Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4340 Apr 18, 2012
Gorky wrote:
Some parts of the earth are warmer and other parts are colder at the same time. It is the average of the cold and warm over the whole Earth that tells us our planet is cooling or in this case, warming. To get the average you add all the different temperatures together from all over the earth, and then you divide the total by the number of temperature readings from all over the world. Average = total of all readings / number of readings.
No, there are always fools who will not understand words like, "climate", "weather", "global", local, average, etc., the world will never be without its fools, who, by the way, don't get to be scientists, Sailor. But then you don't have to be a scientist to know how these terms interact. You probably do, however, need an IQ of around 80-85 or more to understand. Keep trying, and don't give up!
Is that how average's are figured out, did you just learn that, I learned that back in grade school, and it has not changed. Too bad Climate Gate missed that lesson plan.

Yes there are always fool, and calling those who disagree makes you that fool, Why when your type run's out of talking points you resort to the standard liberal line of attacking someone..

If manmade global warming was so 100% correct, it would of been resolved already, But when the global alarmists group cannot prove their goal by the data they have, there is a problem...

Last time i remember you saying you are not a scientist's, just a follower of the Al Gore model, let me waste resources and complain about others, so stop being the Big H you are and your IQ is no higher than Lea the homeless lady in town..cause if your IQ was anywhere near normal you would understand that Topix has no measurable amount of problem solving ability, But you keep posting here showing us all how intelligent you are...
Doofus

United States

#4341 Apr 18, 2012
Mike wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting that you'll cite "scientific" evidence of slight gains in the world's SECOND largest ice fields while you deny the devastation of the world FIRST largest ones!
Do you realize how ridiculous this sounds?
As ridiculous as you sound each day!?
Typical alarmist

United States

#4342 Apr 20, 2012
This sounds like Kenneth Nicholson or Mikey to the tee:
http://www.infowars.com/climate-alarmist-call...

If you can't debate the issue, make threats and cause pain and suffering

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4343 Apr 23, 2012
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/... .

British environmental guru James Lovelock, seen on March 17, 2009 in Paris, admits he was "alarmist" about climate change in the past.
By Ian Johnston, msnbc.com

James Lovelock, the maverick scientist who became a guru to the environmental movement with his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism, has admitted to being “alarmist” about climate change and says other environmental commentators, such as Al Gore, were too.

Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared.

He previously painted some of the direst visions of the effects of climate change. In 2006, in an article in the U.K.’s Independent newspaper, he wrote that “before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.”

However, the professor admitted in a telephone interview with msnbc.com that he now thinks he had been “extrapolating too far."

The new book, due to be published next year, will be the third in a trilogy, following his earlier works,“Revenge of Gaia: Why the Earth Is Fighting Back – and How We Can Still Save Humanity,” and “The Vanishing Face of Gaia: A Final Warning: Enjoy It While You Can.”

The new book will discuss how humanity can change the way it acts in order to help regulate the Earth’s natural systems, performing a role similar to the harmonious one played by plants when they absorb carbon dioxide and produce oxygen.

Climate's 'usual tricks'
It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected.

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.

In 2007, Time magazine named Lovelock as one of 13 leaders and visionaries in an article on “Heroes of the Environment,” which also included Gore, Mikhail Gorbachev and Robert Redford.

“Jim Lovelock has no university, no research institute, no students. His almost unparalleled influence in environmental science is based instead on a particular way of seeing things,” Oliver Morton, of the journal Nature wrote in Time.“Humble, stubborn, charming, visionary, proud and generous, his ideas about Gaia have started a change in the conception of biology that may serve as a vital complement to the revolution that brought us the structures of DNA and proteins and the genetic code.”

Lovelock also won the U.K.’s Geological Society’s Wollaston Medal in 2006. In a posting on its website, the society said it was “rare to be able to say that the recipient has opened up a whole new field of Earth science study”– referring to the Gaia theory of the planet as single complex system.

However Lovelock, who works alone at his home in Devon, England, has fallen out with the green movement in the past, particularly after saying countries should build nuclear power stations to help reduce the greenhouse gas emissions caused by coal and oil.

