Bridge's ruins will be torn down

Full story: GoErie.com

Girard Township supervisors have selected a Conneaut, Ohio, company to demolish the ruins of the Gudgeonville covered bridge, which was heavily damaged by arson in November.

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Cynniman

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#21
Jan 25, 2009
 
Bridge plans wrote:
Ryan Bartosek of Franklin Township, PA here. Gudge Life Productions is my company and I'm head of the Gudgeonville Bridge Benefit, i.e. Rock The Bridge. Sandra, one of the Girard Township supervisors is on our board and here's what I can tell you about the future of the actual bridge site:
PennDOT is paying for the new bridge to be reconstructed and it *WILL* be a wooden/covered brige. The main supports will be steel and concrete and it will be wide enough (possibly 2 lanes) so snow plows and emergency vehicles can get through. It will be built out of modern flame retardant wood, that also allows spray paint to be cleaned off easily.
Furthermore, the replica/walkway the Township is building that our benefit is supporting has several proposed locations, the main one being Community Park in Lake City, PA.
if you want more info or info about our benefit check out our myspace page or email me ryan_bartosek@yahoo.com
I believe that would not be considered a normal covered bridge but a fake if they are making adjustments like the concrete prefab beams , probably made in Fairview/Erie at Top Rock or New Enterprise on Manchester Rd.
Adjustments being made will be necessary for PennDot to be involved and paying the bill.
I'd like to hear what our bridgewright thinks about this.
Good luck with the benefit and I will be in touch to contribute.
Bridgewright

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Jan 27, 2009
 
Cynniman - I have mixed feelings really, but not about whether a deck bridge with a cover over it is a “Covered Bridge” both technically and in fact, no it would not be – The roof is not the category, the whole superstructure is.

To put into as plain an anology as possible, a “covered bridge” is closest in example to an iron through truss, those green bridges so common to your childhood, but which are themselves quickly disappearing, both types share all the same systems – Two trusses, which carry the floor and its traffic. Ties above, which maintain the distance between the trusses, upper lateral bracing, to deal with both wind loads and the rolling forces imparted by traffic, and another set of lateral bracing below the floor to do the same. The only real difference between the two being that the iron truss gets a coat of green paint to deal with the weather, the wooden trusses get a row of rafters, and some roofing and siding.

The trusses are not there to hold up the roof, they are there to hold up the roadway. If they are not holding up the roadway, what are they ? A decoration, and little more than a needless maintenance issue ?

Wooden bridges can carry two lanes and heavy loads, plenty were engineered and built to carry railroad traffic as a for instance.

I’m mixed both because, I now see some support rising for the bridge, and I’m glad of it…

But, it also appears the old Gudgeonville superstructure will be demo’ed today, with little or no effort to take field measurements or record much or anything about it.

http://yourerie.com/content/fulltext/...

And in the two plus months that have lapsed, a new bridge, slightly wider and taller to accommodate current needs could have been cut and ready to swing back onto the existing abutments, with those same two cranes.

I know things don’t tend to work that way, that some time taken is necessary to discuss what are real needs and what are not, two lanes and the straightening of the road (something I, not being local, am not qualified to speak to) balanced against the need to get a bridge back in place as quickly as possible.

I do know, that spot is so breathtakingly beautiful, it deserves a bridge to match.

Best with it – Bridgewright-at-aol-dot-com
lou schwartz

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Jan 27, 2009
 
that bridge was obsolete, do you still carry buggy whips too ?
Bridgewright

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Jan 27, 2009
 
There is nothing obsolete about Covered Bridges, the misconception that they are, lies solely in that they were typically built to accommodate traffic of the size needed at the time of their construction -

This doesn't mean they cannot be built to handle current need

This one near you, was built to handle creamery tanker trucks, yet built to greatly resemble the burned bridge it replaced, sits on its original piers.

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/illinois_covere...

