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Estrella

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Jun 27, 2006
 
We Hispanics rape and destroy countries? You are very misinformed most of us are hard working family people we help out in our nieghborhoods and do volunteer work, the ones that live in the countries that are destroyed are not those of us that live here and abide by our countries laws. Where are your ancestors from? They came to this country from some where else unless they are native american! Also look at our country that is being destroyed by drugs, broken familie's and just plain not caring , it happens every where and small minded people like you are the cause!!!
Marie Lewis

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Jun 27, 2006
 
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/

DO NOT TAKE MY WORD ...PLEASE READ THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS SOMETIMES DEAR..
AND CHECK OUT THIS SITE!!!!http://www.immigration watchdog.com/
Neal

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Jun 27, 2006
 
Interesting, and troubling ... Illegal immigration, or simply economic opportunism is still just that - Illegal. I can very much understand the obvious anger of Marie in Texas, where she's been on the frontline of this problem for decades... When I moved from Portland toward Gaston, my sister-in-law jokingly referred to (Oregon's) Cornelius as, "Little Mexico City." I was puzzled, having grown up in SE Portland, with few minorities at that time. Not any more! I spoke with my Mother in Portland a day ago; she mentioned that every apartment building in the area is nearly filled with "Mexicans." What's up? Illegal penetration!

While they care for the children, clean the houses and do the yard work of the intellectual elite, often Democrats, they'll work under-the-table for ruthless Republican business owners - for far less than it takes us to maintain our society ... Who looses?--The Common Citizen -- the person who's union is dying, who's schools are inundated with Spanish speaking children on welfare, US citizens seeking government assistance that's being funneled toward this growing underclass; basically, anyone left within our shrinking 'Middle Class.' If we allow this invasion to continue we'll end up much like the country they've fled -- extreme wealth vs. extreme poverty. To Marie, it's there, to me, I see coming fast!

Though Marie's comments are harsh, they reflect the truth; and though Estrella's comments sound benign, they ignore this horrendous problem. Also, Estrella, every person on this planet, save for a handful of Africans, have emigrated - including the 'Indigenous Americans.' There's a time when a line must be drawn, and one's position held. If US Citizens have achieved their status by dubious means, I won’t argue, but we've a long established culture that's now being undercut by the Latino invasion from our south.– Strange -I haven't noticed any Canadian’s pouring across our northern boarder...

Much of Marie's concerns mirror those of Democrats like me; Latinos have adapted a culture of over-population and poverty, if they are so proud of it - why are they fleeing it? If you expect us to embrace it, do you not see the contradictions..? Yes, you want ‘safe neighborhoods’ too, but will your culture stop at two children like (myself) ours, enabling us to maintain our higher standard of living? Or, will they continue to ignore the consequences and continue to blindly worship a religion that promotes overwhelming the planet for God & Pope? Will they become well educated citizens of the US, or a permanent underclass; a parallel of poverty requiring we communicate, fund, and compete with their needs...?

I'd bet the USA could nearly empty the third-world nations if we continued with an open-boarders policy. If we allow those who've snuck into this nation to remain, even gain citizenship (thus hauling up their extended families) what message does that send to the world?--That we're wonderfully 'caring and sharing' people, or absolute idiots? As the perpetrators on both sides hope to sweep this problem under the table ... an excellent example of where such amnesty gets us is right where we're at now. We're surrounded by up to 20 Million Illegal Aliens who, 20 so years ago, watched their prior generation rewarded from the same illegal behavior.... Let's all make sure that doesn't happen again!
Marie Lewis

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Jun 27, 2006
 
Estrella.
I wish I had of said everything that Neal said and even in the way he said it..But I didn't..I have said time and again though that I'm not racist nor am I against Legal Immigration.
But at this time our Schools,Our Hospitals,Our Social Services can not support any more people..Do you realize that Texas gives Free Medical,Free WIC(Formula,Cheese,Juice,Beans ,Peanut Butter)To all illegal children under six..Then there is food stamps (LONG STAR CARD )That buys food for these famlies..When they are not sold for other things.But do not get me wrong fraud is in all races on the welfare system..But do you realize we have no way to prove who is really who they say they are and how many children they are claiming that actually qualify..We in the north west part of Texas are on a water ration and it looks to be a long long time..What are we going to feed millions more when all of the jobs are being taken up by none tax payers working for five dollars an hour?Do the hispanic population ever think that what you really want to do here is vote in Mexicans into Goverment..And then what will you have Estrella?? You will have what everyone in Mexico are risking their lives to flee from..All of the same poor people being starved ..So that the corrupt goverment and its army can get rich..Is this not what we are trying to save you as well as ourselves from?.And if I'm wrong about every young hispanic female being pregnant and have three already then the Goverment sure has its stats wrong on how many Illegals are born here every year..But Estrella I think you already knew the answer to this when you became so defensive.I never ment to be so angry ..But I see this everyday and it can only end in grief and suffering for all of our children and grandchildren..Thank you Neal that was amazing insite by you and very well written.
Marie Lewis

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Jun 27, 2006
 
I don't make this stuff up Estrella I'm sorry for the families
That this ILLEGAL Murdered..And I want to make myself clear sweetie I said ILLEGAL..NOT Mexican.

