Topix allows Hatred against Marines and Nation

The following are some posts by an individual who goes by the screen name Alice, She post with an IP address from Honolulu Hawaii. She is abusive toward all military but has an exceptional hatred for Marines and their families. This is what s/he is posting on some of the Jacksonville sites. Along with other post, which idolize terrorist and dictators. Topix editors in CA where Topix headquarters is and those in Honolulu have refused to track this person or to remove her offensive post of this order. I ask you to Flood the threads of Palo Alto, Ca and Honolulu HI, with your discontent in their support of such an individual. The next two posts will be of what they allow this person to post.

Here is the Honolulu threads to post on..

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/honolulu-hi

Here is the Palo Alto, CA.. threads to post on

http://www.topix.net/forum/palo-alto

#2168
Cal I so agree. The marines have major problems with lowered standards. Bush needs bodies to throw at the insurgents who have won

#2220
But I now see on tv that American troops are on the run after shi'ite militas fired shells at the green Compound. I thought thta petraeus had won the war. We are losing this war...badly. And in Afghanistan, where the terrorists are that attacked us, they are winning again.

#2223
Our club is just jambed full with lines at the door. Our girls are popular, attractive and smart. But it is the conversations they like most. many of the men are anxious, tense, tired, and scared. They also despise Bush for his lies and American subservience to israeli interests. They know our rich will not fight..just the poor who need the cash bonuses. It is so unfair.

#2228
I grew up in single mom trailor poverty. But I am working and improving myself. I love North dakota and many of us there are learning the truth of why Bush failed to heed multiple warnings about 9-11, why he invaded Iraq needlessly and murdered hunfdreds of thousands of innocent civilians, how he has fialed in Afghanistan, how he has weakened our economy, driven America into deep debt and stretched our military to the breaking point with no victory in sight.

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#2308
Bush is the terrorist. he has killed far more women and children than Osama ever did. We are all ashamed of the illegal invasion of iraq who never attacked us. meanwhile, Bush allowed Osama to escape. And how could a rag-tag group of maybe 3,000 terrorists defeat the great A,erican imperialists? Well, in many ways they did. Look at how our lives have all changed and how much weaker America is than it was in 2000? Everyone knows that.
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#2398
Phil, I respect your service but you fought in an immoral war. I question your judgment in fighting it. Almost all people think Vietnam was a horrible mistake and that America lost there. Same with iraq. You have continued to display bad judgment. Deborah is right about that. Nobody in my age rane of 18 would fight in iraq. We would not kill civilians and we have no business there. Bush duped the country into fighting that disasterous war just as the Pentagon lied about Vietnam. You should be among to first to be man enough to stand up to Bush and his war against America. I am just a kid.
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#2653
Now that stupid Bush is losing to the Taliban in Afghanistan.

#2667
What we have done in iraq is as shameful as what we did in Vietnam.

#2669
. Bush has humilated America and is a danger to America. We must all be on guard against him, including the military

#43
I am not unstable..I face the horrible truth about Osama's winning the war and America in decline. I am a prophetess trying to warn people we must change leadership.

#35
I see thta there are a growing number of marines committing horrid crimes. Many are mentally unstable due to the mistake of a war.

#39
Well it is just a fact that standards have been lowered to admit more men and women to the military because Bush and Israel want more bodies to die in meaningless wars. That is why they keep waving cash bonuses at us young people. It is immoral.

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I base my sage observations on books, reports and news articles. And yes, israel has far too much influence over our media, our leaders and our lives. let them fight their own aggressive wars and pay for it themselves.

#46
The truth is clear. The surge failed. The surge was just a weasel word for escalation. Truth is, Osama won this war. As an old man with a tiny army, he changed the entire American way of life. We now accept all kinds of infractions of our civil liberties because Bush overreacted. Bush was caught asleep on 9-11 and used the horror as an excuse to attack iraq,. Iraq had nothign to do with 9-11...

#161
Wifesemperfi..that is so sad. You are the weak, subservient wife that enables men to slap women and lord it over them. I won't let that happen. I will train sean in a way that comports with feminism and respect

#206
no wife..you have been totlaly duped..Do your reserach on iraq..the terrorists came in only after our illegal attack against a country once allied with president reagan. You really appall me with your ignorance. I am so ashamed of your husband and what he does. You must be ashamed also..we all are

I am a medically retired Soldier Post gulf war. I and others have complained but seems not enough people have complained yet. Make your voice heard on the forum threads I gave links to. Write topix emails and snail mail.

