OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

sallisawwatchdog wrote:

Tamara, you are insulting me without even knowing me. Thats OK i will get over it and by the way last year i paid my fair share of taxes or two or three rich corporations tax share, Lets take GE they paid nothing, B of A or bank of the antichrist who got trillion dollar bail out and paid nothing and even got other money back. I paid 3
$38,000.00 So I think I have every right to weigh in on this topic as well. I employed 18 families and covered them for over a decade, I paid social security all my life and do not feel like if I reach retirement age that I should feel bad about getting SSI checks. You are so far to the right you are either trying to protect your wealth or you are just plain stupid. Oh sorry, not suppose to bag too much on you.

By the way what topic are you weighing in on exactly? I have no idea what you are talking about! SSI, Taxes, or taking care of people you say work for you? Oh maybe it is the tax on soda pop. You jump on here out of the blue and start jumping me and do not explain what you are talking about is rather stupid. Like I have said I have never said a person that puts into SS isnot entitled to drawl on it. So what is your problem!

asdf wrote:

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Actually you being up a good point Heat. If you want to see how socialism works, take a look inside of a prison. Prisons are small socialist societies. There are several prisons and probation offices in the area where I live and they are a major employer around here. I know a lot of corrections employees past and present that say this and try ro tell people you do not want socialism on a larger scale. Ask an inmate how it works out for them, especially in healthcare and food. They're criminals and we're not. I won't accept it

Yes, I agree. I fully understand how socialism works as well as understand why it is a recipe for disaster in America. Government has never been the answer nor will it ever be. Obama has been a real eye opener for Americans as we watch city after city and state after state begin to fall off the cliff in financial disaster for many reasons. Corruption is the number one reason and then you add the rediculous demands of Unions demanding higher wages and benefits at taxpayer expense.

The private sector has all but complete eliminated Unions which has helped them in a very meaningful way yet they are faced with uncertainty with the over-regulation of the Obama Administration. Now Obama is on a non-stop rant wanting to raise taxes on the very people that create jobs in this country no matter how many times liberal lie and deny or spin their bullshit. It is so obvious Obama is lost and way over his head with how to fix the problems that we face. His rhetorical bullshit of more free entitlements at the expense the middle class that still has a job will be his doom.

This christmas giveaway year round by Obama mentality cannot continue when we now have more people that recieve than those that contribute. Helping the helpless is one thing but trying to make everyone dependent on Government for their existance is stupid, irresponsible and a recipe for complete disaster. It is a power grab plain and simple by a liberal mind moron named Barack Hussein Obama. It has been fun posting those facts on an Oklahoma forum but honestly, Obama and liberals are nothing more than a parasite to the common sense people of this state. Remember, Obama did not carry a single city, county or anything else in Oklahoma and never will.

The swing states are where the major focus will be to take Obama out but just as important is getting at least another 5 or 6 more GOP in the Senate and keep control of Congress and Conservatives will fold up Obama like a cheap lawnchair even if he is re-elected. He is nothing more than a lame duck now and will be nothing more than a lame duck the rest of his entire miserable life in Washington. As much as Dusty aka Tinkerbell jumps up and down whining and sniveling how we need socialized medicine in this country, that is nothing more than entertainment to watch that swisher act like his brotherhood of swishers marching in their gay parades. I have to admit I am curious what he looks like in his pink too-too, LOL, riding that red moped down Hollywood Blvd. looking for his runaway boyfriend.
Keep up the good post asdf, you're doing great! Best Wishes to you.

DustyOutlaw wrote:

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In theory you are right. Now how do you do that? Tax fat people for being fat? I cut out sodas (one a week just to tell my body it's not cut totally off), stopped eating junk foods, ditched the gravy and sweets and lost more than 30 pounds in less than a year. Kept it off for over four years now. There is no excuse for 95% of obese Americans to be obese except for lack of will power. You talk about not wanting to be penalized for others lack of will power, well we are being penalized with the health care system since fat people cost insurance more than 5 times what healthy people do. Jets burn more fuel by some 3 million gallons a year just to get our fat asses off the ground than they did 10 years ago. We pay more at buffets because of fat people. It goes on and on and on. How do you stop the fatties from costing the rest of us every time we turn around?

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That's funny. Tamara is already being "penalized for others weakness" and she has not a clue and complains about the wrong thing.

