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Jane wrote:

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You have the same rights as everyone else. You have sex with and live with whomever you want, do you not? Biopsychosocial studies suggest it is to the American peoples' detriment for the government to confer such rights to you. Those "rights" you desire simply aren't there. We don't confer rights due to your preferred sexual behaviour.
The myth that you are born that way is just that, a myth. Not one credible study proves that, not one. You may choose to believe that you're born that way, however, it is without factual basis.
So keep on whining. As more and more people are becoming aware of CDC statistics, FDA blood donation policies, social and behaviorial studies, they are becoming of aware of the facts and not the touted propaganda. They are galvanizing and coalescing to protect our society from the dangers within.
Watch and see. The facts about homosexuality are becoming louder, and there are more of us than there are of you.
Live how you choose. That's your absolute right and I support that. Get a contract via a private attorney to get the benefits you want and revoke it any time you like. And leave the other 97% of us alone.

My aren’t you uppity; speaking to men like that.

Silence woman!

1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

Jane wrote:

<quoted text>...You CHOSE to deviate from the accepted and productive norm. So you ask for special priveleges to accomodate you. The government, nor the majority of people are in no way obligated to grant them, particularly when all studies confirm that it is an uhealthy lifestyle.
Live your life and quit whining and bugging people. Or go somewhere else that will appease you.

First, I'm not asking for any special privileges, only equal rights.

Second, many people deviate from the accepted norm. A couple that chooses not to have children deviates from the accepted and productive norm, and yet they are still allowed to marry because it is their constitutional right, just as it is my constitutional right.

Third, as I said in my previous post, the majority does not get to decide what rights to grant to a minority. Not in this country anyway.

eric wrote:

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My aren’t you uppity; speaking to men like that.
Silence woman!
1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

ROTFLMAO!!

Jane wrote:

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And that's why I quote studies, credible factual evidence and so on. You certainly may mock the Bible all you wish.
Debating the issue on its merits is where I'm coming from.

Why don't you provide links to your scientific information? Is that because it doesn't exist? I would be quite happy to debate with you what the scientific community has to say about gays and lesbians. Every single credible scientific and medical association in America agrees that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality.

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Genesis 19:4-11 the angels of God struck the men of Sodom with blindness because they were attempting to get into Lot’s home to have forcible sex with the two male angels. Oh, it continues, 19:12-29 God ultimately destroyed the cities. Did He do that for the mere fun of it, or was it because of the outcry of their SIN. Homosexuality is not natural... It's a choice. God do no make mistakes, saying being gay is natural are saying God made a mistake..... The disgusts is not with the person but the sin they are in. I pray for your forgiveness. Pray and search the word of God to see the truth and that the devil has you blinded.
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How do you know that the people of Sodom were all men? You can't tell from the original Hebrew text. It could mean "the people of Sodom."

As to G-d not making mistakes, why do you accuse Her/Him of making one in giving some people a homosexual orientation from their earliest memories? Your faith seems very weak and mainly designed to bolster your prejudices.

Will wrote:

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LOL.
As usual, there is no SUBSTANCE to your comment.
Your little jibe does not -- in fact, it CANNOT -- rebut what I said: 1) no fundamental same-sex marriage right currently exists, 2) rights don't create themselves -- they are created by majorities who ultimately bear the responsibility of enforcing them, funding them and otherwise supporting them, and 3) if majorities bear this responsibility for new rights, then majorities should have a vote on creating them.
Have an even better day.

Um ...... ill, try looking at the Declaration of Independance about INALIENABLE rights and where they come from.

Jane wrote:

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So read the exegetical studies which are literal translations of the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. Maybe then it will be clearer to you. You have heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls, haven't you? Or are those ficticious as well?

No, sorry. The exegitical studies are most definitely not literal translations and the Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain a complete text of the Hebrew scriptures. In fact, they often offer variant readings of some earlier version, now lost.

Jane wrote:

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Not all homosexuals have AIDS. They only comprise 70% of all AIDS victims in the USA, and that's only in 3% of the entire USA population.
And why don't you just point me to the evidence that the APA used to make their determination in 1973. You won't be able to because it doesn't exist. The determination was made strictly for polical expediency. You can provide no proof otherwise. I've searched for it high and low.
I guess if untruth is proclaimed loudly and repeatedly, it must become truth. Sure. That's scientific.

Try the studies done by Dr. Evelyn Hooker in the 1960's that proved that there was no detectable difference in pathologies in random groups of heterosexuals and homosexuals.

Jane wrote:

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And that's why I quote studies, credible factual evidence and so on. You certainly may mock the Bible all you wish.
Debating the issue on its merits is where I'm coming from.

Yet time and again you fail to point anyone in the direction of this evidence that you continually reference (and that i've continually asked about)

Jane wrote:

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So what's your point? No one disputes that we are not supposed to have a theocracy. Government is not supposed to force us believe in a religion, nor is it to prohibit the free expression thereof. However, schools are doing that.
The belief in a Supreme Creator was shared by the founding fathers as they developed the government of this nation. By doing so, they created the greatest nation on earth. Ignore their intent and it will be to our detriment.

