Tar-sands oil standoff brews in Minnesota

mememine69 wrote:

Have you seen those bumperstickers around Ontario?

CNN says today: Earth's oceans had warmest summer on record

Summer temperatures for the globe's ocean surface ranked as the warmest on record, according to a report released Wednesday by the National Climatic Data Center.

Overall, when the Earth's land areas and oceans are included together, the three-month June-August period measured as the third-warmest summer on record. Global climate records go back to 1880.

Climatologists measure summer from June 1 to Aug. 31. The climate center is a branch of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

"During the season, warmer-than-average temperatures engulfed much of the planet's surface," the center wrote in an online report. One exception to the warmth was the north-central USA and central Canada, which had an unusually cool summer due to a persistent trough of low pressure that kept the area cloudy and cool.

The ocean's summer temperature was 62.5 degrees, 1 degree above the 20th-century average of 61.5 degrees.

The cause of the warmth? Deke Arndt, chief of the climate monitoring branch at the climate center, says it's due to a combination of man-made global warming and El Nino, a natural periodic warming of the tropical Pacific Ocean that affects weather around the world. "Each of those is a component in this summer's temperatures, he said.

"If El Nino continues to mature as projected by NOAA, global temperatures are likely to continue to threaten previous record highs," noted the center's report.

What really jumped out at Arndt, he says, was the heat in the Southern Hemisphere. "The warmth in Australia and South America in August was striking," he says. "Land areas in the Southern Hemisphere in August broke their previous record by a large amount."

Overall, it was the second-warmest winter on record in the Southern Hemisphere.(June-August is winter in the Southern Hemisphere.)

Additionally, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, Arctic sea ice covered an average of 2.42 million square miles during August. This is 18.4% below the 1979-2000 average extent and is consistent with a decline of August sea ice extent since 1979.
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/2009-...

Rosemount Developer wrote:

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Do they have a permit to use the ground water? Are they allowed to exploit it by law? Again, if it were MY groundwater, I would want renumeration. If it is THEIR groundwater, it is none of my business.

I agreed with you on an earlier post, but comparing this reply with comments on another thread I see a bit of hypocracy.
Concerning a person gardening and making a buck on thier land. How can you justify 2 different outlooks on basically a similar issue, hint: the issue is private property rights.
And, yes I will agree with your other comment here, if you don't like it move or don't buy there. That is the perfect alternative to regulating the life of someone else, just don't move close to them if they bug you.
Please try to stay consistant.

speedy wrote:

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I like to think I can be consistant and say yes.
I am very big on private property rights. Living in a very active farming area there are many things going on next to me that many would not tolerate. There are certain open manure spread operations that by smell alone would gag a maggot. But, it is not happening on my land. I have no financial obligation to the land it is happening on either.
Now, on my land I have operations of an automotive nature going on that would not be acceptable in many areas. I run a shop and small salvage yard.
Out of mutual respect for each other, and our need to make a decent living, people in our area get along. Not because we like what the other may do, but because we respect thier property and thier need to earn a living.
Everything we do impacts others, and vice versa. That is a given. How we choose to react to that our quality of character.

It sound like lip service to me, what does "I like to think I can be consistent and say yes" What does that mean? Either you are committed to not caring about other people around you, or you do care.

If it is the latter; then what ever you are doing that disrupts the neighbours’ around you. Then you would be open to discussing the problem, and possible solutions to it. The developments in Northern Alberta have no interest in local or international concerns in the matter.
Which always bothers me, big business needs to be accountable.

Your lame local example is idiotic at best; the pig shit is smelly. lol

Rosemount Developer wrote:

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If I didn't like where I lived I would move. I'm pretty sure I woke up in a free country this morning, and not in N. Korea, so I can live where ever I desire.

Judging by your comments to me, and more so to Nat.
I would say you are not worth the time of day.

speedy wrote:

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I agreed with you on an earlier post, but comparing this reply with comments on another thread I see a bit of hypocracy.
Concerning a person gardening and making a buck on thier land. How can you justify 2 different outlooks on basically a similar issue, hint: the issue is private property rights.
And, yes I will agree with your other comment here, if you don't like it move or don't buy there. That is the perfect alternative to regulating the life of someone else, just don't move close to them if they bug you.
Please try to stay consistant.

Many of these people have lived in the region for generations and you are telling them they shouldn't move there? They were there first!

Who cares? Back to my original point: Greenpeas employs terrorist tactics and appropriate counter tactics should be used to force the laws to be upheld. Circular arguments and poorly engineered attempts at obfuscation will not change the fact that Greenpeas and its agents are criminals. When that changes your input may have some degree of merit, but until then, you are merely defending a terrorist organization. "Imagine Whirrled Peas."

Cana wrote:

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Judging by your comments to me, and more so to Nat.
I would say you are not worth the time of day.

Too bad you have a hard time dealing with facts. You can't just brush aside facts in order to highlight one side of a dilema. Like a drunk and a lampost on the sidewalk, you are using only some of the facts and leaning upon them to stay upright instead of looking at all of the facts and using them for illumination. You are hardly in a posiiton to be dismissive of anyone, as you are just being dismissive of fact.

Rosemount Developer wrote:

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Too bad you have a hard time dealing with facts. You can't just brush aside facts in order to highlight one side of a dilema. Like a drunk and a lampost on the sidewalk, you are using only some of the facts and leaning upon them to stay upright instead of looking at all of the facts and using them for illumination. You are hardly in a posiiton to be dismissive of anyone, as you are just being dismissive of fact.

I'm not trying to be dismissive, but I am worried about your mental state.
The arguments that you put forward are idiotic.
Ground water doesn't just run Horizontally under your land. It runs Horizon, Vertical, so the water that some idiot is polluting is also polluting your access to water also.

The point that I, and many others are trying to make you see is; your individual action can, and does have a reaction somewhere else.

It's a good thing that companies can't vote. One Tory down and many more to go there's more than one way to change the laws.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html...

And, as I indicated in an earlier post, if my groundwater was polluted by someone, I would demand renumeration. Your lack of comprehension is only exceeded by your lack of abilities to have a good idea and to recognize fact. Further, you do not completely understand fluid dynamics either, as all groundwater cannot scientifically be portrayed as you describe. So, you have attempted insult, spread a falsehood, been caught disemenating incorrect information, made at least one generalization, and responded without comprhending the original text of idea you responded to: It's not even 2PMCDT yet and your foot is so far in your mouth that there is barely room for your other foot, but I suspect you wil find a way in the coming hours or days to correct that oversight too.

Rosemount Developer wrote:

And, as I indicated in an earlier post, if my groundwater was polluted by someone, I would demand renumeration. Your lack of comprehension is only exceeded by your lack of abilities to have a good idea and to recognize fact. Further, you do not completely understand fluid dynamics either, as all groundwater cannot scientifically be portrayed as you describe. So, you have attempted insult, spread a falsehood, been caught disemenating incorrect information, made at least one generalization, and responded without comprhending the original text of idea you responded to: It's not even 2PMCDT yet and your foot is so far in your mouth that there is barely room for your other foot, but I suspect you wil find a way in the coming hours or days to correct that oversight too.

Doctor, Doctor. We need a Doctor stat.

truthist wrote:

<quoted text>CNN says today: Earth's oceans had warmest summer on record
Summer temperatures for the globe's ocean surface ranked as the warmest on record, according to a report released Wednesday by the National Climatic Data Center.

I don't know if it's good or not good.