The Mexican drifter known as the "Railroad Killer" was executed for the slaying of physician Claudia Benton 7 1/2 years ago. She was killed during a deadly spree in 1998 and 1999 that earned Resendiz a spot on the FBI's Most Wanted list as authorities searched for a murderer who slipped across the U.S. border and roamed the country by freight train.

Benton was stabbed with a kitchen knife, bludgeoned with a 2-foot bronze statue and raped in 1998 in her Houston home, just down the street from a railroad track.

Authorities realized they were pursuing a serial killer when DNA evidence tied Resendiz to Benton's murder and the killings of a church pastor and his wife who were beaten with a sledgehammer as they slept in their house near tracks outside Houston.

A month later, the Mexican drifter walked across the international bridge at El Paso from Mexico and surrendered to police as part of a deal arranged by his sister.

Benton's husband, George, witnessed Resendiz's execution "to make the statement that people have to understand what evil really is."

"What was executed today may have looked like a man, walked and talked like a man but what was contained inside that skin was not a human being," he said. "This is not human behavior but something I can only say is evil contained in human form, a creature without a soul, no conscience, no sense of remorse, no regard for the sanctity of human life."
Lynn

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Jun 28, 2006
 
Unless you're a full-blooded Native American, you haven't got much a high horse to stand on... because ALL the rest of us are unwanted "illegal" immigrants. No matter how much we wish to rationalize otherwise, our forefathers TOOK and STOLE this land through warfare from the rightful inhabitants. If it happened today, it would be something the US and the world would be horrified at...

We ought to be grateful our newcomers come, as a whole, peacefully and with good intentions.
Neal

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Jun 29, 2006
 
Marie, thanks; I understand your frustration, you sound like my wife! An otherwise wonderfully caring person, tolerant and helpful to everyone she meets, but so tolerant that when she's finally had enough (like with illegal immigration) she 'looses it!' I'm politically active in my area, booth sitting for the Democratic Party lately; so I hear it all the time, and therefore,'respond' to it more often. People are very upset over this issue / problem, ordinary people - the one's that see its negative repercussions on a daily basis. Mom's who complain how such 'immigrants' trash the city parks, to their husbands loosing construction jobs to illegal migrant framing crews... Teachers, secretly describing the finical burden and time taken from their 'indigenous' students to deal with migratory Hispanics unable to speak English; to graduating students complaining of the necessity they know how to speak Spanish to find a job... And many times - these people are just as angry as you, but I can tell one thing for sure -- they're not making this stuff up!

I, as a Democrat, also have a VERY difficult time 'explaining' my party’s weak stance on this festering problem... It's down-right embarrassing! Here I am surrounded by party ligature promoting 'my' candidates for this November -- and I find myself having far more in common with the other sides candidates... The only way I can hang in there is to remind myself NOT to be a 'One Issue' voter, and how my side represents my social & political views on a multitude of other fronts. But, I use my contacts with the Democratic party to tell them what I'm 'telling you'---that they'd better not count on their longtime Dem. voters to continue to ignore this issue -- cause it's real - and it may be quite costly them this November! I suggest EVERYONE concerned let their local, state, and federal representatives know how they feel -- and speak however you want; they know they’re hearing from real people that way, and not from some organized effort to sway them.

My wife also brings up the multitude of murders, rapes, burglaries, and drug-running arrests of, for lack of a better term are Mexicans, are Mexican Nationals illegally within this nation. Living between 3 fair sized cities, one week each town's newspaper had a different murder, all 3 apparently perpetrated by Mexican illegal’s... On a weekly basis, one of them will report at least one of the above offences. Had my family not gone back nearly 100 years in this area, maybe I'd think of this as 'normal,' but I've heard enough stories of old to know better -- and the scourge of illegal Latino’s is happing on "My Watch."

