Who are darker, Greeks, Spaniards or Italians?

Mark-Norway wrote:

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Yeah, unbelievable but true. It is the same case of many italo-argentinians and in their case is a cultural inherited factor. Argentinians of italian descent are probably the most racist peoples of Latin America. They despise native indians and consider themselves superior because of their european ancestry. Many of these moronic and racist idiots write in forums denigrating strongly Spain or spaniards in general. They still think that their italic ancestry gives them superiority even over spaniards to whom they traditionally consider "less european" only God knows why!. These idiots are like those pre-programmed robots I was talking about in my last comment: they are programmed with all kind of stupid decimononic nordic supremacist prejudices.
These argentinians are very proud of their northern italic ancestry but no one will never acknowledge any southern italian ancestry.Why not? well I already talked about it: like the racist idiots they left at the other side of the atlantic, they think that northern italians are "nordic peoples" while southern italians are "african arabic". These argentinians have imported all kind of typical italic racist prejudices, like the dichotomy north-south they live everyday in Italy between northern italians and "terroni"...all this is the base of their racial complex. A very big racial complex believe me, as you can state by reading their moronic racist comments. Oh my God!.
In reality all this racist idiocy is their particular way of scape to a very hard and difficult economical and political situation, with increasing poverty both in Italy and Argentina.

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Castilian-Leonese wrote:

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IdontBelieve. It Is quite clear that you are a racist like Paul. Sentences like “claiming ther fairiness”,“celt blod in in Iberia (wich is not)”, avoiding the scientific facts and that “COON maps” showing that italians are “little fairer”. Please...
It seems that you have the truh about celts in iberia,¿isnt it?“Celt blood” is sometimes misstaken by “rb1 haplotype”. I dont care if rb1 means “celt blood” or not. The fact is that we carry this haplotype. The fact is that celtic culture was (and is but less) part 2/3 iberia long time ago.¿Why this make you so angry against us?. I cant stop reading messages written by italians whose goal is put down spaniards selecting pictures of the darkest spaniards, overexagerating the impact of arabs, etc.¿Whats the matter if the guy in eupedia is the same?¿You as italians get offended when you read someone “defending” portugeses or spaniards in those forums or what? I cant understand, seriously.¿You italians feel better if we spaniards are darker and dont carry r1b or what? Tell me, please.
¿Thats your way you defend italy?.

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Mark-Norway wrote:

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Buuuuuuhhhhhh! chiaccherare, chiaccherare senza niente dire! Typical Italian! You talk, and talk, and talk...but you never say nothing of real value as you know nothing, as when you cited to Socrates. Tu ti perdi in chiacchere mio caro amico!! what a waste of time!.You only write incoherent nonsenses and you are so weak-minded that you dont even realize it!.
I know very well that many italians are real comediants like you. They never say nothing valuable. They only talk (or write) just for the pleasure of doing that. very latino!.
I am fed up of your idiocy and your italic babble-chatter-twitter as many other persons here. I am not interested at all in your void italic chiacchera: I am only interested in facts and facts are very clear.I am not going to repeat them as they are already stated all over the thread.
You have never been able to prove us wrong and you never will.Capito? ;-) Hehehe!LOL!

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Mark-Norway wrote:

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Hahahaha!. Yes you deserve the mafioso Berlusca clown no doubt!. You also deserve the sorpasso, as Spain is already richer than Italy and is also a politically more important country!.You also deserve all the ruin, decadence, mafia and corruption you got in Italy, as its clearly becoming a third world country in which even democracy, liberty or civil rights are at risk!. Vaffanculo Pagliaccio!:D, LOL!

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Mark-Norway wrote:

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Well yes after all that incoherent and childish illogical writting and all that wasteful chiacchera I dont really understand at all what this "Idontbelive" funny italic comediant clown is defending! Anyone could please help me? Thanks in advance...

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Wesleyanum wrote:

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Let me ask you something, why does it seem to bother you that Spaniards and Portuguese have a very significant Celtic substratum and many, particularly the Western two thirds of Iberia, match or correlate genetically with other Atlantic peoples? Have you read the research? The evidence is overwhelming. My heavens, the Irish even have a saying: "Mil Hispania", it has to do with the origin of Ireland's people. The Welsh also have a similar awareness. Look it up. These things have to do with hard scientific and historical facts. Why should you be concerned about it? Why? It's the damned truth, for god's sake. What, you want me to lie and claim that Iberians are Egyptian or Eskimo or some other crap? Come on already, the facts are there for everyone to explore. Grow up!

