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so you get pissed off that someone posted a very common fact about your man Bill White and you start this 'I heard' crap? Well I 'heard' you could get AIDS from a toilet seat and I 'heard' Elvis was alive and well living in Mexico....but it's all a bunch of......
Not to mention that Bill did not have to cheat people out of money in order to support his family. That says something about ethics and morality too. Taking money for legal work not rendered, then dumping the client off on the PD's office --what a Godly man!
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seriously, are there only 3 of you who masturbate and write on this board??? what is your deal? matt is better than bill, wah wah wah. shut up and go help bill and frank get a job. LOSERS!
I thought I heard that Bill had a job with Communities in Schools. But then again he does not run around the area like John Gosselin looking for some media attention. I can't stand narcissistic media hores.
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Not to mention that Bill did not have to cheat people out of money in order to support his family. That says something about ethics and morality too. Taking money for legal work not rendered, then dumping the client off on the PD's office --what a Godly man!
I think we ALL know that the lawsuit filed against Matt Shirk WAS without question politically motivated. It doesn't take a lawyer OR a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
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I thought I heard that Bill had a job with Communities in Schools. But then again he does not run around the area like John Gosselin looking for some media attention. I can't stand narcissistic media hores.

Bill White has no reason to look for media attention. He lost the election. Why would he want name recognition? Why would Matt Shirk want media attention? Oh, duh, because he's going to be running for re-election before you know it and people like you are going to slander his name and drag him through the mud. Matt Shirk is only doing what any other official in elected office should do if they want to continue in the job.

I would also say that we ALL know who the 5 or so posters are on this blog. You all have big mouths and when you tell people about your posts, those people tell other people and then all of us in this small criminal legal community know who you are. There aren't that many of us that actually read this crap. This is all old BS that most of us are tired of hearing about. Why don't you all grow up and move past the fact that the election is over. Bill White LOST and you don't work there any longer.
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I think we ALL know that the lawsuit filed against Matt Shirk WAS without question politically motivated. It doesn't take a lawyer OR a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
No, I think the client just wanted his money back. Would it have been right to keep the money under the circumstances? Is David Taylor teaching ethics?
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No, I think the client just wanted his money back. Would it have been right to keep the money under the circumstances? Is David Taylor teaching ethics?
He TOLD them that he would not be able to put alot of time into it. As far as I am concerned, they dug their own grave.
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He TOLD them that he would not be able to put alot of time into it. As far as I am concerned, they dug their own grave.
Hmm. Were you there for the consultation? Obviously the court did not see it that way. Or the court felt like even if you DID tell then that, it is not right or ethical. And your response to that, Real Truth...
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Hmm. Were you there for the consultation? Obviously the court did not see it that way. Or the court felt like even if you DID tell then that, it is not right or ethical. And your response to that, Real Truth...
Hmmmm, they settled out of court. So clearly the court did not have too much to say on this topic. Maybe Matt didnt want to deal with this political hit job from all of the liberal trial lawyers out there.
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Bill White has no reason to look for media attention. He lost the election. Why would he want name recognition? Why would Matt Shirk want media attention? Oh, duh, because he's going to be running for re-election before you know it and people like you are going to slander his name and drag him through the mud. Matt Shirk is only doing what any other official in elected office should do if they want to continue in the job.
I would also say that we ALL know who the 5 or so posters are on this blog. You all have big mouths and when you tell people about your posts, those people tell other people and then all of us in this small criminal legal community know who you are. There aren't that many of us that actually read this crap. This is all old BS that most of us are tired of hearing about. Why don't you all grow up and move past the fact that the election is over. Bill White LOST and you don't work there any longer.
I don't know who these 5 posters are-please enlighten me! If all this is only the rants and raves of 5 people what is the point of this. And whatever happened to Sean Espenship's delightful comments...is he one of the 5?
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I don't know who these 5 posters are-please enlighten me! If all this is only the rants and raves of 5 people what is the point of this. And whatever happened to Sean Espenship's delightful comments...is he one of the 5?
Who cares?
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Hmmmm, they settled out of court. So clearly the court did not have too much to say on this topic. Maybe Matt didnt want to deal with this political hit job from all of the liberal trial lawyers out there.
Mmmmm. Koolaid. My favorite.
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Thursday Nov 12
 
Check out Jacksonville.com . Nice little piece on Corey and Chief Judge. Fighting over a $400,000. skyway bridge to the courthouse. Wonder who will win that battle?
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Check out Jacksonville.com . Nice little piece on Corey and Chief Judge. Fighting over a $400,000. skyway bridge to the courthouse. Wonder who will win that battle?
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-11-12...

Arguments for and against a $400,000 elevated bridge connecting the prosecutor’s office and the new Duval County Courthouse hinge on security. State Attorney Angela Corey says it’s essential for the safety of her attorneys and staff, who shuttle back and forth between their offices and the courthouse several times a day.