So what was your point in posting this quote? "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
Obviously you're trying to reference the "moral and religious" element and I was simply providing you with other quotes from founding fathers that are clear in the separation of church and state.
It does not say that the only moral and religious people are Christians.
How are schools prohibiting your free expression of religion? Because there isn't prayer in schools? In many counties that I know of, there exists a moment of silence or "meditation" period at the beginning of the school day that allows individuals to pray, relax or whatever else they choose to do. I personally would feel uncomfortable if I was forced to observe "prayer time" as I am not a Christian, nor a practicioner of any religion.
So because these founding fathers believed in God, all of their intentions were based on such. Therefore, anything that may be in conflict with their personal belief systems should be criminalized or squashed by the government. Otherwise, our nation will crumble. That's wonderful logic Jane. I applaud your silliness, it's amusing.

eric wrote:

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My aren’t you uppity; speaking to men like that.
Silence woman!
1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

Thank you Eric! I would have said so myself, but the bible won't let me speak for myself;)

Patrick in Texas wrote:

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Why don't you provide links to your scientific information? Is that because it doesn't exist? I would be quite happy to debate with you what the scientific community has to say about gays and lesbians. Every single credible scientific and medical association in America agrees that homosexuality is a normal variant of human sexuality.

The "studies" were probably sponsored by the Catholic Church or something!

Jane wrote:

Leaving religion completely out of it, research objective and scientific studies regarding the biopsychosocial health of the homosexual community. And if your selfish desires continue to tell you that promoting homosexuality as a healthy, alternative lifestyle, then I must conclude that indeed, you must be suffering from a personality disorder of a narcissistic nature.

Well, aren't you just a font of knowledge and wisdom! Actually, your post just confirms your ignorance of the gay community. I'm not going to bore you with what I'm sure you've heard and refuse to acknowledge as being true since it interferes with your fantasy view of the world. You don't have a personality disorder, you're just clueless. And it seems you prefer to be that way. Too bad, I always thought adults kept an open mind and could always learn something new. You obviously do not.

Jane wrote:

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Yes.

O.K., then since it is not a religious thing, it is the fact that you just plain-out hate gay people. You are just an old-fashioned bigot, becuase you can give no factual basis for refusing those rights to us.

Jane wrote:

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Start with Genesis and Adam and Eve. Continue on through out the Bible. Read Matt. 19:4-6 in Jesus' own words. However, many, many references are made about marriage in the Bible, and all describe marriage as man and woman, or Jesus and the church.
Leviticus 18:22, then read verse 29 in the same chapter.

Sorry, Matthew is talking about divorce. and Leviticus says may be talking about sex, but not everyone agrees on that. But, even if it did, it would be referring to having sex, not being married. You cannot point out one verse in the entire bible that specifically states that one man may not marry another man, or one woman may not marry another woman. I defy you to come up with one.

Jane wrote:

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And it doesn't support your cause. Now, you read "The Christian Life and Character of the Civl Institutions of the United States" by Benjamin F. Harris and published in 1864.
When the Continental Congress completed its task in 1789, John Adams declared that, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." And no one questioned the rightness of the statement.

But Mr. Adams did not specifically say "christian" people. He said moral and religious. I am moral and religious, but gay.

Jane wrote:

Leaving religion completely out of it, research objective and scientific studies regarding the biopsychosocial health of the homosexual community. And if your selfish desires continue to tell you that promoting homosexuality as a healthy, alternative lifestyle, then I must conclude that indeed, you must be suffering from a personality disorder of a narcissistic nature.

And you would be wrong, as stated by numerous medical and mental health organizations, who probably much better educated and equipted to make the statement.

Ralph wrote:

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But Mr. Adams did not specifically say "christian" people. He said moral and religious. I am moral and religious, but gay.

And the dumbing down of America continues, no offense intended. I don't think Adams would have agreed with you.

Ralph wrote:

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And you would be wrong, as stated by numerous medical and mental health organizations, who probably much better educated and equipted to make the statement.

Having been a nurse for 30 yrs, and a licensed counselor for 10 and working for a mental agency that last 10 yrs, I'm making somewhat of an educated guess.

Jane wrote:

http://americansfortruth.com/n ews/tolerance-gone-wild-in-san -francisco-as-cops-stand-by-am idst-folsom-street-fairs-publi c-perversions-and-widespread-n udity.html
Folsom Street Fair pictures, and Nancy Pelosi approves. This is not for childrens' eyes. X rated.
Thank God I live in the Bible belt! It would never be permitted where I live and they'd all be thrown in jail.

So that's where you get all your "facts" from - a slanted right wing website...it explains so much.

Boy...you'd never survive in Europe with that closed mind!