We gave to much for this company to treat us in this manner or to allow people to post Hatred against our servicemen/women and their families. Let alone post outright-treason

Love Marines!, REALLY Love the Consititution , But Hate Obama's PuppetMasters from the centralized Banks of the World, Whom have High-Jacked Our People, Our wealth and our Nation's Good Clean Image, and not to mention the lives of our dear Honorable Marines,

Phil- I am a Gulf War vet from a military family that goes back 3 generations. As such, I wholly support FREEDOM OF SPEECH, even if I find it personally repugnant, offensive and hateful. Letting people voice their opinions is what America is all about. it is what we fight for in the military. You should know that. Censoring the forums on this website would be unAmerican. You don't have to like it, and you can choose not to read it but you can't accuse people of "treason" just because they are anti-military. That makes you just as narrow minded as they are. What does being American mean to you? If you want censorship, move to China or Iran.

Oh and for the record- this proud American veteran thinks Bush should be charged with war crimes. Iraq was the biggest waste of money and lives in US History. The American people were duped, no doubt about it. If anyone should be charged with treason it is George W Bush. America was the laughing stock of the world for 8 years. Thank god that has changed now that he is out of power. He was a clueless, self-indulgent moron. He ran this country right into the ground. I can;t say I disagree with many of the quotes you posted that you find so traitorous and offensive. Half the country would agree with them. Maybe you should just open your own internet news forum where you can censor anything that you don't agree with? Topix is letting YOU ramble too ya know, despite the fact it appears you have made yourself a big pain in their ass. It's a PUBLIC forum! Get a grip dude!

MMark wrote:

Oh and for the record- this proud American veteran thinks Bush should be charged with war crimes. Iraq was the biggest waste of money and lives in US History. The American people were duped, no doubt about it. If anyone should be charged with treason it is George W Bush. America was the laughing stock of the world for 8 years. Thank god that has changed now that he is out of power. He was a clueless, self-indulgent moron. He ran this country right into the ground. I can;t say I disagree with many of the quotes you posted that you find so traitorous and offensive. Half the country would agree with them. Maybe you should just open your own internet news forum where you can censor anything that you don't agree with? Topix is letting YOU ramble too ya know, despite the fact it appears you have made yourself a big pain in their ass. It's a PUBLIC forum! Get a grip dude!

Just thought I might remind you that tokyo Rose was prosecuted for less. I am all for freedom of speech, however when that speech can constitute treason then it is no longer protected under the first amendment.

Your comment about Bush was made without warrant, I was not a Bush supporter, The comments which were protested where those made for advocating treason . No I also didn't like her attacking our military or the spouses of my deployed brothers and sisters. Guess I am a bit thin skinned for someone who claims to be an American but hates America.

Seems like you may be trying to play the political card and I would warn you not to do so as our current president is blinding the lines between a Democratic Republic and a Socialist one. let alone continueing to bankrupt this Nation. his spending to date is outpacing Bush's, But like I said No need to play that political card.

Oh and perhaps if this administration along with the past administration would have taken the advice of the military leaders we wouldn't be in this mess. instead they have taken the advice of those who had little to no experience.

If in deed you are a first war Vet look back and see how it was handled compare it to our current situation.

Need I remind you of why they made gen. Clark resign, only to do what he said in the first place during the first gulf war.

And just for your benefit topix is not immune to the guidelines set by the FCC.

I am not a Dem, nor a Rep, I have no political card to play. I think Obama is doing a fantastic job, especially considering the mess he inherited. There is absolutely nothing remotely "Socialist" about him, you watch too much Fox News.

Yes, I am indeed a Desert Storm vet. US Army, 1st Cav, Intelligence Analyst. That was was also unwarranted and a huge waste of time and resources. What do the 2 have in common? I'll give you a hint- 4 letter word, starts with B.

Advocating "treason" is not a punishable offense. Committing treason is. I have not seen anyone on Topix commit treason or violate any FCC regulation.

You stated "We gave to much for this company to treat us in this manner or to allow people to post Hatred against our servicemen/women and their families. Let alone post outright-treason"

Well the first half of that statement IS covered by the first Amendment. They can trash the military all they want. As for treason, you have not presented a reasonable case. You are wasting your time.