Lynn, Mosior; what's going 'up the Gorge'? Family from Hood River tells me there's long been conflict between migrant fruit pickers ... and, I'm afraid I would describe that problem as racist -- it happens, but I feel the vast majority of angry citizens just now speaking up try very hard not to 'go there.' In fact, to keep from appearing 'racist' they'll avoid the issue until they nearly burst with anger, perhaps like Marie... Yes, "Migrants," I remember the days when they were just that, seasonal workers following the harvest north, then wintering back home in Mexico --- seemed to work for everyone. But now they're staying year-round; around here the nursery (plant growing) industry, construction industry, janitorial services, temporary services, wineries... provide them year-round employment - if not 'protection' from deportation. And compared to Central American wages,$5 an hour looks pretty good!

As far as your comments on "full-blooded Native American" ... check the next comment box:
Neal

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Jun 29, 2006
 
Lynn, "full-blooded Native American" That's a strange, but familiar comment; many of the current illegal’s 'claim' to a permanent status is due to them birthing a child within the USA --- are they now "full-blooded Native American(s)"? I've a monstrous book I may never finish reading, it's so detailed and complicated...{The Times Atlas Of World History} It's amazing, maps, charts, and descriptions of mans conquest of this planet. I'm often shocked to find that an entirely different culture, if not race (one that I thought had 'forever' owned that land / region) had once been occupied, if not settled by another... This has happened throughout human history, and is apparently well documented. I'm sure you're aware that genetic testing had proven that all "full-blooded Native Americans" are linked to their ancestors in Eastern Siberia, just as "they're" ancestors are linked to the people of Western Asia (Persia)... and so on --- right back to the cradle of man -- Africa.

Just as entire species of ancient extinct North American animals were believed to have fallen pray to those wily Eastern Siberian human invaders, so have vast cultures and pockets of humanity. Unfortunately, when desperate enough - that's what 'we' do... Now, just as nearly every "full-blooded Native American" tribe fought constantly with neighboring tribes (often making slaves of the losers), European 'invaders' did the same in the Americas. Was this 'right'? Maybe not, but it was definitely in keeping with our Human experience~

So, we're to allow a continuous flow of desperate illegal immigrants? Or, as you put it, we should be "grateful our newcomers come"? The way I see it (though I've "Native American" blood in me), my ancestors have fought JUST as hard for this country as anyone before them - and they won! Now, are we to lie down with guilt or shame because of all we've achieved, and then allow it to pass on again to whomever's most aggressive or persistent? Or, should be defend and protect what's now ours?

Strange, as we fight the al Qaeda on the other side of the planet, our actual sovereignty is being given away, as you put it "peacefully and with good intentions" right in our backyards. Maybe America’s had it too good … but if we wish to maintain the culture we've established -- we'd better fight the war that’s closest to home!
Neal

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Jun 29, 2006
 
Still trying to figure out how the post around here ... this should have shown up 'first'-- Neal

Marie, thanks; I understand your frustration, you sound like my wife! An otherwise wonderfully caring person, tolerant and helpful to everyone she meets, but so tolerant that when she's finally had enough (like with illegal immigration) she 'looses it!' I'm politically active in my area, booth sitting for the Democratic Party lately; so I hear it all the time, and therefore,'respond' to it more often. People are very upset over this issue / problem, ordinary people - the one's that see its negative repercussions on a daily basis. Mom's who complain how such 'immigrants' trash the city parks, to their husbands loosing construction jobs to illegal migrant framing crews... Teachers, secretly describing the finical burden and time taken from their 'indigenous' students to deal with migratory Hispanics unable to speak English; to graduating students complaining of the necessity they know how to speak Spanish to find a job... And many times - these people are just as angry as you, but I can tell one thing for sure -- they're not making this stuff up!

I, as a Democrat, also have a VERY difficult time 'explaining' my party’s weak stance on this festering problem... It's down-right embarrassing! Here I am surrounded by party ligature promoting 'my' candidates for this November -- and I find myself having far more in common with the other sides candidates... The only way I can hang in there is to remind myself NOT to be a 'One Issue' voter, and how my side represents my social & political views on a multitude of other fronts. But, I use my contacts with the Democratic party to tell them what I'm 'telling you'---that they'd better not count on their longtime Dem. voters to continue to ignore this issue -- cause it's real - and it may be quite costly them this November! I suggest EVERYONE concerned let their local, state, and federal representatives know how they feel -- and speak however you want; they know they’re hearing from real people that way, and not from some organized effort to sway them.

My wife also brings up the multitude of murders, rapes, burglaries, and drug-running arrests of, for lack of a better term are Mexicans, are Mexican Nationals illegally within this nation. Living between 3 fair sized cities, one week each town's newspaper had a different murder, all 3 apparently perpetrated by Mexican illegal’s... On a weekly basis, one of them will report at least one of the above offences. Had my family not gone back nearly 100 years in this area, maybe I'd think of this as 'normal,' but I've heard enough stories of old to know better -- and the scourge of illegal Latino’s is happing on "My Watch."

