Even Barack Obama will be judged by what he does as president

Fielding Mellish wrote:

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Wow, you're not even mixing it with water. You're swallowing the kool aid right from the pouch! GO RUSH GO!!

please explain to me how FDR took the US out of the depression.

in your own words.... no cutting and pasting.

Quite Frankly wrote:

I'm fading to black. No pun intended. But then, it is kinda punny at that.

You're fading to black white now? Hue appear to be shady. Lighten up.

Quite Frankly wrote:

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PRAY TO GOD WE ALL MAKE IT THROUGH THIS DEPRESSION.

Try Paxil and stop shouting.

oriana wrote:

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please explain to me how FDR took the US out of the depression.
in your own words.... no cutting and pasting.

FDR got us out of the depression by spending!
Spending like a mad man on social and infrastructure programs. Sure we ended up with some debt but it ended the depression.
FDR was the most enlightened and socially responsible pres we have ever had.
Now we have Obama, another man of profound enlightenment. It is not for you to question but to pick up a shovel and help carry the burden so we can build again.
Obama is a pure genius. The new stimulus and other programs announced today will help us out of the Bush depression.
Spend Obama Spend!

Mark in Chicago wrote:

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FDR got us out of the depression by spending!
Spending like a mad man on social and infrastructure programs. Sure we ended up with some debt but it ended the depression.
FDR was the most enlightened and socially responsible pres we have ever had.
Now we have Obama, another man of profound enlightenment. It is not for you to question but to pick up a shovel and help carry the burden so we can build again.
Obama is a pure genius. The new stimulus and other programs announced today will help us out of the Bush depression.
Spend Obama Spend!

well, 200 economists say that it won’t work.

even FDR's treasury secretary said that spending made the depression lat longer than it should have.

History proves your "theory" wrong.

and tell me where you got your economic degree

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/mound-city-m...

Obama has created a cult like following in America. If you asked many of his flock what is government polices are they could not provide any logical answer. The constant media hype about him and conducting interviews with his lemmings on radio and television is almost Stalinist / Jamestownish in manner.(At this point Obama could take a dump on the White House lawn, wipe his butt with the American Flag, and have Osama over for a slumber party in the Lincoln Bedroom. His followers and news media would support these actions.) If anyone questioned him or made negative comments about his actions the response is always the same “You are racist.”One radio show actually went on the streets of Harlem asking people ridiculous questions like

“What do you think of Obama appointing Marion Barry as Secretary of State?”

The answer all provided was that it was a good decision and I support him. This is exactly the answer I would expect in such an environment. The same answer would also be provided in black majority cities like Detroit, Washington D.C., and Atlanta. The facts are many blacks voted for Obama strictly because of the color of his skin and have no idea of his governmental policies either foreign or domestic.

The real trick Obama accomplished was having the millions of liberal whites fall for his propaganda. This was also accomplished with the help of the news media and celebrities. If you are looking to Oprah, Tom Cruise, or Sean Penn for voting guidance than you should not be casting any vote. Unfortunately this country allows uneducated and uninformed people to caste votes when they have no idea how their vote may effect the future and other Americans.

Liberals and the media seem to think that everyone voted for the Messiah Obama. Well 52.9% did but 45.6% did not. This shows that there still was and or is a substantial amount of the US population that did not fall for the Obama hype.

Bush was certainly not the greatest President of the United States, but the United States has made a horrible decision voting Obama into office. The next four years will lead to nothing but a weaker United States both at home and abroad.

opinions are like #$%sh(*&s, everyone has one

It's interesting that a handful of people on these boards feel they have a monopoly on the truth and can predict doom for the US all because of our new President. Believe me, if any of them were that good, they'd have the winning lotto numbers and be on an island in the Caribbean instead of posturing and screaming on these boards.

I think we should print out all their statements of how the US is going Socialist, it's the end of the world, our President is evil, Palin will be our next President,(or plug in ridiculous rant/accusation of your choice) and wait until their predictions DON'T happen and remind them. Not that it will do any good.

I've read posts by people who put forth lies as facts (hey, surrounding your lies in quotation marks and putting a 'source' after it doesn't make it true), and get angrier and nastier as people question them. When we do stuff like this, we are stooping lower than the crap we are screaming against.

No one can tell someone else they are not a good American, or that they should stop posting, or leave the country, or take their meds, etc., ESPECIALLY since they do so under the cover of being anonymous.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that I can't take someone seriously that calls me names for disagreeing with them or has to insist it's 'my way or the highway' to everything.

Buck up. Barack Obama is our President. He won't be impeached because some right-wing tax evading nut bag thinks he isn't a citizen. The US will not suddenly be overrun with Communists. Obama is NOT Muslim, or the devil, nor is he the 'Messiah' or the 'Chosen One'(nomenclature given by his opposition, not his supporters). If we could stop acting like spoiled children and help our communities and others instead of 'where's mine?','if others get welfare and don't work, why should I do anything' or any number of waaa waaa stuff people post, we might succeed at crawling out of this mess.

