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It will be a disaster, both funcionally, and financially. I work with several people who have lived in Europe, and they can't believe the US is considering this move. It is full of red tape, limiting, and the taxpayers will foot the bill-in increased taxes.

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who cares wrote:

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Obviously talking to people that have lived in Europe doesn't give you the facts. Here is the World Health Organization's rankings of health care systems: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.h...
As you can see, the US ranks 37th in the world, which is a shame for the country that squanders the most money on health care. Almost all European countries rank much higher. Even Saudi Arabia ranks much higher that us.Too bad we can't have a top notch health care system like France.

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who cares wrote:

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Obviously talking to people that have lived in Europe doesn't give you the facts. Here is the World Health Organization's rankings of health care systems: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.h...
As you can see, the US ranks 37th in the world, which is a shame for the country that squanders the most money on health care. Almost all European countries rank much higher. Even Saudi Arabia ranks much higher that us.Too bad we can't have a top notch health care system like France.

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Take it from someone who has been to other countries and witnessed it first hand. It's a disaster. Why do you think everyone comes here for healthcare?
The deficit inflicted from such a disastrous policy might be the final nails in the coffin for this country.

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fix the problems wrote:

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Take it from someone who has been to other countries and witnessed it first hand. It's a disaster. Why do you think everyone comes here for healthcare?
The deficit inflicted from such a disastrous policy might be the final nails in the coffin for this country.

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I think that many people here are going to other countries to get treatment and surgeries these days. They can go to India and get a knee replacement surgery for a fraction of the cost there and receive the same if not better care.
I dont know exactly what the great O is proposing but something must be done to change our current system.
This story tells the truth about our current health care system and it is severely messed up.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01...

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who cares wrote:

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They don't want facts Katn. They will still believe we have the best medical system no matter how much evidence to the contrary. I gave them facts and they kept harping on what so and so said.

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shooter wrote:

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No, you don't don't want to hear the facts. I work for a company that is based in Europe. Everyday, I talk to Europeans that have dealt with the health care system in Europe. They all despise it, and the one's that are here now can't belive how much better it is over here. All of the people that have moved here can't fathom the idea of switching to that nightmare. The only people this will help will be the one's that don't have insurance. Everyone else will have diminished coverage, more red-tape, and will be paying more taxes for people that don't work. What is that? Socialism.

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shooter wrote:

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No, you don't don't want to hear the facts. I work for a company that is based in Europe. Everyday, I talk to Europeans that have dealt with the health care system in Europe. They all despise it, and the one's that are here now can't belive how much better it is over here. All of the people that have moved here can't fathom the idea of switching to that nightmare. The only people this will help will be the one's that don't have insurance. Everyone else will have diminished coverage, more red-tape, and will be paying more taxes for people that don't work. What is that? Socialism.

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You haven't presented any facts at all.You have only stated that you talked to people and they don't like it. Is that your idea of scientific proof? I have also talked to people from Europe and they can't believe we have such an inferior medical system. But I don't go by what they say, I go by scientific facts and I presented some to you. You refuse to be educated so I'm done with you. Believe the earth is flat if you want.

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You haven't presented any facts at all.You have only stated that you talked to people and they don't like it. Is that your idea of scientific proof? I have also talked to people from Europe and they can't believe we have such an inferior medical system. But I don't go by what they say, I go by scientific facts and I presented some to you. You refuse to be educated so I'm done with you. Believe the earth is flat if you want.

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http://www.projo.com/opinion/contributors/con...
http://smartgirlnation.com/2009/06/01/popular...
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/rank...
Read these links folks.
Oh you wiley liberals love to throw out that study but if you really understand it and you appear not to you will realize that it is weighted unfairly toward equality and not quality (which for me at least is most important). The people who did the study are socialists (from Norway). And what was said earlier is correct. You won't like this answer but think about it this way. Where do the people who can go anywhere (rich people) go for healthcare. They go to the U.S. Royality in other countries (even from Europe) come to the U.S for treatment. Our rich citizens don't go to other countries for treatment (unless they are going for a procedure that is not approved here like F. Fawcett). Silly liberal, wrong again.
Question for you. Name something that the public sector does that the private sector also does but the public sector does better. Things that are done for profit are done better because of competition.

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Ha ha The ones I have talked to say the opposite, how is that? They like it much better over there. I am thinking that the ones you are talking to are not sick much and only see the doctors for routine stuff. They haven't had any major illnesses or surgeries. You do understand that getting sick these days can easily bankrupt a person? Even when they have insurance. You do understand one surgery can cost as much if not more than a luxury car? Insurance does not cover everything. You do realize that there are shots out there that cost in the thousands just for one shot. It is ridiculous, something needs to change.

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Ha ha The ones I have talked to say the opposite, how is that? They like it much better over there. I am thinking that the ones you are talking to are not sick much and only see the doctors for routine stuff. They haven't had any major illnesses or surgeries. You do understand that getting sick these days can easily bankrupt a person? Even when they have insurance. You do understand one surgery can cost as much if not more than a luxury car? Insurance does not cover everything. You do realize that there are shots out there that cost in the thousands just for one shot. It is ridiculous, something needs to change.

katn wrote:

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Ha ha The ones I have talked to say the opposite, how is that? They like it much better over there. I am thinking that the ones you are talking to are not sick much and only see the doctors for routine stuff. They haven't had any major illnesses or surgeries. You do understand that getting sick these days can easily bankrupt a person? Even when they have insurance. You do understand one surgery can cost as much if not more than a luxury car? Insurance does not cover everything. You do realize that there are shots out there that cost in the thousands just for one shot. It is ridiculous, something needs to change.