of Christ are men of God and have worked to stay true to the Gospel. Bro. Hamilton had not met his match until now. They know more than they are saying. After all they have not had the services of a full-time minister for 20 years.
They are getting older. Two of them have passed away. They have trained Deacons to work. The doctrine is sound and scriptual. Bro. Hamilton will not get past it.
The church will always go on. Thus says the Lord. No one man will ever destroy what is right. God has watched over the Elders as they take care of the flock. Let God do His job. Let the Elders do theirs. Time will tell If Bro. Hamilton does his.

Why have they not had a full time preacher in 20 years? What keeps happening to the preachers?

Praise the Lord wrote:

Well, it looks like Hamilton has started up his "own" congregation. God is not pleased with this,but at least this man isn't trying to "take over" someone elses'congregation. It amazes me that in this day and age people still want to follow after a man. and these folks called themselves members of the Lord's Church. There is no where in scripture where we are to follow after a man or group of men. The last time I checked the scriptures, the church STILL belongs to Jesus. this seems to be a repeat of what happened over 20 yrs ago.....what a mess! But I say that God is going to get the glory from all this and there are going to be some that are going to have to answer to God about all of this mess. True Repentance is needed from all involved......don't let PRIDE damn your soul to hell over this!! IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!

What Happened 20 years ago?????

The Eyes of wrote:

The Eyes of Texas, San Diego and Ga are upon you.

first thing you need to understand about any legal situation, is the presumption of innocence, there is no such thing as cyber slander, in a public forum to voice ones opinion. secondly, any views and opinions are protected under the constitution very basic first 22 amendments, any legal scholar in his first year of law school would know that. and even if it went to court, all they would have to do is counter-sue, you for damages, because u already said it would cost them money to defend themselves, Thirdly, where would you have the trial since all the future defendants, are blogging from across the country, Who has jurisdiction in this matter,, Get the picture, Reality tells us that if this is a true man of God, then nothing anybody says will be able to fight against him or anything he does, if not, then he will be brought down by Heaven by any means necessary.

To Just Curious: Nothing happened 20 years ago. 38th Street has just not had a full time preacher for a long time. The elders and others have filled in. It is a wonderful to worship. The elders are there to Guide and Protect their flock. This would be a wonderful choice for you. As evidenced in the happenings you are reading about, they are on top of their job and their desire is to always do what is right in the sight of God, not man. Beware of Mr. Hamilton.

Funny, Information should be called Miss Information. First Curious check the court records, 38th has been the court after having a fights at the Church, after having a Brother arrested and driven around the corner and release in front of the Church, after a court rule that the current preacher worked for the board and they had the right to fire him. The next preacher ran into the same prob, he was to bow down to board he stood on the word and they trash his name and ran him off and went to court and now here they go again. Contact the preachers and their families and courts and you will find this is a Pitiful matter. Thanks from the truth.

Information wrote:

To Just Curious: Nothing happened 20 years ago. 38th Street has just not had a full time preacher for a long time. The elders and others have filled in. It is a wonderful to worship. The elders are there to Guide and Protect their flock. This would be a wonderful choice for you. As evidenced in the happenings you are reading about, they are on top of their job and their desire is to always do what is right in the sight of God, not man. Beware of Mr. Hamilton.

I still would like to know a couple of things?
1. What false doctrine is this brother being accused of teaching?
2. If all these allegations against this man are true, why would they have hired him in the first place?
3. These events supposedly took place before he came to that church, why didn't the elders look into all of this before hiring him ?
I come from a place where these types of matters are not taken lightly. The souls of men are at stake here. My soul is very important to me and I want to know if I worship somewhere I will be in a place where GOD is. If you can answer these questions for me, I would truly appreciate it.