If she would look at sugary drink sales she'd know why they are targeted, and they are not going down without a helluva fight. Includes the sugar lobby.

Packing Heat wrote:

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Yes, I agree. I fully understand how socialism works as well as understand why it is a recipe for disaster in America. Government has never been the answer nor will it ever be. Obama has been a real eye opener for Americans as we watch city after city and state after state begin to fall off the cliff in financial disaster for many reasons. Corruption is the number one reason and then you add the rediculous demands of Unions demanding higher wages and benefits at taxpayer expense.
The private sector has all but complete eliminated Unions which has helped them in a very meaningful way yet they are faced with uncertainty with the over-regulation of the Obama Administration. Now Obama is on a non-stop rant wanting to raise taxes on the very people that create jobs in this country no matter how many times liberal lie and deny or spin their bullshit. It is so obvious Obama is lost and way over his head with how to fix the problems that we face. His rhetorical bullshit of more free entitlements at the expense the middle class that still has a job will be his doom.
This christmas giveaway year round by Obama mentality cannot continue when we now have more people that recieve than those that contribute. Helping the helpless is one thing but trying to make everyone dependent on Government for their existance is stupid, irresponsible and a recipe for complete disaster. It is a power grab plain and simple by a liberal mind moron named Barack Hussein Obama. It has been fun posting those facts on an Oklahoma forum but honestly, Obama and liberals are nothing more than a parasite to the common sense people of this state. Remember, Obama did not carry a single city, county or anything else in Oklahoma and never will.
The swing states are where the major focus will be to take Obama out but just as important is getting at least another 5 or 6 more GOP in the Senate and keep control of Congress and Conservatives will fold up Obama like a cheap lawnchair even if he is re-elected. He is nothing more than a lame duck now and will be nothing more than a lame duck the rest of his entire miserable life in Washington. As much as Dusty aka Tinkerbell jumps up and down whining and sniveling how we need socialized medicine in this country, that is nothing more than entertainment to watch that swisher act like his brotherhood of swishers marching in their gay parades. I have to admit I am curious what he looks like in his pink too-too, LOL, riding that red moped down Hollywood Blvd. looking for his runaway boyfriend.
Keep up the good post asdf, you're doing great! Best Wishes to you.

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>>>This christmas giveaway year round by Obama mentality cannot continue when we now have more people that recieve than those that contribute.<<<

That's certainly true here in Okalahoma with the state getting back more than it pays in, and nationwide corporate welfare is a monster compared to social welfare.

Be seeing you on the ballot...

TAMARA wrote:

<quoted text>And how have I insulted you? I have said nothing about anyone paying into SSI should feel bad about drawomg SSI. So before you act me explain what your act is about!

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Sounds like she is talking about corporate welfare. SS was only mentioned as an aside. But you know how you duck and dodge and avoid the issue.

Justaminute wrote:

Well, after today Romney is going to start telling us how many Black friends he has.
After getting booed at Romney's meeting with the NAACP; why he even went there in the first place?
He evidently couldn't wait to say how he was going to get rid of Obamacare. He could have talked about the high unemployment that is higher in the Black community than in the rest of the country. But he didn't do it.
Now we know why, he was trying to appeal to a different audience:
Romney On NAACP Booing: If They Want More Free Stuff From The Government Vote Obama
There has been a lot of speculation today about Mitt Romney‘s motivation for giving a speech to the annual NAACP Convention, and trashing Obamacare in the process.
Romney himself said he “expected” to be booed for it, and in remarks first reported on The Rachel Maddow Show tonight, he demonstrated why.
According to a pool report from Romney’s Hamilton, Montana fundraiser, he brought up the booing, and told donors “if they (Obamacare supporters) want more stuff from government tell them to go vote for the other guy – more free stuff. But don’t forget nothing is really free.”
The quote is so tone-deaf, and such a naked appeal to the “welfare queen” brand of racial and class resentment, that it’s almost hard to believe it’s real.
Romney said if people could just see what is in his heart. We got a good look today.

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I think it is good that he went, even though his message was to his right-wing and conservative base and not to blacks.

He showed that neither he nor his base is bound to respect any rights or concerns of blacks.

WMCOL wrote:

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That's funny. Tamara is already being "penalized for others weakness" and she has not a clue and complains about the wrong thing.
If she would look at sugary drink sales she'd know why they are targeted, and they are not going down without a helluva fight. Includes the sugar lobby.

