Man died of 'excited delirium'

The Need for Safer TASER Policies in North Carolina
A R E P O R T B Y T H E N C T A S E R S A F E T Y P R O J E CT 2008
http://content.news14.com/Taser.pdf

Page 4.

Three important things here:

1. Taser admits: Persons who are pregnant are among those who may be at higher risk” of “serious injury or death.” The electrical current from contact with a TASER poses unique dangers to fetal development.

2. Taser International requires law enforcement officers to sign TASER International Instructor and User Warnings, Risks, Liability Release and Covenant Not to Sue, before subjecting themselves to TASER exposure.

3. Use Against Pregnant Women in NC*

24.3% of counties place restrictions on use

18.6% of counties prohibit use

57.1% of counties PERMIT USE

*2007 Survey Results

The Need for Safer TASER Policies in North Carolina
A REPORT BY THE NC TASER SAFETY PROJECT 2008
http://content.news14.com/Taser.pdf

Page 4.

Three important things here:

1. Taser admits: Persons who are pregnant are among those who may be at higher risk” of “serious injury or death.” The electrical current from contact with a TASER poses unique dangers to fetal development.

2. Taser International requires law enforcement officers to sign TASER International Instructor and User Warnings, Risks, Liability Release and Covenant Not to Sue, before subjecting themselves to TASER exposure.

3. Use Against Pregnant Women in NC*

24.3% of counties place restrictions on use

18.6% of counties prohibit use

57.1% of counties PERMIT USE

*2007 Survey Results

Good evening Buncy hope you have a wonderful weekend.SOunds like its going to be a nice one.Lotsa sunshine but we sorely need the rain.

GenuineNative wrote:

TICKER my old friend how are you?I heard from someone not long ago that you were asking after me.How have you been?I was off line for a while due to some medical problems.When I came back I had to change my name since I had gotten another computer.Glad to see you are still around and ticking. LOL email me at letterzone@ msn.com I will catcha up to date on whats been going on of late.

You've got mail! Let me know what's going on. Hate to hear about the med problems. Yep, still around and still tickin. I have a blog up and running as well. You might enjoy it. http://afticker.blogspot.com/

I'll be waiting to hear from you.

Ticker wrote:

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Looks like Buncy has no real facts to refute that which was presented so he attempts to make personal attack, again without any facts.
Good luck with you BS Buncy, You are not smart enough nor quick enough to even carry water for me or the others you have attempted to ridicule without facts on this subject.

Yes, it's pointless trying to carry on an intelligent conversation with those incapable of intelligence.

This story has so many angles that all I can do is recommend that you read it carefully, top to bottom.

Chicago Tribune - Taser death ignites racial tensions [LINK]

Aside from the racial issue, and aside from the so obvious as to be stupid lies, another important point is the tasered-to-death issue itself:

"...the cause of death as 'cardiac arrest following nine 50,000-volt electroshock applications from a conductive electrical weapon.'..."

"God did not just call this young man home," said Williams, who has served as parish coroner for the past 33 years. "If somebody can tell me anything else that killed this otherwise perfectly healthy young man ... I'd like to know it."

Williams is no stranger to controversy in Winnfield. Back in 2004, his garage was firebombed, and he says he's been shot at 19 times by people upset with the independence of his investigations. He wears a gun holstered at his waist.

"This case may be the most unnecessary death I have ever had to investigate," Williams said. "[Pikes] put up no fuss, no fighting, no physical aggression.... He just didn't respond quickly enough to the officer's commands."

The blatantly-obvious fact is that we are seeing more-and-more deaths in drug-free, healthy, young, non-violent,(often black) men is clear real-world evidence of the true story about tasers.

The good news is that this is becoming so blatantly-obvious that it is getting to the point where the continued denials are starting to look pretty stupid. Even perennial blabbermouth Taser spokespuppets are strangely quiet.

Politicians and senior decision makers will be forced to act.

In the long run, Taser is screwed.

http://excited-delirium.com/

The Brotherhood of Silence
http://excited-delirium.com/
Of course, not all police are bad. The vast majority are just great.

But sometimes some officers make mistakes, or they misbehave, and the police 'brotherhood of silence' approach means that such blatant wrong-doing is often covered up instead of being addressed.

And this brothers above all else approach seems to be extremely common. There appears to be a nearly unlimited number of incidents where we hear no first-hand reports from other officers about the obvious misbehavior of the involved officer(s). There appears to be close to zero incidents where one of the officers stands-up to report on his brothers.