Lynn, Mosior; what's going 'up the Gorge'? Family from Hood River tells me there's long been conflict between migrant fruit pickers ... and, I'm afraid I would describe that problem as racist -- it happens, but I feel the vast majority of angry citizens just now speaking up try very hard not to 'go there.' In fact, to keep from appearing 'racist' they'll avoid the issue until they nearly burst with anger, perhaps like Marie... Yes, "Migrants," I remember the days when they were just that, seasonal workers following the harvest north, then wintering back home in Mexico --- seemed to work for everyone. But now they're staying year-round; around here the nursery (plant growing) industry, construction industry, janitorial services, temporary services, wineries... provide them year-round employment - if not 'protection' from deportation. And compared to Central American wages,$5 an hour looks pretty good!

As far as your comments on "full-blooded Native American" ... They've ended up above this ...
Josh McCourt

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Jun 29, 2006
 
I COMMEND YOU ON WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT IMMIGRATION. I AM A CURRENT RESIDENT OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND I AM LOOKING TO MOVE TO OREGON DUE TO THE FACT OF OVER POPULATION, AND THE HISPANIC OVER BREEDING. HERE, CACASAIN FAMILIES PER HOUSE HOLD RANGE FROM TWO TO FIVE AT THE MAX: WHERE HISPANIC FAMILIES RANGE FROM 3 TO SAY 9. I AM AGAINST THE RIGHT TO PROTECT THESE INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE WITH WHAT WAS STATED ABOVE, CAUSES POVERTY IN AREAS. FOR INSTANCE: I WAS BORN IN GARDEN ROVE, CA, AT THE TIME WASA A MIDDLE TO LOWER UPPER CALSS AREA IN THE AT THE END OF THE 70'S. NOW IT IS CONCITERED A POVERTEY AREA (LOW CLASS) AND FULL OF CRIME. THE WORST CRIME RATE IN ORANGE COUNTY WHICH HAS A POPULATION OF 17.4 MILLION PEOPLE. I DUE FIN D THAT CREESDS OF HISPANIC DICSENT (MEXICANS) CAUSE POVERTEY AND CRIME. THAT IS WHY I AM LOOKING TO START A FAMILY IN A AREA WHERE THIS DOES NOT HAVE IT. THAT IS CONCITERED TO ME AS NORTH WEST US.
IN MY OPINION, THEY HAVE IT ALL IN CALIFORNIA, AND MORE THAT OTHERS DUE. KEEP IT CLOSE TO YOUR HOME.
Marie Lewis wrote:
I noticed your employment adds are showing up on Latino sites along the borders ...Words of advice DON'T START IT!!!!
DO THE MATH ...THEY ARE LIKE ARMY ANT'S THEY DESTROY EVERYTHING IN THEIR PATH AND THEN MOVE TO THE NEXT COUNTRY!!!
Look at all of the countries in South America..Nothing left but filth and raped cities..DO THE MATH!!!!!THEY ARE BREEDING YOU OUT OF EXISTANCE.
Monday, June 26, 2006
U.S. Population Nears 300 Million
"The U.S. population is on target to hit 300 million this fall and it's a good bet the milestone baby _ or immigrant _ will be Hispanic. No one will know for sure because the date and time will be just an estimate. But Latinos _ immigrants and those born in this country _ are driving the population growth. They accounted for almost half the increase last year, more than any other ethnic or racial group. White non-Hispanics, who make up about two-thirds of the population, accounted for less than one-fifth of the increase," the AP reports. "When the population reached 200 million in 1967, there was no accurate tally of U.S. Hispanics. The first effort to count Hispanics came in the 1970 census, and the results were dubious. The Census Bureau counted about 9.6 million Latinos, a little less than 5 percent of the population. The bureau acknowledged that the figure was inflated in the Midwest and South because some people who checked the box saying they were 'Central or South American' thought that designation meant they were from the central or southern United States."
Marie Lewis