It is not my fault people are weak and stupid that they can not reframe in over drinking the sodas or stuffing their mouths with every and anything that is on the list of putting weight on. But I should not be penalizes for someone elses weakness. And WMCOl I brought this up because it has been on the news lately. I do know I am paying more each day for the weakness of others. And who the hell is making me pay for these weakness of others? Anxious for your stupid answer to this one.

WMCOL wrote:

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Sounds like she is talking about corporate welfare. SS was only mentioned as an aside. But you know how you duck and dodge and avoid the issue.

About the same way you do. All your imput is is put downs and relying on Dusty to carry your butt on here!

Now enjoy your day!

Romney's full, unedited by the main stream media speech to the NAACP yesterday. Speaking about the high unemployment in the black community, black education, black neighborhoods, saving medicare and social security, lowering benefits for high income people,

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

By the way, at least Romney invests his own money in things outside this country. Obama sent stimulus money -- U.S. taxpayer dollars -- overseas, and the Republican National Committee (RNC) called him out on it yesterday.

Now, it seems like former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has benefited from companies that outsource jobs to Asia to the tune of between $1 million to $5 million.

So apparently we're supposed to be more angry about what Romney does with his OWN money rather than what Obama is doing with OUR money

WMCOL wrote:

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Sounds like she is talking about corporate welfare. SS was only mentioned as an aside. But you know how you duck and dodge and avoid the issue.

And you know what she[?] is talking about? Just why don't you just spell it out what she [?] is talking about instead of just guessing! Half the time you don't know what the heck you are talking about. So your she can just get back to me and tell me exactly what I said that offended her/him [?]! There is only one person I posted to about employee/employer taking care of situation and taxes and healthcare and this post was not addressed to you.

TAMARA wrote:

<quoted text>It is not my fault people are weak and stupid that they can not reframe in over drinking the sodas or stuffing their mouths with every and anything that is on the list of putting weight on. But I should not be penalizes for someone elses weakness. And WMCOl I brought this up because it has been on the news lately. I do know I am paying more each day for the weakness of others. And who the hell is making me pay for these weakness of others? Anxious for your stupid answer to this one.

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That's the point. No one is "making" you pay for sugary drinks, or airline fares, or just about anything else. It is mostly up to you as to what you do.

The thing is you are already paying for weaknesses of others with insurance, cars, food, transportation and everything else you use, and a lot, way before the soft drink tax, but you don't have to.

Live off your land. Raise your own food. Make your own clothes. Use the wood from those big trees on that block you own. Self-treat yourself. Withdraw from the outside world. Of course you will have to die to stop personally paying taxes.

It is very selfish to see yourself entitled to something that harms society just because you like it.

TAMARA wrote:

<quoted text>And you know what she[?] is talking about? Just why don't you just spell it out what she [?] is talking about instead of just guessing! Half the time you don't know what the heck you are talking about. So your she can just get back to me and tell me exactly what I said that offended her/him [?]! There is only one person I posted to about employee/employer taking care of situation and taxes and healthcare and this post was not addressed to you.

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Every post on here is "addressed" to anyone who wants to respond.

WMCOL wrote:

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That's the point. No one is "making" you pay for sugary drinks, or airline fares, or just about anything else. It is mostly up to you as to what you do.
The thing is you are already paying for weaknesses of others with insurance, cars, food, transportation and everything else you use, and a lot, way before the soft drink tax, but you don't have to.
Live off your land. Raise your own food. Make your own clothes. Use the wood from those big trees on that block you own. Self-treat yourself. Withdraw from the outside world. Of course you will have to die to stop personally paying taxes.
It is very selfish to see yourself entitled to something that harms society just because you like it.

If I am not fat and I want to drink a soda pop once in awhile then I should be able to do so with out paying a tax because someone else drinks to much soda pop and is over weight. Same way for when I travel. I should not be punished for doing the right thing! That is my point.

Justaminute, this is my response to you from your earlier post. Sorry I can't respond as quick as I used to. I am almost finished with my new house so I can get moved in it but I have not abandon you so thank you in advance for your patients.

Why is because we the people with that kind of money oppose such a tax when taxes have already been paid on that money, plain and simple. Yes we find ways around it legally and always will so why have it when it makes your party look bad?

And Obama has made it worse now than ever in the history of this nation and you cannot rewrite that history. Like it or not people will still decide if they are better off now or not. We already know the answer to that question.