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4344 Apr 23, 2012
'Perfect recipe' for wildfires as season starts early

Asked if he was now a climate skeptic, Lovelock told msnbc.com :“It depends what you mean by a skeptic. I’m not a denier.”

He said human-caused carbon dioxide emissions were driving an increase in the global temperature, but added that the effect of the oceans was not well enough understood and could have a key role.

“It (the sea) could make all the difference between a hot age and an ice age,” he said.

He said he still thought that climate change was happening, but that its effects would be felt farther in the future than he previously thought.

“We will have global warming, but it’s been deferred a bit,” Lovelock said.

'I made a mistake'
As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.

Lovelock -- who has previously worked with NASA and discovered the presence of harmful chemicals (CFCs) in the atmosphere but not their effect on the ozone layer -- stressed that humanity should still “do our best to cut back on fossil fuel burning” and try to adapt to the coming changes.

Peter Stott, head of climate monitoring and attribution at the U.K.’s respected Met Office Hadley Centre, agreed Lovelock had been too alarmist with claims about people having to live in the Arctic by 2100.

And he also agreed with Lovelock that the rate of warming in recent years had been less than expected by the climate models.

However, Stott said this was a short-term trend that could be within the natural range of variation and it would need to continue for another 10 years or so before it could be considered evidence that something was missing from climate models.

US sees warmest March, and first quarter, on record

Stott said temperature records and other observations were “broadly speaking continuing to pan out” with what was expected.

He said there did need to be greater understanding of the effect of the oceans on the climate and added that air particles caused by pollution – which cool the Earth by reflecting the sun’s heat -- from rapidly developing countries like China could be having an effect.

On Lovelock, Stott said he had “a lot of respect” for him, saying “he’s had a lot of good ideas and interesting thoughts.”

“I like the fact he’s provocative and provokes people to think about these things,” Stott said.

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4345 Apr 23, 2012
Keya Chatterjee, international climate policy director of environmental campaign group WWF-US, said in a statement that it was "hard not to get overwhelmed and be defeatist" about the challenges facing the planet, but suggested alarmist talk did not help persuade people to act to reduce climate change.

"While the problem is becoming increasingly urgent, we’ve found that focusing on the most dire predictions does not resonate with the public, governments, or business. People tend to shut off when a problem does not seem solvable," she said.

"And that’s not the case with climate change because we can still avoid its worst impacts. We know that we already have all of the technologies needed to slow climate change down. We only lack the political will to go up against vested interests," she added.

States where green jobs are going gangbusters

According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the leading body on the subject, the world’s average temperature has risen by about 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit since 1900. By 2100, it predicts it will rise by another 2 to 11.5 degrees, depending upon the levels of greenhouse gases emitted.

Asked to give its latest position on climate change, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said in a statement that observations collected by satellites, sensors on land, in the air and seas “continue to show that the average global surface temperature is rising.”

The statement said “the impacts of a changing climate” were already being felt around the globe, with “more frequent extreme weather events of certain types (heat waves, heavy rain events); changes in precipitation patterns … longer growing seasons; shifts in the ranges of plant and animal species; sea level rise; and decreases in snow, glacier and Arctic sea ice coverage.”

NOAA reports its data in monthly U.S. and global climate reports and annual State of the Climate reports.

Its annual climate summary for 2011 said that the combined land and ocean surface temperature for the world was 0.92 degrees above the 20th century average of 57.0 degrees, making it the 35th consecutive year since 1976 that the yearly global temperature was above average.

“All 11 years of the 21st century so far (2001-2011) rank among the 13 warmest in the 132-year period of record. Only one year during the 20th century, 1998, was warmer than 2011,” it said.

In the interview, Lovelock said he would not take back a word of his seminal work “Gaia: A New Look at Life on Earth,” published in 1979.

But of “Revenge of Gaia,” published in 2006, he said he had gone too far in describing what the warming Earth would see over the next century.

“I would be a little more cautious -- but then that would have spoilt the book,” he quipped.