Praise the Lord wrote:

Well, it looks like Hamilton has started up his "own" congregation. God is not pleased with this,but at least this man isn't trying to "take over" someone elses'congregation. It amazes me that in this day and age people still want to follow after a man. and these folks called themselves members of the Lord's Church. There is no where in scripture where we are to follow after a man or group of men. The last time I checked the scriptures, the church STILL belongs to Jesus. this seems to be a repeat of what happened over 20 yrs ago.....what a mess! But I say that God is going to get the glory from all this and there are going to be some that are going to have to answer to God about all of this mess. True Repentance is needed from all involved......don't let PRIDE damn your soul to hell over this!! IT'S NOT WORTH IT!!!!

I received a response that nothing happened 20 years ago, but in this posting, the comment was made that" this seems to be a repeat of what happened over 20 yrs ago.....what a mess!" If nothing happened, why was this written? I am not trying to start anything but I would just like to know what is really going on with this church. If someone will please let me know the truth, I would really appreciate it. Thank you.

God is watching wrote:

Funny, Information should be called Miss Information. First Curious check the court records, 38th has been the court after having a fights at the Church, after having a Brother arrested and driven around the corner and release in front of the Church, after a court rule that the current preacher worked for the board and they had the right to fire him. The next preacher ran into the same prob, he was to bow down to board he stood on the word and they trash his name and ran him off and went to court and now here they go again. Contact the preachers and their families and courts and you will find this is a Pitiful matter. Thanks from the truth.

IF this is true, where are these court records located? Are they public record for all to see? Please inform me where I can locate them. With all due respect, I would rather see for myself than take someone else's word. I just want to know the truth.

always4God wrote:

<quoted text> first thing you need to understand about any legal situation, is the presumption of innocence, there is no such thing as cyber slander, in a public forum to voice ones opinion. secondly, any views and opinions are protected under the constitution very basic first 22 amendments, any legal scholar in his first year of law school would know that. and even if it went to court, all they would have to do is counter-sue, you for damages, because u already said it would cost them money to defend themselves, Thirdly, where would you have the trial since all the future defendants, are blogging from across the country, Who has jurisdiction in this matter,, Get the picture, Reality tells us that if this is a true man of God, then nothing anybody says will be able to fight against him or anything he does, if not, then he will be brought down by Heaven by any means necessary.

I just did the some research and you are correct cyber slander does not exist. The correct legal term is Internet Defamation. They have lawyers that specialize in the matter and it is becoming a very big business. According to http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_... , a blogger using a site can be liable if the are blogging defamatory material. I hope that this clears up any misconception there is about the innocent party in an internet defamation suit being able to win. There can be some very costly penalties for the guilty party or parties involved.

To add to the last post, you do not have to be in the same state. A recent case showed how powerful Defamation laws, applied online, can be. In November 2006, a Florida woman, Sue Scheff, was awarded $11.3 million in damages in Broward County Circuit Court, in one of the biggest awards ever tolled. The suit was filed for Internet defamation, and the jury found a Louisiana woman had posted caustic messages against the Scheff and her company, claiming she was a "con artist" and "fraud". The jury found the charges were completely false, so the Louisiana woman had no defense. In closing, Internet Defamation is a serious offense and anyone who is thinking about it or has committed it, should seriously consider the consequences.

There is something strange going on here. I looked at the judged icons on the postings and I am shocked. I have just asked simple questions about a situation that has obviously put brothers and sisters in Christ against each other. In the spirit of love I have asked these questions, but I am being called clueless and nuts. Someone even thinks I am spamming the site. The posting on Internet Defamation was taken directly from information that I took the time to research. I even provided the link and an example. This was meant to provide accurate information and proof so that will find themselves in a very serious situation because they were misinformed. I have just asked simple questions, and I only ask for truthful answers. This makes me neither clueless, nuts, a spammer or wrong. I hope that if there is someone with the truth, they will answer my questions and provide proof, not here say, so that I can know for myself what the conclusion of the whole matter is. Once again, I am asking in the spirit of love and brotherhood and not to start problems. Thank you.

So, what do you want to know?
1. Is this a faithful church with good men leading it for you to worship and thrive? Yes it is.
2. Do they have problems? Yes, they do, because humans are the church and they make mistakes.