However, if you feel justified in just being angry because your candidate isn't in the White House, and all you offer the country is bile and hatred, YOU are part of the problem.

oriana wrote:

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well, 200 economists say that it won’t work.
even FDR's treasury secretary said that spending made the depression lat longer than it should have.
History proves your "theory" wrong.
and tell me where you got your economic degree
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/mound-city-m...

Who cares what those economists think?
This is what the majority voted for...maybe you didn’t get the memo...Obama Won!
Were going to get change.
This will work because Obama knows what he is doing and says it can.
If it fails then the blame rests with greedy people like you who would not share the wealth, equalize the prosperity and shoulder your socially responsible share.

oriana wrote:

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well, 200 economists say that it won’t work.
even FDR's treasury secretary said that spending made the depression lat longer than it should have.
History proves your "theory" wrong.
and tell me where you got your economic degree
http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/mound-city-m...

who are the 200 economists? Do you have a list? History doesn't prove a theory wrong, by the way. That is impossible, unless you've developed Time Travel.

Not that it matters, because I'm sure you will find some insult to my background and education, but I spent years doing independent and secondary research into 20th Century US Social History (and earned a Graduate Degree with top honors), so I think I can opine on this. I also took entire Graduate-level courses on FDR and the New Deal, and I say YOU are wrong.

So, you can say I'm wrong, as it's your right, like you said the other poster was wrong, but it's my right to say YOU are wrong, because my own research shows you to be wrong.

oriana wrote:

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please explain to me how FDR took the US out of the depression.
in your own words.... no cutting and pasting.

WWII took us out of the depression - started by the Republicans. I don't cut and paste - that's your MO!

Eat Dirt! Barry won't be judged by anything. Just the fact that he is our first Hawaiian-American Presidents, he walks on wat for anyone, or the media, to judge.

Andi wrote:

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who are the 200 economists? Do you have a list? History doesn't prove a theory wrong, by the way. That is impossible, unless you've developed Time Travel.
Not that it matters, because I'm sure you will find some insult to my background and education, but I spent years doing independent and secondary research into 20th Century US Social History (and earned a Graduate Degree with top honors), so I think I can opine on this. I also took entire Graduate-level courses on FDR and the New Deal, and I say YOU are wrong.
So, you can say I'm wrong, as it's your right, like you said the other poster was wrong, but it's my right to say YOU are wrong, because my own research shows you to be wrong.

Since you read a book, you are so much smarter than the rest of us. Even though the New deal helped drag out the depression longer than it need to be, you can continue to believe what you wish.

Jayne wrote:

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Since you read a book, you are so much smarter than the rest of us. Even though the New deal helped drag out the depression longer than it need to be, you can continue to believe what you wish.

Hey, thanks!

Enginnerd wrote:

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Government is not capable of fixing the economy that their policies ruined. The private sector did not cause this, but thats what they want you to believe. Continue to look to Government for the answers and you are now a slave to it.

Yes the government (Phil Gramm) allowed the private sector to run amuck, but it was the private sector that over leveraged itself, invented scammy derivatives, and puffed up the economy to the failure point.
When you know what SIVs and CDOs are we can talk more.
Otherwise you are just a slave to corporate America, that dumps on taxpayers every 10 years or so.

Mark in Chicago wrote:

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Who cares what those economists think?
This is what the majority voted for...maybe you didn’t get the memo...Obama Won!
Were going to get change.
This will work because Obama knows what he is doing and says it can.
If it fails then the blame rests with greedy people like you who would not share the wealth, equalize the prosperity and shoulder your socially responsible share.

–$20.0 billion to increase the maximum benefit under…Food Stamps…
–$18.5 billion for energy efficiency and renewable energy…
–$20.4 billion for programs administered by the Department of health and Human Services…
–$17.6 billion for Pell grants…
–$29.1 billion for other elementary and secondary educational programs…
–$13.1 billion for other transportation programs
–$11.2 billion for housing assistance programs administered by HUD
–$19.5 billion (minimum, could be higher, as per Title XIII) for education grants to states
–$27.1 billion for increase unemployment benefits
–$13.3 billion to increase health insurance for unemployed workers
–$11.1 billion for “Other Unemployment Compensation”
–$20.2 billion for Medicaid and Medicare incentive payments

That is what democrats did in the 1930's that helped turn the national recession into a national depression.

and 52 MILLION people did NOT vote for Obama

Andi wrote:

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who are the 200 economists? Do you have a list? History doesn't prove a theory wrong, by the way. That is impossible, unless you've developed Time Travel.
Not that it matters, because I'm sure you will find some insult to my background and education, but I spent years doing independent and secondary research into 20th Century US Social History (and earned a Graduate Degree with top honors), so I think I can opine on this. I also took entire Graduate-level courses on FDR and the New Deal, and I say YOU are wrong.
So, you can say I'm wrong, as it's your right, like you said the other poster was wrong, but it's my right to say YOU are wrong, because my own research shows you to be wrong.

I'm a economist with a masters from NYU, with over 20 years experience.

you're a history major.... and your professor told you that FDR spent the country out of a depression?

LOL

you should demand your money back!

the list of the 200 economists are listed at my link.