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Jun 29, 2006
 
FOLKS PLEASE listen to Josh from California..We in Texas are facing destruction of a State due to this influx of Illegals..
We said it couldn't happen here too!!!!!
Pro-Illegal Aliens Politicians are Either totally Stupid or Totally Corrupt there can be no other Excuse!
Bankrupting American & Killing,,Raping, Robbing many more Americans Citizens each year than were killed or injured in 9/11!
62% of all "undocumented immigrants" in the United States are working for cash and not paying taxes, predominantly illegal aliens, working without a green card;
95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens;
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens;
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens;
75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Albuquerque are illegal aliens;
More than 380,000 "anchor babies" were born in the United States in 2005 were to parents who are illegal aliens; making those 380,000 babies automatically U.S. citizens. 97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayer;
More than 66% of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers;
24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally;
29%(6 30,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually;
More than 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages;
More than 53% of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens;
More than half of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border;
More than 43% of all Food Stamps issued are to illegal aliens;
More than 41% of all unemployment checks issued in the United States are to illegal aliens;
58% of all Welfare payments in the United States are issued to illegal ali ens;
Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties in the United States are illegal aliens;
More than 34% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;
More than 24% of Arizona students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking;
More than 39% of California students in grades 1-12 are illegal aliens;
More than 42% of California students in grades 1-12 are non-English-speaking;
In Los Angeles County, 5.1 million people speak English; 3.9 million speak Spanish;
More than 71% of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by illegal aliens or transport "coyotes";
47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens;
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens;
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66%, 98% are illegal aliens;
Less than 2% of illegal aliens in the United States are picking crops, but 41% are on welfare;
Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration;
The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay)$70 BILLION a year,[Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University];
Lynn

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Jun 29, 2006
 
Good grief. Please, the biggest overpopulation problem here in Oregon at the moment is NOT the Hispanic population. It's the (self-censored) Californians! Please, do us all a favor and move somewhere ELSE.

Honestly, the Hood River area is good. The situation racially has moved toward acceptable behavior in recent years... especially compared to 20 years ago.(And I would hazard a guess it has a lot to do with two main things--- the movement of Hispanic individuals into non-farmwork occupations, and the integration of both families and students.) There are many, many families with one Hispanic and one non-Hispanic parent... and that helps. Pretty hard for a person to learn bigotry when they'd be biased against themself or their family.

It also helps, as a whole, that family tends to be very important in the Hispanic culture... something Americans often misplace in this self-centered, me-first and me-only culture.

The Dalles area is not quite as good... higher percentage of non-Hispanics in the area. I'm told that what has happened/is still happening is very like the previous issues with the Japanese... and generally speaking, at this time, this area is fairly color-blind to those of Asian heritage.

The bigots are pretty much quiet, these days, thank goodness. It's been years since I've heard the derogatory spic or beaner in other then a teasing manner...

I can't say the same for the rest of Oregon... at least in regard to Hispanic populations.

As for the Californians, there are pretty much just two opposing sides. Those that ARE them, and those that hate them and wish they'd go away.
Lynn

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Jun 29, 2006
 
Good grief. Please, the biggest overpopulation problem here in Oregon at the moment is NOT the Hispanic population. It's the (self-censored) Californians! Please, do us all a favor and move somewhere ELSE.

Honestly, the Hood River area is good. The situation racially has moved toward acceptable behavior in recent years... especially compared to 20 years ago.(And I would hazard a guess it has a lot to do with two main things--- the movement of Hispanic individuals into non-farmwork occupations, and the integration of both families and students.) There are many, many families with one Hispanic and one non-Hispanic parent... and that helps. Pretty hard for a person to learn bigotry when they'd be biased against themself or their family.

It also helps, as a whole, that family tends to be very important in the Hispanic culture... something Americans often misplace in this self-centered, me-first and me-only culture.

The Dalles area is not quite as good... higher percentage of non-Hispanics in the area. I'm told that what has happened/is still happening is very like the previous issues with the Japanese... and generally speaking, at this time, this area is fairly color-blind to those of Asian heritage.

The bigots are pretty much quiet, these days, thank goodness. It's been years since I've heard the derogatory spic or beaner in other then a teasing manner...

I can't say the same for the rest of Oregon... at least in regard to Hispanic populations.

As for the Californians, there are pretty much just two opposing sides. Those that ARE them, and those that hate them and wish they'd go away. Yes, we could certainly do without THOSE Emmigrants.
robert

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Jun 29, 2006
 
Yikes! What have I stumbled upon. I was merley looking forimages/info on Portland becuase I am
in the midst of moving there come this September/October. I am from California originally, live in Fort Worth, TX fo a few years than moved to Detroit, MI, and after a few years here, I am deciding on moving to Portland OR. And you know why? Because of my lifestyle. I prefer not to own a car.
Is that a dumb reason to move somewhere where I have no ties or family? Well, I wasn't raised by my true family unfortunatley I was separated by my mother at 5, raised in 2 seperate foster homes by hispanics; and , Im not hispanic, Im a european mutt! You know what I learned: I speak two languages, absorbed another culture, and from my experience I've seen nothing but stereotypes. Thats all it is! Beacuse there are plenty of white, black, and mexican trouble makers!
And, everyone in between. SO, don't put it on the mexicans.
I find it very Ironic that after the Native Americans were taken for, now the americans are getting taken for. Karma Baby! Thats just the way it goes; it takes time, years, even centuries,
but this country can be taken for again. And, Im not taking any sides, but a look at the big picture.
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Jun 30, 2006
 