But Chief Circuit Judge Donald Moran says it just creates another access point into the courthouse that will have to be secured.
The proposed bridge, referred to in some cities as a skyway, would be enclosed and connect the buildings at the third floor.

The final design of the $350 million project isn’t complete, but the city expects to make a decision on the bridge in the next few weeks, said Misty Skipper, spokeswoman for Mayor John Peyton.

About $20 million has been set aside to renovate the old federal courthouse, where the State Attorney’s Office will be located.
The pricetag for the bridge has dropped from about $800,000 by reducing its width, but the final cost won’t be determined until the final designs are done.

“I wouldn’t be asking for a bridge if it wasn’t necessary for the safety of our employees,” Corey said, noting that the structure will be far more expensive to add after the courthouse is up and running.

Prosecutors now walk across Market Street from their offices to the courthouse. Corey said her attorneys are often threatened by the families of people being prosecuted, but she didn’t know of any incidents where prosecutors have been harmed walking between the two buildings.

Moran says the bridge is a waste of money for people walking just 110 feet. He also called it a safety risk because the prosecutors would control who gets bridge access. Corey said everyone who gets into her office has already gone through security, so that’s a moot point.

“Judges should worry about their security and we’ll worry about ours,” said Mike Weinstein, assistant state attorney and executive director of the office.

While Moran questioned whether he’d have to build a bridge for the Public Defender’s Office, too, Corey insists her needs are greater.

Her attorneys and staff are often going to get warrants signed by judges, and prosecutors are involved in every criminal case, while public defenders only handle some, Corey said.

A spokesman for the Public Defender’s Office declined comment.

When four firms were part of a courthouse design competition back in 2002, each design included an elevated bridge. But, as everyone affiliated with the project acknowledges, much has changed since then.

The first budget was $190 million, with a 2005 completion date. After various budget disputes and the firings of consultants and contractors, construction finally began this year.

The initial design included a large dome visible from the interstate, and the dome became the target of elected officials and other who pegged the building as too extravagant.

Money’s tight and Moran said he can’t justify anything non-essential — including the bridge — for the new courthouse.
Even so, the judge said:“If you ask me if I’d rather have a dome or a bridge, I’d pick the dome.”
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http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-11-12...
Arguments for and against a $400,000 elevated bridge connecting the prosecutor’s office and the new Duval County Courthouse hinge on security. State Attorney Angela Corey says it’s essential for the safety of her attorneys and staff, who shuttle back and forth between their offices and the courthouse several times a day.
But Chief Circuit Judge Donald Moran says it just creates another access point into the courthouse that will have to be secured.
The proposed bridge, referred to in some cities as a skyway, would be enclosed and connect the buildings at the third floor.
The final design of the $350 million project isn’t complete, but the city expects to make a decision on the bridge in the next few weeks, said Misty Skipper, spokeswoman for Mayor John Peyton.
About $20 million has been set aside to renovate the old federal courthouse, where the State Attorney’s Office will be located.
The pricetag for the bridge has dropped from about $800,000 by reducing its width, but the final cost won’t be determined until the final designs are done.
“I wouldn’t be asking for a bridge if it wasn’t necessary for the safety of our employees,” Corey said, noting that the structure will be far more expensive to add after the courthouse is up and running.
Prosecutors now walk across Market Street from their offices to the courthouse. Corey said her attorneys are often threatened by the families of people being prosecuted, but she didn’t know of any incidents where prosecutors have been harmed walking between the two buildings.
Moran says the bridge is a waste of money for people walking just 110 feet. He also called it a safety risk because the prosecutors would control who gets bridge access. Corey said everyone who gets into her office has already gone through security, so that’s a moot point.
“Judges should worry about their security and we’ll worry about ours,” said Mike Weinstein, assistant state attorney and executive director of the office.
While Moran questioned whether he’d have to build a bridge for the Public Defender’s Office, too, Corey insists her needs are greater.
Her attorneys and staff are often going to get warrants signed by judges, and prosecutors are involved in every criminal case, while public defenders only handle some, Corey said.
A spokesman for the Public Defender’s Office declined comment.
When four firms were part of a courthouse design competition back in 2002, each design included an elevated bridge. But, as everyone affiliated with the project acknowledges, much has changed since then.
The first budget was $190 million, with a 2005 completion date. After various budget disputes and the firings of consultants and contractors, construction finally began this year.
The initial design included a large dome visible from the interstate, and the dome became the target of elected officials and other who pegged the building as too extravagant.
Money’s tight and Moran said he can’t justify anything non-essential — including the bridge — for the new courthouse.
Even so, the judge said:“If you ask me if I’d rather have a dome or a bridge, I’d pick the dome.”
I bet the SAO would prefer if the PDO would use the sewer to get back and forth to the courthouse!
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Perhaps this was what all of the alleged fight between Angela and Matt was about:
From the article about the jail being overcrowded.

