Ridge heading toward fire protection district?

Jun 24, 2010 Full story: Oak Lawn/Evergreen Park Reporter 41

Chicago Ridge is taking part in a study that could lead to the village combining its fire protection services with those of other municipalities.

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Chicago, IL

#1 Jun 24, 2010
Ridge heading toward fire protection district?



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Village part of study with Alsip and Oak Lawn

By Jesse Marx

Chicago Ridge is taking part in a study that could lead to the village combining its fire protection services with those of other municipalities.

The study being conducted by the Metropolitan Mayors Caucus is designed to reduce costs for the Chicago Ridge, Oak Lawn and Alsip fire departments. Chicago Ridge will pay $3,750 to help fund the study, while the Mayors Caucus agreed to pick up an additional $3,750 of the village’s portion of expenses.

The 2010-11 budget projection for the Chicago Ridge Fire Department is about $2.8 million — a $200,000 increase from the previous fiscal year. The department owns 12 pieces of equipment and has 19 full-time and 12 paid-on-call employees.“Villages can’t afford their fire departments anymore,” Mayor Eugene Siegel said at the Village Board’s meeting June 15.

Whatever the outcome of the study, the firefighting personnel is not likely to change, Siegel said.

A consultant for the Mayors Caucus will contact and review the fire department sometime in July, said Chicago Ridge Fire Chief Randall Grossi.

“It certainly has the potential to be a huge cost-savings for us,” said village Trustee Brad Grove about consolidating fire protection services.

A fire protection district could be formed as a result of this study and others like it, Siegel said. A similar study between several northeastern Illinois counties is in the works, he added.

Should a fire protection district form, the residents of Chicago Ridge would be hit with a paramedic tax, Siegel said. Such a tax was abated when the fire department was created some 30 years ago.

“I would certainly not be opposed to becoming a fire protection district, nor would the firefighters, as long as their pay and benefits were not reduced,” Grossi said.
Resident

Chicago, IL

#2 Jun 24, 2010
It will save the Village Board money but it will cost the village more money. Siegel says right off the top of his head that it will raise the paramedic tax levy and Grove says it has the potential to lower the Village taxes. Grove is interested in running a shell game and Siegel is watching out for us. We the village will pay more in taxes for fire protection with this fire district. Why is it that the career politician is better at math than the "professional".
103rd street

Alsip, IL

#3 Jun 24, 2010
Worth has North Palos FD and they are thinking about the CC Sheriff for the PD. This is no surprise. We are broke. The State is broke. The Country is struggling. As so the World. It is the time to cut costs, weed out and rebuild. No money is... no money. And taxes are to high for us to go even higher. Things have got to change.
Just Asking

Chicago Ridge, IL

#4 Jun 24, 2010
103rd street wrote:
Worth has North Palos FD and they are thinking about the CC Sheriff for the PD. This is no surprise. We are broke. The State is broke. The Country is struggling. As so the World. It is the time to cut costs, weed out and rebuild. No money is... no money. And taxes are to high for us to go even higher. Things have got to change.
What am I missing here? We are broke? When did we go broke? If we did go broke why are we having RidgeFest again? That had to be a small fortune. I don't think that we are not going to pay for the FD. I think this is going to be interesting. Is it just me or does it seem like Brad Grove gets a lot of happiness attacking the FD? Did you notice how the Chief said the FD would like the district idea "if" there were no changes to the staff or their salaries? What is the point of reductions if there is no smaller salaries? Does anyone else think this is a boondoggle? When did we go broke again? When were we told that before?
Hard hat

Chicago, IL

#5 Jun 26, 2010
Fire departments, it should be noted, do not lend themselves to easy comparison. This consultant study will come back with the conclusion that our small village fire department should be swallowed up into a bigger fire department. When did Grove become a pencil neck? Certainly not in school.

The Village has been trying to do this since Grove got on the board. He is not like most residents. He doesn't like the firefighters or the department. But even that didn't stop him from getting in the middle of all the contracts on the new Firehouse. He is a contractor. He liked making all the connections and giving a few no-bid items to his friends.