Lynn, thanks for the “Gorge update.” And aren’t these posts tricky? You post it – it ‘appears’– you look for it again - it doesn’t show up, you try posting again - and there it is – twice! And, you apparently have no way to delete it..?--- Anyway, I know the feeling regarding Californian's (the gold’s gone, so here they come)... at least they speak our language, and can usually pronounce Orygun. But sometimes they speak it too well, are overqualified for the jobs we compete with them for, and come up here with pockets full of money from selling their homes to a budging population that's driven the prices sky high down there. As of late, our prices have begun to shock them too. I think Marie had mentioned water problems being a limiting factor where she's located; you wouldn't think 'water' would be a problem here in Oregon, but the communities around me are basically limited to expansion due to lack of water. Guess you've got the Columbia ... if not Hanford’s seepage.

The race relations there up / over there sound like what I've noticed west of Portland. After the 60's we're all extra sensitive to such things, but I wonder if we haven't become so sensitive, so we ignore the negative effects of one culture overrunning another. I've been to Mexico, and I'm following their elections - and hoping for the best for them. I've nothing against Mexico or Mexicans, or any other Central American countries, it's just that's not what we are, and personally, not what I want to become. I know we need to pressure their leaders, and tweak our relations with them politically to help create better conditions for them; but to become a relief valve for their failed government or culture in not our responsibility. We allow a tremendous number of legal immigrants into our nation every year, perhaps too many (how full do we want to get?), is it fair to those waiting in line around the world to simply open our boarder with Latin American do to its proximity?

The way I see it, we may have dodged the jobs the illegal’s have been doing the last 20 or so years, but as our days of easy-money from extraction based industries end, and we compete more and more with the rest of the world - we're gonna need those jobs for ourselves. Sure, it may cost a few more cents per jar of strawberry jam, or not - if we let our kids back into the fields to pick the berries - but that money will be staying at home, and help pay for the necessities of life we Americans have long taken for granted. It's too bad 'television and movies' portray us as so well off, actually, we're not. We're quickly headed for the days more like our Grand, and Great-grandparents, whether we see it coming or not. I think I see it coming...
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Jun 30, 2006
 
Lynn --- Off on a tangent --- sorry

"As for the Californians, there are pretty much two opposing sides. Those that ARE them, and those that hate them and wish they'd go away." ~~ It's a tough battle to watch, as the well educated use the Hispanics for their domestic dirty work, they also ignore the problem -- heck, they aren’t competing with management positions, or jobs requiring a degree... Basically, the same the "Republican" upper echelon that own the business that exploit them keep quiet over this issue / problem and aren’t very happy their Party brought it up in the US House... That leaves the 'Working class' of both parties (or no party) to compete directly with desperate workers willing to live and work for far less than even our poorest have grown accustomed to. With the least educated among us feeling the most pressure, there's bound to be some ugly confrontations -- if not just name-calling. They don't know their options, so show their frustration in a crude way. Wishing they'd go away doesn’t work, and neither does name-calling... That's why I'm with the US House Bill, and all for pressuring our Senators to GET WITH THE SOLUTION -- and stop being part of the problem!

Actually, both our US Senators (Ron Wyden (D) & Gordon Smith (R), are perfect examples of the problem. Smith owns a frozen pea processing plant in central Oregon that exploits as cheep of labor as he can find, and if he can keep the competition high between locals & illegal’s - he will. Wyden is a knee-jerk Liberal (sorry Ron) from Portland; he still thinks we should welcome anyone desperate into the US, and they will choose the Democratic Party because 'we're' the ones that let them in!--- keeping his eyes closed tight with regard to what the "Cuban American" voting block has turned in to in Florida (a macho culture ripe for right-wing manipulation of anti-gay, anti-women, anti-birth control...) So, we have two prime Do-noting Senators --- prolonging this problem by refusing to negotiate a lasting solution with the US House Bill. While those (citizens) at the bottom scream bloody, and our shrinking middle-class becomes extremely nervous. Guess it will never endanger the Millionaires Club that is the US Senate --- at worst -- they'll have to learn Spanish!
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Jun 30, 2006
 
Robert: "Yikes! What have I stumbled upon"? So you're moving to Portland to join its ever-growing crowd of eclectic inhabitants? Gonna rent a room off Hawthorn (within the Peoples Republic of Hawthorn)? That's cool, I occasionally walk it, and the neighborhood with my sister when I’m in town. Talk about high home prices! I generally encourage those like you to move to 'My Hometown.' I like it a lot more as an eclectic village than I did the whitebread Republican enclave it was during the 60's & 70's when I was a kid (in SE).

