CA Proposition 23 - Global Warming

garden sizer wrote:

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many people dont know that you have to maintain the batteries...
which includes keeping them within certain parameters.
yet, I wonder why the solar market keeps expanding more and more each year?? must be armies of people out there who just want to throw away money.??
or why shasta(full of repubs) wants the 299e corridor to become the wind turbine corridor???
I guess alternative energy is just a passing hoax??
too bad for your pitch, reality doesnt resemble your arguement in the slightest.
but that is how most of the tripe from the far right comes off.

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Drive by a wind farm, seems like 3/4 of them are not working. Very high maintenance. and a bird killer.

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garden sizer wrote:

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I find it ridiculous when far right wingers bring up environmenal issues as a reason not to proceed with wind towers.

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Yeah, all right wingers want every animal wiped off the planet and the middle class wiped out and ....and .....lol..

garden sizer wrote:

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many of them are only in use during peak hrs....
it is not the primary means of generation, so the old ways keep chugging away until wwe need them.
I can see wind to a primary source.....they just have to learn how to store wind and solar power better(there is another technology being developed)
yet they should be dismissed as a passing phase.
do you deny that oil is going to run short(and get very expensive) if not run out compleatly in the next century??
Im looking for cleaner ways(not just with cost in mind)
to replace our current dirty regime of power production.
50% of the power generated in this country is from coal still.
so any windmills are welcome!!
even if they just take one household off the grid.
easy to do.
the big ones ARE also bird killers.
this Is why i prefer solar and hydro.
yet, I find it ridiculous when far right wingers bring up environmenal issues as a reason not to proceed with wind towers.
the bigger picture is to save each species from extinction, due to poisoning our little, fragile environment here on earth.
your choice of energy policies would evetually do that...
have you see what industrial pollution has done to bird populations and especially bird migration??
Id expect you to be up on these issues if you're an advocate for our winged friends.

Birds Landing Bob wrote:

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With all your blowhardieness about "repowering" why are you forgetting to mention nuclear? That is after all what most other industrialized countries are using.
To blow your theory about why the solar panel industry is still alive, it is not from individuals or businesses doing anything without the accompanying government incentives or in most cases it is government agencies buying the panels directly.

Here Is One wrote:

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Bob you must know that I am very conservative and no believer in the lies of fat gore but you have solar dead wrong......
I installed a system on my house in California and not counting the rebates and tax credits PG&E sent me enough checks in less than 5 years to pay for the system and it had a 30 year warranty on it...
I have a friend in Colorado that his system paid for itself even quicker as he is at 9k feet and gets more sun than Sonoma County Ca and he heats 90 percent of his hot water as well as produces more energy than he can use....
I have been there on a ski trip and the gas hot water heater did not kick on until the 3rd shower was started and the out door temps were below freezing..... He has radiant heat from the solar panels and the water is always at least 70 degrees in the floors....He has back up wood heat also but when he is gone (90 percent of the time) his freeze alarm has never gone off and it is set for 50 degrees.
So in the six years that the house has been finished even with nobody there the house has never dipped below 50 degrees even as the outside temp could be zero.
As for the PV panels most are being bought by companies not the government and many countries like here in Mexico have no tax incentive and no government subsidies yet business after business are installing solar panels....
Carlos Slim claims that his solar farm he built two years ago is the most profitable business he owns.....
And when the richest man in the world says solar was his best investment ever it might be worth a minute looking into solar systems
That said the government subsidizes need to stop and bailing out any company is wrong and oslama the economy slayer knew that Solyndra would fail and gave them our tax dollars anyways....

Birds Landing Bob wrote:

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With all your blowhardieness about "repowering" why are you forgetting to mention nuclear? That is after all what most other industrialized countries are using.
To blow your theory about why the solar panel industry is still alive, it is not from individuals or businesses doing anything without the accompanying government incentives or in most cases it is government agencies buying the panels directly.

David Miller wrote:

This has all been cleared up, didn't you get the memo?

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mitt goldwater wrote:

mitt is NOw officialy toast!!
what incompetance...
glad he reveled how NOT ready for prime time he actually is, before the election....
barry goldwater and bob dole's(mabey walter mondale) candidacy, comes to mind.
ps: his advise to Iran on how to 'dirty bomb" a major Us city(chicago) was enightning as to how he might handle a major international crisis.
the romney campaign has foriegn policy positions, yet to be announced.....
he will have to face the music on october 3rd at the debate.