No buggy whip, I'd be too tempted to use it.
lou schwartz

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Jan 27, 2009
 
Bridgewright wrote:
There is nothing obsolete about Covered Bridges, the misconception that they are, lies solely in that they were typically built to accommodate traffic of the size needed at the time of their construction -
This doesn't mean they cannot be built to handle current need
This one near you, was built to handle creamery tanker trucks, yet built to greatly resemble the burned bridge it replaced, sits on its original piers.
http://www.galenfrysinger.com/illinois_covere...
No buggy whip, I'd be too tempted to use it.
just because you have managed to figure out an angle to make a living off peoples emotions and promoting out moded bridges doesn't make it right. Now that vermont has gone obama you can't sell the country charm and preacher BS anymore either. and the acid rain makes your maple syrup bitter too. Move on up to quebec where you belong.
Bridgewright

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Jan 27, 2009
 
Lou -

Your narrow mind and personal biases aside, let alone your geographic confusion, has nothing to do with demonstrable reality.

CB's can and do carry modern traffic, and have a service life which far exceeds that of other bridge types.

Provided regular but minimal maintenance, the cost per service year is also far cheaper than other types.

The evidence for this is well documented and irrefutable.

Supposition, misconception and conjecture are not ammunition for argument, it is only part of the mythology that an old technology, has been or always will be superseded by something newer and better. That is never necessarily so, and in this case it is pure twaddle.

This is an argument which was lost before you began it.

“Enjoying the sunshine ”

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Jan 28, 2009
 
Bridgewright wrote:
Cynniman - I have mixed feelings really, but not about whether a deck bridge with a cover over it is a “Covered Bridge” both technically and in fact, no it would not be – The roof is not the category, the whole superstructure is.
To put into as plain an anology as possible, a “covered bridge” is closest in example to an iron through truss, those green bridges so common to your childhood, but which are themselves quickly disappearing, both types share all the same systems – Two trusses, which carry the floor and its traffic. Ties above, which maintain the distance between the trusses, upper lateral bracing, to deal with both wind loads and the rolling forces imparted by traffic, and another set of lateral bracing below the floor to do the same. The only real difference between the two being that the iron truss gets a coat of green paint to deal with the weather, the wooden trusses get a row of rafters, and some roofing and siding.
The trusses are not there to hold up the roof, they are there to hold up the roadway. If they are not holding up the roadway, what are they ? A decoration, and little more than a needless maintenance issue ?
Wooden bridges can carry two lanes and heavy loads, plenty were engineered and built to carry railroad traffic as a for instance.
I’m mixed both because, I now see some support rising for the bridge, and I’m glad of it…
But, it also appears the old Gudgeonville superstructure will be demo’ed today, with little or no effort to take field measurements or record much or anything about it.
http://yourerie.com/content/fulltext/...
And in the two plus months that have lapsed, a new bridge, slightly wider and taller to accommodate current needs could have been cut and ready to swing back onto the existing abutments, with those same two cranes.
I know things don’t tend to work that way, that some time taken is necessary to discuss what are real needs and what are not, two lanes and the straightening of the road (something I, not being local, am not qualified to speak to) balanced against the need to get a bridge back in place as quickly as possible.
I do know, that spot is so breathtakingly beautiful, it deserves a bridge to match.
Best with it – Bridgewright-at-aol-dot-com
It truly is an art making the covered bridges and the loss of this one will be felt. The new fangled ideas of concrete & steel with what... a covered bridge top attached? Silly, anyone that has studied the covered bridges knows the covered part stablizes the whole structure and pulls it together in such a way that makes it stable for years to come. I am not sure who thought of this new plan or even if it is actually a plan that will come about.. could be once they get the steel and concrete in place they decide THATS GOOD enough and ditch any further plans of making it covered as why do we really need a cover on the concrete bridge and what will they attach it to?
I would like to see who dreamed up this plan and what it will look like.
=)
cindy

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Jan 31, 2009
 
BurnThem wrote:
I know the Gleason kid. Nothing but a punk ass kid. Lets burn you alive "just for fun".
I agree with you 100 percent. I've had the honor of working with his wife, she isn't any better for sticking up for him with a false alibi!

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