For a resident who has a stroke or a grease fire, a well-funded fire department seems like a good use of tax dollars. The Village will quit paying for the Fire Department but the village taxpayers will still pay taxes for fire protection. And now our tax dollars will go to other towns to spend. Grove and Davies would shoot to control the fire district board, too.
111th Street

Chicago Ridge, IL

#6 Jun 27, 2010
103rd street wrote:
Worth has North Palos FD and they are thinking about the CC Sheriff for the PD. This is no surprise. We are broke. The State is broke. The Country is struggling. As so the World. It is the time to cut costs, weed out and rebuild. No money is... no money. And taxes are to high for us to go even higher. Things have got to change.
Let's change when the benefits are obvious because fire protection districts are created by a majority vote of the registered voters residing within the area of the proposed district. The real estate tax is the major source of revenue for fire protection districts. Fire Protection Districts DO NOT have access to INCOME OR SALES TAX REVENUE. How will this help us pay less taxes?
Old Timer

Redmond, WA

#7 Jul 2, 2010
For any of you out there to young to remember if you look back in history the village the Chicago Ridge Fire Department was formed through the old Chicago Ridge Fire Protection District back in the 1960,s by a vote of the people to place control of the fire department in the hands of the village. Since the village has met its limits and can grow no further or incorporate taxable property and does not have any areas that are under protected it would be a waste of time to try to switch back to a protection district. The only change would be from a municipal goverment form of control to a board of trustees that are elected by the people or appointed by the county and township.
The point is this

Orland Park, IL

#8 Jul 7, 2010
The bottom line is Chicago Ridge would consolidate with other nearby departments thereby forming a fire district. The idea is to reduce costs ( could be administratively, eliminate redundency, etc) and improve or streamline service.

What happened in Worth? They had 4 guys a shift( 2 on the ambulance 2 on the engine). A 2 man engine is about efficient as the aerodynamics of a city bus.

Now Worth has 5 guys a shift (3 man engine) after North Palos took them over.
Oh Really

Chicago Ridge, IL

#9 Jul 7, 2010
The point is this wrote:
The bottom line is Chicago Ridge would consolidate with other nearby departments thereby forming a fire district. The idea is to reduce costs ( could be administratively, eliminate redundency, etc) and improve or streamline service.
What happened in Worth? They had 4 guys a shift( 2 on the ambulance 2 on the engine). A 2 man engine is about efficient as the aerodynamics of a city bus.
Now Worth has 5 guys a shift (3 man engine) after North Palos took them over.
Bottom line? How much money has the Village of Worth tax payers paid to North Palos since the take-over?
A. Nothing
B. Zippo
C. Nadda
What will happen when North Palos pulls out? They are not a charity organization.
Resident

Morgan Hill, CA

#10 Jul 8, 2010
It was reported in the newspaper that it was going to save Worth $300,000 a year but so far it only saved $70,000. It did not say what they pay to North Palos, it just said they only saved $70,000 by going with them instead of keeping their own dept. You never save what all those studies say you will.
what next

Chicago Ridge, IL

#11 Jul 8, 2010
Resident wrote:
It was reported in the newspaper that it was going to save Worth $300,000 a year but so far it only saved $70,000. It did not say what they pay to North Palos, it just said they only saved $70,000 by going with them instead of keeping their own dept. You never save what all those studies say you will.
Whatever the amount Worth owed,$100,000 or $1,000,000, nothing has been paid! Now I read where we will start housing prisoners for them because the Worth station will close early in the afternoon. What the hell is going on here?
Eye on the ball

Oak Lawn, IL

#15 Aug 14, 2010
The point is this wrote:
The bottom line is Chicago Ridge would consolidate with other nearby departments thereby forming a fire district. The idea is to reduce costs ( could be administratively, eliminate redundency, etc) and improve or streamline service.
What happened in Worth? They had 4 guys a shift( 2 on the ambulance 2 on the engine). A 2 man engine is about efficient as the aerodynamics of a city bus.
Now Worth has 5 guys a shift (3 man engine) after North Palos took them over.
Dear Point is This, keep your Eye on the ball. Where are the cost savings? If you are talking about merging with Oak Lawn or Alsip and then not paying a fair share you should go to jail or worse. Did you notice how the Chief said the FD would like the district idea "if" there were no changes to the staff or their salaries? What is the point of reductions if there is no smaller salaries? Does anyone else think this is a boondoggle? When did we go broke again? When were we told that before?
answer

Winnetka, IL

#16 Aug 14, 2010
If they became a protection district than you will receive a fire tax. Illinois has the most taxing bodies in the U.S. even more than California. You still are going to pay through your property taxes like a school district. The amount of money what 2.4 million you know what the mayor is going to do with that? It will go towards other services like roads, police, administration you won't see a reduction and politician will not turn money back in, they want to spend.