MMark wrote:

I am not a Dem, nor a Rep, I have no political card to play. I think Obama is doing a fantastic job, especially considering the mess he inherited. There is absolutely nothing remotely "Socialist" about him, you watch too much Fox News.
Yes, I am indeed a Desert Storm vet. US Army, 1st Cav, Intelligence Analyst. That was was also unwarranted and a huge waste of time and resources. What do the 2 have in common? I'll give you a hint- 4 letter word, starts with B.
Advocating "treason" is not a punishable offense. Committing treason is. I have not seen anyone on Topix commit treason or violate any FCC regulation.
You stated "We gave to much for this company to treat us in this manner or to allow people to post Hatred against our servicemen/women and their families. Let alone post outright-treason"
Well the first half of that statement IS covered by the first Amendment. They can trash the military all they want. As for treason, you have not presented a reasonable case. You are wasting your time.

I to am an independent and had high hopes for Obama although I didn’t vote for him. However I thought he was better man for the job than McCain. I personally used my write in privilege for Ron Paul. When you say he inherited, are you talking about the war or the economy, which can be traced back to the Blunders of the Clinton administration? The long term effects of his CRA in conjunction with him allowing special interest groups get involved in the banking regulatory system, which had significant impact to the housing meltdown? Perhaps you are thinking still that the Clinton administration really had a surplus? Perhaps if he would have been able to get away with using the trust funds of America he might have come close, however by being caught trying to do so with a continued increase in budget spending we really could coin it as FUZZY Math. Don’t talk about inheriting a mess; there was one already in the works when Bush took over. As far as Socialism goes, what do you call a complete wealth distribution within a country, What do you call a Change or attempted change from a Free Market healthcare system to a Universal social one, where those who use it are not held accountable for the payment into it. What did you call the second bailout, giving money back to people who didn’t even pay taxes in the first place? Of course I guess article one section eight and the 16th amendment of our constitution are disregarded by you, that would make it all legal, wouldn’t it

Perhaps you consider Liberating Kuwait a waste of time, but since you stated you were in MI, I have to wonder how many interviews you conducted of those tortured and persecuted. Also if you were an officer within any MI unit, you know that we were within 60 miles of Baghdad and had SF already in the city when Bush Sr. called us off. I’ll admit from the start I thought it might have been a reelection ploy by Bush Sr. Until I actually had eyes on the ground. We had the full capability to disarm Iraq and were called off. I find it hard to believe that an intelligence officer would even insinuate that the deployment of 450K+ troops into an armed conflict a waste of time. Kind of makes me question your abilities as an IA. Sorry but your name calling was unwarranted and childish. BTW I also swerved in the 1st Cav back in 1981.

While you say advocating treason is not punishable I have to correct you it is and again I question your IA ability as aiding and abetting the enemy is treason, whether it is direct or indirect. In addition I suggest you familiarize yourself with FCC regulations before you make such a commit let alone if you read the topix agreement you would find that it is written within FCC guidelines. As far as wasting my time, perhaps to you it is but as a proud American and one who evidently has a greater understanding of the law and constitution than you, I, and the FCC didn’t think so.

Not even going to get into politics with you. We disagree, leave it at that.

You stated: " find it hard to believe that an intelligence officer would even insinuate that the deployment of 450K+ troops into an armed conflict a waste of time. "

WTF does that mean? That every time the US sends troops into battle it is justified?? Viet Nam ring a bell? Sorry, I don't have the same blind faith in my leaders that you seem to.

I was a few miles outside of Basra when Bush called it off. There were actually orders at one point to move into Baghdad, that were rescinded almost as soon as they were issued. Saw it with my own eyes.
(I never stated I was an officer, but while you're imagining things, why not make me a 4 star General?)

People are tortured and persecuted all over the world everyday, we are not lifting a finger to help them. That is not what the Gulf War was about.

I worked with Kuwaiti translators everyday. They were a bunch of ungrateful, arrogant, sexist jerks. They refused to set up their own tents, it was "beneath" them, so we did that for them. I was spit at for being a woman in uniform. When the ceasefire was declared, we were riding back through the tri-border with our American flags on our vehicle antennae. We were ordered to remove them b/c it "offended" the Saudi's and Kuwaiti's,(whom we had just "liberated".) I was there for a year, on the front line, behind enemy lines at times, and those people were not worth one American life or dollar. It was a Middle Eastern problem which could easily been handled by the Saudis. The only reason we got involved was b/c of our dependence on oil. Nothing more. It was not a "humanitarian" mission by any means. It was BS.