No I really don't, that comment was meant to pull your strings and stir your emotions. Thanks for playing along, LOL.

Will you say it was a waste of time and money on Obama's part if Obamacare is repealed or defunded? Probably not but it really will have been, LOL.

Pasty Faced White Guys? Racist much? You crack me up but I don't take it personally, this is all in fun. Again thanks for playing along.

And Obama thinks class-warfare is a winner for him? That's a joke, as you will see going forward. He is an absolute failure and he will never escape that fact, LOL!

I care because higher taxes on anyone is a recipe for disaster. The spending has been out of control and until that stops, we are headed off the cliff. You poor liberals will never understand that and explains why you have been poor all your miserable life.

But it was a wonderful day when ACORN did a complete meltdown, ROFLMAO, but we still have to keep an eye out for that acorn-clone creeping back in and kill it as well, LOL. Parasites like that are very destructive to the taxpayers of this nation.

Believe what you want since polls are meaningless. Remember, some of Obama's most enthusiastic supporters, such as young adults, are less likely to turn out to vote so the reality is we will not know until the election is over, LMAO.

I support you for shining the light as I know you support me in shining the light on the fact Obama has been a miserable failure that does not deserve to be re-elected because of the mess he has made. We shall see who has the brightest light come November 2012, good luck because you're going to need it, ROFLMAO.

I watched it live so yes I was glad to see them boo him because that is very telling just how racist some blacks are. 96% will vote for Obama regardless so that was not surprising at all. They still have higher unemployment than whitey under this Obama debacle and that is what's really priceless, LMAO. As priceless as in more don't get a payday from a job if you know what I mean and Obama hasn't done anything to help them beyond more welfare and foodstamps, LOL Alright, have to go now, trying to get my new house finished so I can move in but I will be back in the next day or so to read your hilarious response, don't disappoint me, ROFLMAO!

WMCOL wrote:

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Every post on here is "addressed" to anyone who wants to respond.

I realize that! But to comment on something you have no idea what it is about is stupid! Guess at what you think a person is referring to does not get it!

WMCOL wrote:

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That's the point. No one is "making" you pay for sugary drinks, or airline fares, or just about anything else. It is mostly up to you as to what you do.
The thing is you are already paying for weaknesses of others with insurance, cars, food, transportation and everything else you use, and a lot, way before the soft drink tax, but you don't have to.
Live off your land. Raise your own food. Make your own clothes. Use the wood from those big trees on that block you own. Self-treat yourself. Withdraw from the outside world. Of course you will have to die to stop personally paying taxes.
It is very selfish to see yourself entitled to something that harms society just because you like it.

No it is not selfish on my part when all these people that are doing it to themselves and all they have to do is say NO just like so many already do!

TAMARA wrote:

<quoted text>About the same way you do. All your imput is is put downs and relying on Dusty to carry your butt on here!
Now enjoy your day!

Come on now. WMCOL and you don't like each other but that has nothing to do with me. Don't be dragging my name into something that everyone has a right to an opinion on. WMCOL can carry his own weight.

Amd we're both right. I would rather pay 3.00 for a coke once in a while that used to cost a dollar than I would to continue paying for the never ending escalation of health care expenses due to the obese driving prices up constantly.

TAMARA wrote:

<quoted text>If I am not fat and I want to drink a soda pop once in awhile then I should be able to do so with out paying a tax because someone else drinks to much soda pop and is over weight. Same way for when I travel. I should not be punished for doing the right thing! That is my point.

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It is still your decision to buy the drink, or to fly. You don't have to do either.

This is just too good.

GOP strategy is backfiring on them. Instead of anyone but Obama it is becoming anyone but Romney.

DustyOutlaw wrote:

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Come on now. WMCOL and you don't like each other but that has nothing to do with me. Don't be dragging my name into something that everyone has a right to an opinion on. WMCOL can carry his own weight.
Amd we're both right. I would rather pay 3.00 for a coke once in a while that used to cost a dollar than I would to continue paying for the never ending escalation of health care expenses due to the obese driving prices up constantly.

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>>>I would rather pay 3.00 for a coke once in a while that used to cost a dollar than I would to continue paying for the never ending escalation of health care expenses due to the obese driving prices up constantly.<<<

I hear ya. Makes a lot of sense.

BTW, I don't dislike Tamara. She is misguided once in awhile, but I actually like her.

She is just a cranky old hag with nothing much to do.