"Public Defender Matt Shirk

Shirk questioned whether the system is operating as efficiently as possible. He said high bails have an impact, but clearly so does Corey’s policy of trying more cases.

“We’re trying 70 percent more cases than we were last year, so people are staying in jail longer,” he said.“That’s a huge part of the issue.”

Shirk wrote Corey two weeks ago urging her office to use more caution and scrutiny in taking cases to trial. He said numerous cases are being tried that are “questionable and at times unfounded,” and gave four examples of misdemeanor defendants acquitted at trial.

He said trying cases that should be resolved before trial is unfair to taxpayers, defendants, the court system “and ultimately to the U.S. Constitution ... which you and I have sworn to uphold.”

“If I cannot affect such a change through one-on-one communication with you, a friend and fellow public servant, I will consider it my fiduciary responsibility and duty to pursue alternative means of accomplishing this goal to conserve taxpayer dollars,” Shirk wrote. He said by that he means going to the Legislature or more aggressively filing motions to dismiss cases.

Corey replied that he should be filing such motions, anyway, if he believes a case shouldn’t be prosecuted. In the examples he cited, she said she believes the public would agree those cases should have been prosecuted “and let the justice system take its course.”

Shirk said he supports giving prosecutors authority to plea out third-degree felonies at first-appearance court, much like many misdemeanors get resolved now. He also proposed a warrant amnesty day in which people with minor arrest warrants could get their case disposed of with the trade-off that they wouldn’t go to jail."
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Bill White has no reason to look for media attention. He lost the election. Why would he want name recognition? Why would Matt Shirk want media attention? Oh, duh, because he's going to be running for re-election before you know it and people like you are going to slander his name and drag him through the mud. Matt Shirk is only doing what any other official in elected office should do if they want to continue in the job.
I would also say that we ALL know who the 5 or so posters are on this blog. You all have big mouths and when you tell people about your posts, those people tell other people and then all of us in this small criminal legal community know who you are. There aren't that many of us that actually read this crap. This is all old BS that most of us are tired of hearing about. Why don't you all grow up and move past the fact that the election is over. Bill White LOST and you don't work there any longer.
I bet money that people like YOU will be looking for jobs in a few years.
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I bet money that people like YOU will be looking for jobs in a few years.
Interesting comment you made. Only time will tell what happens when the next election comes around. When is the next election and how much sooner than that do those who want to run have to put their names in the hat?
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Interesting comment you made. Only time will tell what happens when the next election comes around. When is the next election and how much sooner than that do those who want to run have to put their names in the hat?
Next election for PD and SA is November 2012. They have one week in May 2012 to qualify (not sure which week) so we will know then who is running.
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Fight wrote:
Perhaps this was what all of the alleged fight between Angela and Matt was about:
From the article about the jail being overcrowded.
"Public Defender Matt Shirk
Shirk questioned whether the system is operating as efficiently as possible. He said high bails have an impact, but clearly so does Corey’s policy of trying more cases.
“We’re trying 70 percent more cases than we were last year, so people are staying in jail longer,” he said.“That’s a huge part of the issue.”
Shirk wrote Corey two weeks ago urging her office to use more caution and scrutiny in taking cases to trial. He said numerous cases are being tried that are “questionable and at times unfounded,” and gave four examples of misdemeanor defendants acquitted at trial.
He said trying cases that should be resolved before trial is unfair to taxpayers, defendants, the court system “and ultimately to the U.S. Constitution ... which you and I have sworn to uphold.”
“If I cannot affect such a change through one-on-one communication with you, a friend and fellow public servant, I will consider it my fiduciary responsibility and duty to pursue alternative means of accomplishing this goal to conserve taxpayer dollars,” Shirk wrote. He said by that he means going to the Legislature or more aggressively filing motions to dismiss cases.
Corey replied that he should be filing such motions, anyway, if he believes a case shouldn’t be prosecuted. In the examples he cited, she said she believes the public would agree those cases should have been prosecuted “and let the justice system take its course.”
Shirk said he supports giving prosecutors authority to plea out third-degree felonies at first-appearance court, much like many misdemeanors get resolved now. He also proposed a warrant amnesty day in which people with minor arrest warrants could get their case disposed of with the trade-off that they wouldn’t go to jail."
Where did that come from? What news organization or website? As a side note only three of the four mentioned cases in Matts letter were tried already. All four should be tried or should have been. Just because not every case is a winner doesnt mean that what is charged isnt a crime.
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Where did that come from? What news organization or website? As a side note only three of the four mentioned cases in Matts letter were tried already. All four should be tried or should have been. Just because not every case is a winner doesnt mean that what is charged isnt a crime.
All you had to do was Google any portion of the article that poster quoted and you would have discovered it was from the following website:

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-11-15...
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