Ranvir wrote:

Who cares who is the darkest. You get people of different colours in the same region. My family are from North India where people are lighter than the people of South India but you will get some South Indians that are lighter than North Indians. The further South you go in Northern Hemisphere Countries the darker people are. The reason for this is climate. Not because of invasions from certain countries. In the state of Kashmir which is located in North West India in the himalayas, people are very fair skinned due to the cold climate.
Besides there's nothing wrong with being dark, better than being very pasty!

ICantBelieve wrote:

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Actually you don't know if i'm from south Italy living in the north or northern italian then your accuse can't hit me.
Anyway my statement "claiming their fairiness" was part of a more complicated comment where i accused wesleayana to compare at the same time southern italians with middle easterners pointing to state spaniards and portuguese are nordic and celts(which is not the truth.You can be white as snow having any nordic or celt dna by the way).
As for the celts i never said there is not some celtic blood in Spain,i said there isn't nordic blood or very few just like in Italy a thing that is well documented by scientists and genetists.
Moreover the Biasutti and Coon map i typed don't tell you the genetic affiliation with "non-europeans" but the several subraces of european peoples,so i can't see where you see my racism.
I see a lot more racism in you accusing me of racism when a non racist would never have problems to accept a darker skin tone and i 'm not saying spaniards are more than italians or the other way around.
To me is more hypocrite racism accusing Greeks and southern Italians to be different from Iberians(from some Iberians cause you are not completely free from non western haplogroups by the way)as Mark and Wesleyana did and at the same time claiming they don't care about skin tone or being nordic or whatever they want(and even here we could debate what a non racist could care about skin tone of greeks and southern italians and the r1b of spaniards..).
As for Italians writing comments about spaniards i could tell the same of spaniards against italians,but what amaze me is that this board has been overtaken by spaniards and not by italians;
That the few italians(who are not italians) being known as trolls, are working against italians too and they have been rejected in several sites by other italians while the anti-italian spaniards are celebrated everywhere and people like Wesleayana goes in every topic to slander the southern italians and to say that north italians are not fair as north Spaniards or north portguese.
Weird is that not only they claim this against those stupids like the fake italian guy before,but they also address their anthipaty to Italy when it comes from foreigners which can't be accused of partiality.
If someone who is not spaniard says north spaniards are whiter than us i don't give two cents until it doesn't trespasses the global abuse.

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Who cares who is the darkest. You get people of different colours in the same region. My family are from North India where people are lighter than the people of South India but you will get some South Indians that are lighter than North Indians. The further South you go in Northern Hemisphere Countries the darker people are. The reason for this is climate. Not because of invasions from certain countries. In the state of Kashmir which is located in North West India in the himalayas, people are very fair skinned due to the cold climate.
Besides there's nothing wrong with being dark, better than being very pasty!

ICantBelieve wrote:

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I don't care at all what you and iberians are unless it doesn't become an anti-italian approach.
I don't care what haplogroup you carry on and how similar you are to irish.
The problems come when you try to depict southern Italians as middle asterners(when a large percentage of y haplogroups in Iberia are all but r1b)and when at the same times you make it as an excuse to claim you are fairer than italians when in the european range of subtypes of many serious genetic maps is not like that at all.
Did i ever say that North Italians are alpines and dinarics with a large substratum of alpine celts or people from Veneto come from veneti similar to people of eastern France and then differents from Andalusians or many portuguese or even some Galicians who carry a lot of non-european Mtdna?
Nope,than i would suggest you the same when talking about southern italians and greeks.

ICantBelieve wrote:

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The problem is not if anyone could help you to understand me the problem is to make you understand something.
moronic resentful iberic wannabe norse..

ICantBelieve wrote:

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LOL
I already typed you how long the list of your corrupt alcaldes are...
There isn't any risk of democracy in Italy,you read too much that pro-Zapatero shit called ElMundo...lol
A very good source for brainwashed as you who still think that a country as Spain could reach the italian level...lol
Spain didn't overclass anybody you have been overclassed by Brasil too...
You can barely reach the G20 and you' d like to talk about a 1st world country as Italy who has been always ahead of you since 150 years...
LOL
Mavvafanculo te e quel finocchio di Zapatero,coglione..lol
I'm sorry for Castillan-Leonese guy who look like a nice guy and please take my comments as only direct to that brainless MarkNorway.