Problem: blurring race and culture - with legal and illegal. That's been the 'Progressive's Dance' regarding this problem; they refuse to acknowledge it as a 'problem'(I dodge the market-speak term of 'issue' in place of the correct word:'problem'). They want to think they're being race neutral and welcoming to all ... while secretly hoping they'll continue to afford the education it takes to remain just ahead of the illegal immigrant invasion; thus avoiding our diminishing standard of living. They think they're being Politically Correct! And as a Democrat PCP that's continually accused of supporting just that - and as much as I've come to dislike the term - I'm afraid it applies...

I've traveled deep into Mexico, by vehicle, not cruising into a sanitized tourist port. The Mexican people were desperate, but friendly; though obviously lacking in the education or political infrastructure that would allow them to achieve our successes. No big surprise, most of humanity is far closer to their standard of living than ours. And hey, I'm glad you understood what I was wrote about the overtaking of one culture by another -- but I don't think “Karma's” the reason for this one. It's that we've been too racially sensitive to look this invasion straight in the eye, and too fat & happy to care ... until its starts to eat into our way of life. I don't know that any overrun population instantly gave up, not even the 'Native Americans.' And, we shouldn't either. The weird thing about this invasion is that it's not quite 'organized.' It's not as if we're being overrun by an opposing army, just opportunistic peasants seeking the path of least resistance. What 'should' they be doing - if they were as honorable as described? Taking back their country! Demanding the same rights fought so hard for by our ancestors. In short, get their house in order - not invade ours.

We apparently can't stop the Californians, but at least they speak our language; but let’s draw the line with them.
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Jun 30, 2006
 
And Soon You Will Have Mexican Police doing the same thing..
If people are comming here for better ..Why Are they voting in the same corruption as they had in MEXICO???

Central Texas woman run off road, raped (Illegal Aliens)
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GROESBECK, Texas — A Central Texas woman was recuperating at a Temple hospital after she reported being run off a rural road, kidnapped and then raped and beaten by her abductors, authorities said.

The 18-year-old woman was in stable condition Thursday following surgery. She had walked and crawled a half-mile to find help after her abductors left her for dead along a highway early Wednesday morning, authorities said.

"She spent more than two hours in hell," Limestone County Sheriff Dennis Wilson said.

Wilson said Javier Guzman Martinez, 17, and Noel Darwin Hernandez, 22, both of Mexia, had been arrested for the crime and were charged Thursday with aggravated assault and aggravated kidnapping.

The suspects began following the woman late Tuesday night as she left Mexia, about 40 miles east of Waco, where she was visiting friends, authorities said. The suspects did not know the woman.

The woman told investigators she was driving at about 2:30 a.m. Wednesday on a state highway toward her home in a Limestone County town when a car rammed her sport utility vehicle and forced her off the road, Wilson said.

The woman told investigators that the men forced her into their car, and then drove around rural county roads while they sexually assaulted, stabbed and beat her, Wilson said.

The woman said the men left her about a mile south of Coolidge in a ditch, where she pretended to be dead until they left, Wilson said. She then found help at a nearby trailer.

Dena Lincoln said the woman, covered in blood, came to her trailer door at about 4:30 a.m.

"I will never, as long as I live, get that look that was on her face out of my mind," Lincoln said. "She kept saying,'I'm going to die. I'm going to die.' I told her,'No, honey, you are going to be all right. We are going to get you some help.'"

The woman was flown by helicopter to a Temple hospital with numerous cuts and stab wounds, including an injury that endangered one eye, Wilson said.

Wilson said investigators canvassed the area on Wednesday with the description of the suspects given by the women.

Officers found Martinez at his Mexia residence. Wilson said he confessed to the incident and told officers of Hernandez's involvement. U.S. Marshall's tracked Hernandez to a Waco bus station, where he was arrested Wednesday night.