You insulting my military service is pretty low. I can accept we have different opinions on politics, but I am not arrogant enough to say "I am right, you are wrong." We just think differently. You on the other hand, are an arrogant, condescending, paranoid, hot headed jerk. So much for rational discourse. I do not know what "name calling" you are referring to. I didn't attack your military service. I think you are a complete asshole, but I respect your service to this country nonetheless. You can question my "IA" ability all day long, you weren't over there living in a foxhole for 3 months w/ bullets, scuds and mortars flying over your head everyday, praying you were not going to get gassed. I lived it. I earned the right to have an opinion on it.

I do have pretty good grasp of Constitutional law, I have a law degree. I have seen no evidence of "abetting the enemy" on Topix and certainly not from anything you quoted. You can continue to insult my intelligence, like the bully you are, or post some proof of your accusations.

You need a hobby or a life or something. It sounds like you are a very angry person. In any case, I am done with you. You insult my service to my country and my patriotism, you are dead to me.

MMark

Sorry I will have to break my response down into two post in order to hit on all your points.

I can understand you disagreeing, and I can leave it at that. However, can’t expect to come onto a thread and make comments with out being called on them. Your accusation about me being a bully is far from the truth but I assume you have problems with people who can call you out point for point. The truth of the matter is you probably can’t debate the issue rationally and that is why you must resort to accusations and avoidance. Grow up you sound like a snot nosed teenager.

What I have responded with is far from blind faith, and just for your information I could equally discuss the Vietnam War. Good ole Johnson’s war but an ill informed person like yourself probably doesn’t even know we were leveraged into the Vietnam war and it was Kennedy’s intent to pull us out while only having 15 thousand advisors there at the time, it wasn’t until 6 months after Kennedy’s death that troop escalation began.

Of course there were orders we already had SF soldiers and seal team there, I was 60 miles outside of Baghdad with 3ID. You came on here with all that crap about being an Intelligence analyst it was only feasible for someone to think you were an officer. Truth is smart girl I was enlisted as well. Come to think of it your comments sound like a disgruntled PFC who had problems with authority.

Really perhaps you would like to enlighten us about what the gulf war was about, had nothing to do with the annexation of Kuwait. Now that’s news to me, Since the UN security counsel felt differently about it.

That is funny because I worked with the translators as well, seems I received the utmost respect, although I am not a woman. Yes I am sure there were a few who showed animosity against women but we had women within our units and we ensured they were treated appropriately, sounds like a command issue to me or perhaps it is what you expected of them or your attitude. Yes we didn’t fly the flags on our vehicles but you can bet your life we flew one with every setup. I was in and out in 5 months, in fact parts of 3ID were the ones to leave the equipment as they were cohorted out afterward. The Kuwaiti people were quite happy with us in fact one of the problems I had with Bush sr. is they offered so much per soldier on the ground as compensation and Bush Sr. refused, Always pissed me off that the cost of that war to the American taxpayer could have been cut significantly had Bush accepted the compensation package offered by the Kuwaiti government. The reason you state we went is nothing more than conjecture. I suggest you read the UN Security counsel briefs.

Second part.

Please point out where I have insulted your military service if you are in fact a prior service member then I honor you and your service, read my headline it says honor all veterans. The fact you don’t like what I have to say has nothing to do with my opinion of you, to be honest I have no opinion of you with the exception of your attitude. I have, on the other hand pointed out things you either have no knowledge of or you were unable to comprehend while active duty, You stooping to name calling does nothing but deteriorate your standing on the subject material. What the hell do you mean I wasn’t over there, My unit deployed December 28th 1990; my unit also had soldiers there already in August from 3rd brigade. We lost some of our own in fact after the return the gym in Ashaufingberg Germany was renamed for three of soldiers we lost. You have every right to your opinion but when you try and pass off your opinion as fact, your rights end. Perhaps that is why you think I’m an asshole and a bully because I wont let you get away with such insolent behavior

Really tell me what University do you have a law degree from? I hold two degrees from the University of Maryland both with Law as a minor. Constitutional law is first year stuff unless you specialize. Seems strange how you made statements about Obama but didn’t know two primary sections, which dealt with the major issues currently at hand within our government. By all means describe in detail what is meant by article one section eight and the 16th amendment in regards to the Socialism of America.