ICantBelieve wrote:

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Yes we are comediants,the sons of a greatest culture coming from romans and Virgil which you(marknorway)will never(if you are not a spaniard disguised as a norse) be part of,both for your lack of knowledge and IQ.
The latins who thaught you how to live dress and talk and of which spaniards are a great part of.
Unless you will not falsely claim that spaniards are vickings (before you jump all around angry as a perfect latin i'm not saying north italians are)or celts contradicting every serious genetist which of course doesn't type over eupedia.
As for empty talking lol...i have had the worse moments of my life talking with spaniards...if you still are ancient iberians(dna talking)you learned very well the art of the comedia and how to gesticulate by romans..lol

ICantBelieve wrote:

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I don't care at all what you and iberians are unless it doesn't become an anti-italian approach.
I don't care what haplogroup you carry on and how similar you are to irish.
The problems come when you try to depict southern Italians as middle asterners(when a large percentage of y haplogroups in Iberia are all but r1b)and when at the same times you make it as an excuse to claim you are fairer than italians when in the european range of subtypes of many serious genetic maps is not like that at all.
Did i ever say that North Italians are alpines and dinarics with a large substratum of alpine celts or people from Veneto come from veneti similar to people of eastern France and then differents from Andalusians or many portuguese or even some Galicians who carry a lot of non-european Mtdna?
Nope,than i would suggest you the same when talking about southern italians and greeks.

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Paul wrote:

According to this site, Northern Italians are the same as people from Norway and Sweden http://germantribes.org/
"The Germans are a great ethnic complex of ancient Europe, a basic stock in the composition of the modern peoples of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, northern Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, north and central France, Lowland Scotland, and England."
The whole country of Italy would have been listed on that site if it wasnt for a few Greeks being in some areas of the far southern part of Italy. But we all know those swarthy mediterranean Greek descended Italians are only a minority and completely different from the majority of Italians. I dont see any mention of Spain on that site. Its hillarious that you keep talking about how western European Spaniards are and yet that site lists every western European country as being the same basic stock except Spain and Portugal. LMAO. I guess that whole "Spaniards are western European" thing didnt work out too well. HAHA! So anyway, Mark Norway, you might wanna end the lies about Italians because anything you say about them your also saying about yourself because your the same stock as Italians.

Castilian-Leonese wrote:

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No man. As i said before, i have no problem with darker spaniards, i still think they are 100% spaniards, read my comments, please. And i said before, spanairds on average have an homogeneous phenotype. Dark skin is not our typical look.
Neither Spaniards nor italians arent nordics, i agree. I repeat ¿what the hell means “celtic blood”? I dont know even if exist this “celtic blood”. Haplogroups and dna is what i see and spaniards are more atlantic than mediterraneans.¿Do you agree or not with this fact? And if r1b finally means celtic, then 70% spaniards are of celtic origin (not “some”) but i dont care. Hypocrits are who claim their celticiness through r1b haplogroup and then say that spaniards are not of celtic origin.
¿Could you tell me how greeks and iberians are the same? I must say that i like greeks (like italians). A very rich and ancient culture and civilization.
I’m sorry man, but i only see italian guys (or italians descent) spreading lies about spaniards (and not vice-versa) like “italians ard germanics,”“spaniards have more non-european dna”(like you in this post, and it is false), etc.. You must see this chart about m-dna http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_mtdna_... ) and this thread (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php... ).

Paul wrote:

According to this site, Northern Italians are the same as people from Norway and Sweden http://germantribes.org/
"The Germans are a great ethnic complex of ancient Europe, a basic stock in the composition of the modern peoples of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, northern Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, north and central France, Lowland Scotland, and England."
The whole country of Italy would have been listed on that site if it wasnt for a few Greeks being in some areas of the far southern part of Italy. But we all know those swarthy mediterranean Greek descended Italians are only a minority and completely different from the majority of Italians. I dont see any mention of Spain on that site. Its hillarious that you keep talking about how western European Spaniards are and yet that site lists every western European country as being the same basic stock except Spain and Portugal. LMAO. I guess that whole "Spaniards are western European" thing didnt work out too well. HAHA! So anyway, Mark Norway, you might wanna end the lies about Italians because anything you say about them your also saying about yourself because your the same stock as Italians.

Paul wrote:

According to this site, Northern Italians are the same as people from Norway and Sweden http://germantribes.org/
"The Germans are a great ethnic complex of ancient Europe, a basic stock in the composition of the modern peoples of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, northern Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, north and central France, Lowland Scotland, and England."
The whole country of Italy would have been listed on that site if it wasnt for a few Greeks being in some areas of the far southern part of Italy. But we all know those swarthy mediterranean Greek descended Italians are only a minority and completely different from the majority of Italians. I dont see any mention of Spain on that site. Its hillarious that you keep talking about how western European Spaniards are and yet that site lists every western European country as being the same basic stock except Spain and Portugal. LMAO. I guess that whole "Spaniards are western European" thing didnt work out too well. HAHA! So anyway, Mark Norway, you might wanna end the lies about Italians because anything you say about them your also saying about yourself because your the same stock as Italians.