Failing to report (truthfully and completely) such events should be considered to be an extreme case of dereliction of duty. Police chiefs must instigate policies that support the breakdown of this code of silence; to fail to do so is inexcusable. Prosecutors need to call those other officers as witnesses under oath.

This traditional Brotherhood of Silence amongst the police is a huge threat to society and should be treated as such. It is perfectly evil and deserves our contempt.

GenuineNative wrote:

Good evening Buncy hope you have a wonderful weekend.SOunds like its going to be a nice one.Lotsa sunshine but we sorely need the rain.

A great weekend for you too, GN. Today (Saturday) was a scorcher here in Asheville. I wish I had been on the hill in Weaverville.

Taser C2 review
And for those consumers actually thinking about the Taser C2 - here is my review of the concept:

Q1: What if there are two or more assailants? Did you think about that Mr. Only One-Standoff-Shot?

Q2: What if someone gains control of your cute little taser? How will your day go after that?

Q3: How far can you run in 30-seconds? Be honest. 300 feet? And what is the assailant going to do to you when he catches up with you?(And remember, you left your sparking taser on the ground next to him.)

My suggestion:

Take half the $400 cost of a taser, and keep it with you (in twenty $10 bills).

Smaller, lighter, generally more useful. Legal in all states and cities. Cheaper by half. Usable in many more situations.

If you're approached by a mugger, toss the cash at the mugger. It'll take him much longer than 30 seconds to pick-up all the bills. And near-zero chance that he'll run you down and kill you after.

Sound silly to leave the mugger with $200? Well the brain trust at Taser suggests leaving your $400 sparking taser on the ground next to the quivering assailant. May I point out that $200 is approximately $200 less than $400?

Think it through folks.

The Taser C2 - it's just a stupid concept.

http://excited-delirium.com/
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Let's see here... I've had everyone from baseball players to federal agent & cops, as well as surgeons, doctors, nurses, & teachers buy the C2. This year, I've sold 200-300 C2 units all together. Each and every customer found me - no calls, no sales pitches. It's nice to know not everyone shares your opinion.

Another note: I a very small dealer compared to some. Can you imagine how many the bigger guys are selling?

Sparkle on, old pal.

BuncCyBapt wrote:

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A great weekend for you too, GN. Today (Saturday) was a scorcher here in Asheville. I wish I had been on the hill in Weaverville.

I live in a remote valley,surrounded by trees everywhere.Although the temp.gets hot,I am well shaded most of the time.I just cannot tolerate the humidity.It bothers my asthma.

Disabled Ex-nurse:
If you did not use your disability as a crutch then you would not have brought it up in your post. Your disability is irrelevant to the subject at hand. You brought it up and I commented that I am not going to give you sympathy, which I won't. I have known too many people with disabilities and ALL of them that brought up their disabilities ( without being asked ) in their first conversations were looking for some type of sympathy, because it was irrelevant to whatever the discussion was, and you fit that bill. As for your shortened story of your life and accident I only skimmed thru that part because it is irrelevant and you stated that you will no longer engage in debate with me over the taser issue so FYI I feel the same way towards you. I felt the need to clarify how I interperit your disability crutch, so maybe you will stop using it as one, but somehow I just know that your retribution response will chastise me for being "wrong" and "mean" but hey, sometimes the truth hurts, no?
As for the issue of the tasers killing people you are biased and hard-headed and blind as a bat. I have no use discussing this subject with you any further as I am wasting my time trying to get you to see beyond the nose on your face. Enjoy your life, ex-nurse, and try not to use your disability as a crutch...even Ray Charles can see that you are doing so.

Editorial: tragic lesson on tasers

July 19, 2008
Editorial
News-Record, Greensboro, North Carolina

"One young life = one five-day vacation"

That's how one blogger [YOURS TRULY!!] described the punishment meted out to Jerry Dawson, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officer involved in the Taser-related death of a teenage grocery store worker on March 20.

Darryl Turner, 17, died after being Tasered twice by Dawson. One Taser discharge Dawson gave Turner lasted 37 seconds. A standard discharge lasts about five. An autopsy determined that Turner died from heart irregularities.

A police department review commission determined that using force to subdue the unruly clerk was appropriate, but the amount of force used wasn't. The CMPD banned lengthy Taser discharges in 2005, after studies pointed out their problems.