One last thing I hate when a politician says they are the CEO of a multi million dollar corporation. B.S. what corporation takes money and gives nothing back to its shareholders, where is the profit? We taxpayers or the shareholders and we would be failed investors if we believed that crap.
Remember

Oak Lawn, IL

#17 Jan 25, 2011
Fine Print wrote:
Ridge heading toward fire protection district?
Online Poll: Should Chicago Ridge join a fire protection district if it saves the village money?
Yes
No
View Results
Village part of study with Alsip and Oak Lawn
By Jesse Marx
Chicago Ridge is taking part in a study that could lead to the village combining its fire protection services with those of other municipalities.
The study being conducted by the Metropolitan Mayors Caucus is designed to reduce costs for the Chicago Ridge, Oak Lawn and Alsip fire departments. Chicago Ridge will pay $3,750 to help fund the study, while the Mayors Caucus agreed to pick up an additional $3,750 of the village’s portion of expenses.
The 2010-11 budget projection for the Chicago Ridge Fire Department is about $2.8 million — a $200,000 increase from the previous fiscal year. The department owns 12 pieces of equipment and has 19 full-time and 12 paid-on-call employees.“Villages can’t afford their fire departments anymore,” Mayor Eugene Siegel said at the Village Board’s meeting June 15.
Whatever the outcome of the study, the firefighting personnel is not likely to change, Siegel said.
A consultant for the Mayors Caucus will contact and review the fire department sometime in July, said Chicago Ridge Fire Chief Randall Grossi.
“It certainly has the potential to be a huge cost-savings for us,” said village Trustee Brad Grove about consolidating fire protection services.
A fire protection district could be formed as a result of this study and others like it, Siegel said. A similar study between several northeastern Illinois counties is in the works, he added.
Should a fire protection district form, the residents of Chicago Ridge would be hit with a paramedic tax, Siegel said. Such a tax was abated when the fire department was created some 30 years ago.
“I would certainly not be opposed to becoming a fire protection district, nor would the firefighters, as long as their pay and benefits were not reduced,” Grossi said.
Remember how much money Trustee Brad Grove was going to save us with our new Fire District? How much did your taxes go down last time? Nothing at all? Where is our money-saving Fire District anyway? We'll wait until you get back from Florida Bradley.
First step

Chicago Ridge, IL

#18 Jan 26, 2011
Stop the big retirement packages. When are we going to find out what Grossi is getting?
Joe Average

Chicago, IL

#19 Jan 26, 2011
First step wrote:
Stop the big retirement packages. When are we going to find out what Grossi is getting?
How does the VAP feel about the Buyouts? Let's see. Mike will say no way to buyouts. Jack will say "I love big buyouts" and Lynn will ask Brad what to do. Our future Village Board.
Remember

Oak Lawn, IL

#21 May 27, 2011
Remember wrote:
<quoted text>Remember how much money Trustee Brad Grove was going to save us with our new Fire District? How much did your taxes go down last time? Nothing at all? Where is our money-saving Fire District anyway? We'll wait until you get back from Florida Bradley.
So here we are, a year later. What have we heard from the new Chicago Ridge Fire protection district? Oh wait. We didn't hear anything. What about it? Can't you finish anything?
Remember

Worth, IL

#22 Sep 25, 2011
Remember wrote:
<quoted text>So here we are, a year later. What have we heard from the new Chicago Ridge Fire protection district? Oh wait. We didn't hear anything. What about it? Can't you finish anything?
Anything thuggie?
Resident

Chicago, IL

#23 Sep 27, 2011
Remember wrote:
<quoted text> Anything thuggie?
Thuggie? What is that for? Show a little respect.
Ron Paul Fan Two

Chicago, IL

#24 Dec 13, 2011
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