I think you are the one in need of a hobby I have in no way insulted your service or your patriotism however if you believe that using propaganda contrary to the interest of the U.S., along with advocating the rebellion of soldiers against their leaders is not treasonous then I suggest you give back that law degree you supposedly have. Again Tokyo Rose was only guilty of using propaganda. Angry, more like more informed than you seem to be. Reread you paragraph on how you viewed the people of Kuwait then come back and talk to me about anger issue.

BTW while you claim to be an AI; I was one of two NCO's which consulted on the Congressional Defense plan for Western Europe. my first Conference was in Bamberg Germany in 1986 my second one was in 1988 wheright before the fall of the wall. The next one was canceled because of Bosinia. I retired after that.

If you want to discuss the issue rationaly I will do so but lay off the accusations and the name calling. You have every right to your opinion just don't try and pass it off as fact.

If you really want to talk about the war how about you give an opinion of what you think G. W.'s biggest mistake were, now that is a topic worth discussing.

You can use those little icons all you want it's just a sign you can't communincate effectively.

Enjoy your Phychosis

MMark- I suspect you are probably smart enough to know this, but don't give this jackass any personal information, especially not on a public internet forum. He is clearly baiting you. Don't take it. Also, thank you for your service.

Phil- I have to agree with MMark. The title of this thread caught my attention, as I am a Constitutional lawyer in Manhattan. You encourage members of this community to "flood" Topix with complaints over what you perceive to be "treasonous" comments. Yet, you fail to provide any tangible, legitimate proof. Then you fly off the handle because someone dared call you on it? You sound like a raving lunatic. You did in fact call into question MMark's military service, perhaps you should re-read you own posts. She simply stated her opinion, in a calm, rational manner, and you jumped on her like a pitbull. You should be ashamed of yourself. Yes, this is my first post on this forum, you will no doubt make an issue of it. Go for it. I don't think you are fooling anyone.

Thanks DoodleDoo! lol I am a Yankee too, although I live out West these days.

As for Mr. "Honor all Veterans", I said he was dead to me and he is. No worries. That's all I am going to say on the matter.

YankeeDoodleDoo

A constitutional lawyer from the same town (IP location) as MMark with a newly registered account, whose first post is in defense of a person who also told me she had a law degree, and to think you just happened to fall on to this thread now isn’t that a coincidence. Was also nice of you to start with name calling, quite unprofessional for a constitutional lawyer wouldn’t you say

Really first she tells me she has a law degree then you come on here and say you have a Constitutional law degree, forgive me for my skeptic opinion of your post, I had no problems stating where I had my degrees from so how could you even justify the baiting issue. BTW Phil Gray is my real name and it would not be hard for you to verify my degree status. For my Foreign Degree status you will have to request it from the Gemeuinde of Schweinfurt Germany. But feel free to show me you legal skills by answering the question I posed to her. But if you really are a constitutional lawyer you would have no problem explaining the in-depth reasoning behind the 14th amendment in the Roe V. Wade case., now if you could do that according to both sides of the argument I might not be so skeptical of yet another person telling me they have a law degree..

But on the other hand I offer you the same question if using propaganda as a venue to incite soldiers rebel against their leader or to afford aid and abetting to enemy forces isn’t treason then by all means,.please elaborate since the laws have not changed .

I could care less about being called on it I took the time to document the material and first used the avenue of the topix complaint system. It was after no action was taken I filed it with the FCC and they supported my action.

Raving lunatic now you sound like MMark herself. Makes statement of opinion and tries to pass them off as fact. Your Dam right I will call her out.

I did no such action of questioning her military service I did however question her opinion of misstated facts. Yea I assumed she was an Officer go back and look at her response before you question mine, she didn’t even show the respect of addressing the points I made. Her response told me exactly what I perceived she didn’t hold the rank to make the statements she made as being facts. I still think she was a disgruntled PFC who was either got kicked out , received a psycho discharge or got out because she couldn’t handle it.

BTW why should I be ashamed of myself shouldn’t she be ashamed of making opinion statements and passing them off as facts. In addition my tangible legitimate proof is all over the Jacksonville threads and the Hawaii threads, provided Topix hasn’t deleted it at the direction of the FCC

Perhaps, as a constitutional lawyer you could tell the FCC , Topix and me the legalities and Errors of the FCC regulations topix must abide by in reference to the prior case. Now that is baiting, don’t forget a good lawyer never asks a question he can’t answer.

Now I guess you’ll call me a bully too, LOL

Next time have the decency to point out the inaccuracies of the party you chose to defend,