Dawson was suspended for five days without pay and has been ordered to receive more Taser training - a punishment that is little more than a wrist slap. Letting police review boards determine disciplinary action for officers is problematic. At the least, it causes the public to question the fairness of such procedures.

The Dawson case also highlights the need for all law-enforcement agencies to ensure that their officers are well-trained in using Tasers before they begin carrying them.

Tasers are a good tool for law enforcement. They enable the police to subdue people without the use of deadly force and, when used correctly, they are a more humane alternative to such things as nightsticks or pepper spray.

A Taser's effects usually end when the discharge ends. When used as intended, in a short, five-second discharge, few, if any, problems result. Complications arise, as a study by the National Institute of Justice says, through the devices' "continuous or repeated discharge."

Research has found that prolonged Taser use can cause heart and respiratory problems. In one study, researchers used Tasers on 11 pigs for 40 seconds each: Two of the pigs died and the survivors were left with heart irregularities.

With High Point officers beginning to use Tasers next month, most Guilford law-enforcement agencies will be using these devices. The agencies' Taser training needs to include information on times when Taser use went bad.

Officers need to learn about the Florida man who died after being Tasered 12 times and the South Carolina man who died after being Tasered for two minutes and 49 seconds. They need to learn about 17-year-old Darryl Turner, killed at his grocery store job after being Tasered twice for 42 seconds. Arming officers with the facts should mean fewer such tragedies.

links for above:

http://www.news-record.com/content/2008/07/18...

http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com/

http://excited-delirium.com/

360+ DEAD AFTER TASER USE

What follows are the names (where known), dates and locations of all North Americans who have died after they were shocked with taser weapons by law enforcement officials.

http://truthnottasers.blogspot.com/2008/04/wh...

half-back wrote:

Disabled Ex-nurse:
If you did not use your disability as a crutch then you would not have brought it up in your post. Your disability is irrelevant to the subject at hand. You brought it up and I commented that I am not going to give you sympathy, which I won't. I have known too many people with disabilities and ALL of them that brought up their disabilities ( without being asked ) in their first conversations were looking for some type of sympathy, because it was irrelevant to whatever the discussion was, and you fit that bill. As for your shortened story of your life and accident I only skimmed thru that part because it is irrelevant and you stated that you will no longer engage in debate with me over the taser issue so FYI I feel the same way towards you. I felt the need to clarify how I interperit your disability crutch, so maybe you will stop using it as one, but somehow I just know that your retribution response will chastise me for being "wrong" and "mean" but hey, sometimes the truth hurts, no?
As for the issue of the tasers killing people you are biased and hard-headed and blind as a bat. I have no use discussing this subject with you any further as I am wasting my time trying to get you to see beyond the nose on your face. Enjoy your life, ex-nurse, and try not to use your disability as a crutch...even Ray Charles can see that you are doing so.

Believe what you want, half-back....You have a nice
week......

http://www.policelink.com/news_feeds/visit...

A June study by U.S. Department of Justice cautioned law enforcement agencies about repeatedly shocking suspects with stun guns. The study found that many of the deaths they reviewed are associated with repeated shocks. It also warns agencies the medical risks of Tasers are not known, particularly on youths, and urges agencies not to use them whenever possible on small children, people with heart disease, the elderly and pregnant women.

Yet many agencies in North Carolina have no policies limiting the number of shocks or to protect particularly vulnerable groups, according to the N.C. Taser Project. That needs to change, and CMPD should lead the way.

CMPD's policies are being reviewed after Mr. Turner's death. These questions should be included:

Do police officers lean too readily on Tasers rather than reasoning with suspects?

Do guidelines leave too much up to the discretion of officers?

Has training kept up as Tasers have become more powerful and sophisticated?

Mr. Turner's death is proof more must be done to protect the public. Tasers ought to be used sparingly and with strict, consistent limits.

How many of you realize that "STUDIES" are done in a controlled environment with a limited number participating in it.That is why I do not hold much stock in studies because there are far more people in the US than the "studies" can accomodate and the opinions of a choice few cannot speak for the entire population.

GenuineNative wrote:

How many of you realize that "STUDIES" are done in a controlled environment with a limited number participating in it.That is why I do not hold much stock in studies because there are far more people in the US than the "studies" can accomodate and the opinions of a choice few cannot speak for the entire population.

Same goes with polls as far as I am concerened.