Where is Tom Kramer?

I think I have the name right, he was the one that had shot that cop over the town illegally cutting down his trees. Does anyone know where he is at? thanks

he was sentenced to prison, i recorded the whole thing from a 100 channel scanner,

his neighbor wrote:

he was sentenced to prison, i recorded the whole thing from a 100 channel scanner,

would it be possible to get a copy?

who cares about tom kramer?

a lot of people care, he got the shaft cause he was trying to protect what he had. and if someone shoots at you, you know what, someone will shoot back. and if he had money for a real atty instead of a stupid crappy public defender he would not have gotten the time he did.the problem was in people in the area know how corrupt the cops are and how they intimidate people and they are still afraid to come forward and the judge refused to hear from the few that weren't. The former sheriff lied about his help, and right now he is in I will say Alleged trouble for embezelling about 70k. so yeah the police up there are SO honest.

I listed to the conversation between sheriff and kramer, it was on the scanner,still say who cares

i agree with adams flash... lived there durning the time of this shooting and for 10 years... was the most UN friendly place I have ever been... The whole county is on the take... they take care of their own and I know for a fact the cops will lie to protect a local.. that was the fasted trial on record for what the local cops called murder! What a joke!

Always has been the most "unfriendly place".

yeah, especially if you are not from there.

oh and jess, who the F cares about you either

Unfriendly? I don't think so, moved to PHX you see unfriendly. As for Tom Kramer, there once was a lady that lived down the road from Tom, she lived by herself and tended to her cattle. Her name was Dorothy, I don't recall her last name , but she was friends with my parents, she knew Tom Kramer well. she was murder in her barn, I want to say it was in 1993 give or take, everyone had their suspicions that it was Tom Kramer. Another note, I agree with Adams sucks, I really think an outside agency should investigate the corruption within the court system there. Those bastards took my license away from me when I was only 13 and I am still revoked to this day. Thanks Mark Thibbideau!(DA) You truly know how to F**k up someone life. So to end this little remark, watch yourself and how you drive and who you are around in Adams Co. the police tend to target out of state plates, and try to stay out of the system there, whether its a traffic stop or a DNR citation, steer clear of the police.

adams flash, sounds like your a very happy person

I am a VERY happy person,
as for Dorothy Raczkowski , I am of the suspicion of another person, and the cops never looked to Tommy, but a couple others who were there and whose prints they found in the garage. I knew Dorothy very well,,,mostly from when they first came up from Chicago.

yeah I heard some very interesting things about MT, drugs and he had "relations" with a 16 yo.,

and had heard the FBI was lookin into adams co po po.

your right on that stuff

Dorothy Raczkowski, I heard people thought it to be Dennis Rathermel. I know 100% it wasn't be I have heard that. Where did the information come from as far as MT. Is the FBI still investigating? My Grandpa was sheldon hiller, his wife Bea (grandma) used to visit a friend out the her name was marion schanke, and they were always telling me as a kid that kramer was gonna get you if you wander to far along czech ave. I wonder who else became a suspect.

stanley buchanan found here in 1989, stanley is my best friends grandpa. I still can"t figure out who could be a possible suspect. Didn't a county officer live off of czech ave and county trunk N. His son had a tree fall on him and died.

http://books.google.com/books...

where I found the info

some thought it to be Stanley, him and dorothy had words over the cattle. MT I heard about when Tom Kramers trial was going on, heard he had to pay off some parents to keep quiet about him, but as they say that is heresay, CYA ya know. and have heard from others up there about some dallying in the white powder dept. ah observing at parties etc.
they were never lookin to Tom about dorothy, they always got along.

I thought they were friends, tom and dorothy. It's shame though, man protecting his land from the county, some ignorant county workers spooked because a man was bearing arms in his own woods. Then a cop pulls a gun on Tom because he has a got a gun and the cop ( shannon something) gets killed because the rookie didn't know Tom's side. Sounds pretty much like over reacting to me, Adams needs to get rid of MT and all the crooked politicians and police in the county.

all relatives, will never happen

and there is one way to get rid of all the relatives etc. Its called VOTING.