Martinez was being held in the Limestone County Jail while Hernandez was to be transferred to Limestone County from McLennan County, officials said. Wilson said both men are apparently in the United States illegally and will be held without bond on immigration charges. Hernandez is from Honduras, and Martinez is from Mexico, Wilson said.
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Jun 30, 2006
 
Pretty gruesome Marie, but unfortunately all too common... They take women from shopping center parking lots 'up here,' and dump them at Hagg Lake. This wonderful Latino Culture we're all supposed to embrace is full of such behavior toward women. The Macho Camachos get to sow their wild oats while the females are to remain pure white virgins, like Mary... But once she's been 'soiled,' she's dirt, and equally treated to the same twisted disrespect they show toward animals. Anyone promoting a blending of our culture with theirs should take a little road trip into Tijuana ... any taker's...? I didn't think so; when the liberal elite 'up here' consider assimilating with the culture of Latin America, they're vision is clouded by their rose colored glasses... And the right-wing elite? Just the thought is another reason they'd go out and buy a few more guns -- preferably automatics!

There, of course, has always been crime; but there's a brutality associated with theirs, a callousness, a lack of humanity that is so quickly ignored by those who feel they're insulated from such an attack. Their gangs are vicious and sadistic, and most of them have their citizenship status. Yep, we've been so beat over the head with the ugly-stick of racism that we no longer have the will or ability to guard ourselves from this invasion. Contact your Political Representative and tell you you've enough!
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Jul 3, 2006
 
THE PAUL REVERE RIDERS SEE WHAT IMMIGRATION DOES TO CITIES..
IT TURNS THEM INTO "MEXICO" They claim they want a better life yet they can't wait to vote in all MEXICANS AND ALL OF THE CORRUPTION they claim to flee from.


CALIFORNIA, ARIZONA, NEW MEXICO

A dozen motorcycle cops, 30 bicycle officers and six police cruisers with flashing blue and red lights--led the Paul Revere Riders through Los Angeles streets last weekend. Each time we arrived at an intersection, motorcycle cops sped up to wave off traffic. Our large banner “Stop Illegal Immigration: Ask US How” reported our message to the crowds. It felt like being in a Clint Eastwood movie about protecting the president of the United States.

Along the route, Americans waved Old Glory while illegal aliens flipped us the finger as they cursed us and waved signs saying really nasty things about us and America. We rode down the guts of a city that houses three million illegals mostly from Mexico. Spanish dominates store fronts and English may as well be a foreign language in Los Angeles. Sadly, Los Angeles is no longer an American city. It’s lost 86 hospitals and ER wards in the past five years from tens of thousands of illegals not paying for health care, but allowed to force themselves on our medical systems by the Federal Government. Our Congress won’t do its job to stop illegals from crossing our borders, but it forces us to pay for illegals’ medical and schooling of their children. Our citizens flee drugs, gangs, failing schools, gridlock traffic and a growing, intense dislike for Americans from legal and illegal immigrants in the LA area and elsewhere.

We rode with Black activist Ted Hayes, Marvin Stuart, Ray Guerroro and other leaders working against the invasion devastating their black and American Hispanic neighborhoods. At the City Hall steps, the long line of Harley Davidson motorcycles lined up in a show of American defiance. Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen, talked along with a dozen others. In the city where, weeks before, 500,000 illegal aliens marched to demand their rights for their illegality and against the rule of law, a total of 175 people attended the Saturday Paul Revere Rally. I stood there with Ted, Marvin, Ray, Jim and others—and wondered what is it going to take to get Americans to stand up for their country? New York Mike said,“There are two parties running this country…one is evil and the other is stupid.” It’s possible that American apathy spawned this invasion.

We finished the rally and headed onto the freeway. LA traffic, seven lanes full, defies one’s imagination. On Saturdays, it’s thicker than hair on a sheep dog and just as snarled. We passed three accidents in the north bound lanes with 10 mile backups. Toxic air fills the skies while traffic runs bumper to bumper on an endless merry go round of insanity. Why anyone remains in that “new” Mexican city run by a Mexican mayor mystifies a sane man. As more Americans leave, given enough time, no one will be left to keep up city services, infrastructure and other maintenance. LA has become much like Mexico City with ghettoes, poor enclaves, schools utterly useless and a sense of futility. With its “18th Street Gang” owning many sections, police don’t even try to maintain law. So many illegals drive cars with no insurance and no licenses that crime has become normal. Of course, the LA Times won’t address it, but Americans fleeing southern California betrays their ‘silent-assertion’.

In San Diego, a hundred patriotic Americans stood with signs, horns and colors as they supported the Paul Revere Riders. Susie Hawkes and her supporters and their passion for America shined in their eyes. Again, in the state where three million illegals created a $38 billion debt, failed educational nightmare for California children, and more drug crime than can be imagined—the apathy astounded us. To those brave souls who attended the rally, we toast them.
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