Is there really anything else important? The elders there will lead you and keep your soul safe as they are shepherding their flock to help them get to heaven. That's their job. You won't find a better bunch of people and men concerned about your soul.

Anything else, I think, would be gossip and as you know, God frowns upon that. As you say, you want to know for yourself. If you really mean that, visit 38th street, speak with the elders and then make your decision. This is not the forum that Godly people should be using to spread "gossip". Only the people involved know what has gone on and that's where it should stay. Really, it's none of your business. If you think someone should be prosecuted for slander, go for it. But the last time I read my Bible, we are told not to take our brother to court. Church matters should be settled among the church and the members involved.

I hope that helps your "curiosity" and you can move on and not listen to sites like this one and use it to make such a serious decision such as your soul's salvation. May God bless and keep you and may His wisdom guide you to His Word to find your answers.

Thank you for responding to me with the spirit of love. You are absolutely right, I will have to see for myself whether things are being done on order at 38th Street. I do disagree with you in some ways though. If I am going to know that I am worshiping in a place where GOD's will is being done, then it should be my business what happened there. The soul is to important to take it is none of your business for an answer. Not to be disrespectful, if I plan on placing my membership there than it should be my business. This again is why I am going to talk to the elders myself.
Another thing that we disagree on is on the matter of taking your brother to court. I am not planning to sue anyone for anything because no one has defamed me, but we as Christians need to truly understand the scriptures as it pertains to the subject. The apostle Paul instructed the Corinthian believers to not go to court against one another in 1 Corithians 6:1-8. However, there are some instances when a lawsuit might be the proper course of action. If the biblical pattern for reconciliation, which is found in Matthew 18:15-17 has been followed and the offending party is still in the wrong, in some instances a lawsuit might be justified.
The whole context of 1 Corinthians 6:1-6 deals with disputes in the church, but Paul does reference the court system when he speaks of judgments concerning things pertaining to this life. Paul means that the court system exists for matters of this life that are outside the church. Church problems should not be taken to the court system, but should be judged within the church. Internet Defamation or slander is not a Church problem, but does pertain to this life and the breaking of the laws of the land, and the Bible speaks of us being subject to those laws in Romans 13:1-5. Therefore, since suing for slander is not a Church matter but a matter pertaining to this life, a Christian has scriptural authority to sue, but only after the offending party refuses to reconcile.
The use of the legal system is not wrong. Acts chapters 21–22 talk about Paul being arrested and wrongfully accused of a crime he did not commit. The Romans arrested him and “the commander brought Paul inside and ordered him lashed with whips to make him confess his crime. He wanted to find out why the crowd had become so furious. As they tied Paul down to lash him, Paul said to the officer standing there,‘Is it legal for you to whip a Roman citizen who hasn't even been tried?’” Paul used the Roman law and his citizenship to protect himself. There is nothing wrong with using the court system as long as it is done with a right motive and a pure heart.
So,should Christians take each other to court? In matters of the Church, no. In matters pertaining to this life, if it can be avoided, no. If the matter can not be avoided and the pattern for reconciliation has been absolved, then a Christian is within biblical rights if they take another Christian to court who has committed a crime against them especially if they have not obeyed and broken the laws of the land.
Thank you again for coming in the right spirit, and I hope that this post is received in the spirit of love, because that is the spirit in which it was written. May GOD bless you and us all and keep us in his everlasting arms of protection.

I'm so happy to hear you are going directly to the elders. I do disagree with you though in that it is none of your business. If incidents happened before your arrival, have nothing to do with you or the church as a whole, but the elders handled it, and you were not affected, I still think it is none of your business or anyone else's. Let it lie. Pray for the strength of the elders and the church, and move on. There is no need to drag things out. Again, humans are just that humans and we are inherently selfish and self-centered.

I appreciate so much that the elders there are strong enough to see a problem and take care of it all in the spirit of protecting their flock. They are an exceptional group of men and I know you will see that when you meet them.

Bless you in your travels and seeking of a congregation to work with in San Diego.

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