Gee, are the scientists coming out of the wood work to announce they are wrong, and might have stretched the truth and data...
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#4346 Apr 24, 2012
Thank you for citing James Lovelock. He is a cautious and reputable scientist, who recognizes the existence of anthropogenic global warming. He is saying what the majority of climate scientists are saying.

His statement, by itself, does not indicate the actual danger. But the findings of all climate scientists together do.

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4347 Apr 24, 2012
Gorky wrote:
Thank you for citing James Lovelock. He is a cautious and reputable scientist, who recognizes the existence of anthropogenic global warming. He is saying what the majority of climate scientists are saying.
His statement, by itself, does not indicate the actual danger. But the findings of all climate scientists together do.
He was not cautious when he was younger, and now he admits global warming has slowed down, yet you still praise him and his admittance that maybe i was too much of a "Chicken little", You liberals are funny, You can find a silver lining in anything that does not show you are telling the truth..

Yep you are so right, he is saying it now because he is 92, and his days are numbered, i lied and the other scientist know it, and they will not come out... that is what i read and keep hearing...Soon we will see more reports that man's has slowed global warming by taking quick and decisive action's such as killing the light bulb from America shores, and turning down out thermostats, etc..

So Clinton was caught lying, and he created what positive out of that, oh yea, he defined what sex relations were and were not...

How will you spin that Social Security will run dry in 2033, instead of 2035, 2036, 2046, 2048, etc...every new announcement lower the year that Social Security will run dry...
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#4348 Apr 25, 2012
By 2033 I will have paid into social security for 77 years. That is my personal contribution to my and your retirement. I hope that helps.

Don't you worry, though, liberals will have fixed it in time for you to enjoy your retirement a bit longer. I hope you made other arrangements for your retirement, however, because conservatives are doing their best to bring social security to an end, along with Medicare, education, and unions. Wish us luck!

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4349 Apr 25, 2012
Gorky wrote:
By 2033 I will have paid into social security for 77 years. That is my personal contribution to my and your retirement. I hope that helps.
Don't you worry, though, liberals will have fixed it in time for you to enjoy your retirement a bit longer. I hope you made other arrangements for your retirement, however, because conservatives are doing their best to bring social security to an end, along with Medicare, education, and unions. Wish us luck!
Funny, i heard that same talking point on the weekend news channels, so yes you repeat the party one liners...

Too bad it was democrats in control who have robbed social security by making all of the changes that have ruined it...

Unions & Education Adminstrators are there own worse enemy, no one else...When a labor council board syas you can not move your comapany from a union state to a non union state, there is a major problem in America...If it was my company, i wopuld shut the doors and go on vacation and let the union's rethink their need to work in my company...After all we are a free society...

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4350 Apr 25, 2012
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
Global Warming Alarmist Steve Zwick's 'Science' Is More Troubling Than His Vitriol
Scientists and public policy analysts were justifiably appalled by Steve Zwick writing in his Forbes.com column last week that firemen should let houses burn down if they are owned or occupied by global warming “denialists.”
Lost in Zwick’s over-the-top rhetoric, however, has been his even more troubling assertion of what constitutes sound science.
Before we get to the science, however, let’s clarify one point about the rhetoric.
For all the crying by global warming alarmists about the lack of civility in the global warming debate, almost all of the over-the-top vitriol among spokespersons for each point of view emanates from the alarmist crowd. Zwick’s call for skeptics’ houses to burn down is actually mild compared to other prominent alarmists calling for the murder, imprisonment, and execution of skeptics. These violent and hateful statements are made by alarmists on a fairly regular basis, yet the predominantly left-leaning media ignores it. By contrast, when serial name-caller Michael Mann cries “woe is me” because people actually follow the Scientific Method and criticize his methods or theories, the media goes on a tear-jerking bender of stories about scientists being under attack. Oh, please…..
Now, on to Zwick’s science.
When you dig beneath the vitriolic rhetoric of Zwick’s column, he makes the following scientific argument:“A recent poll by Yale and George Mason Universities shows that most Americans are at or near that point on climate change, with 72% of us seeing a link between extreme weather and our own actions. It’s a link that climate models have long predicted, and with the benefit of hindsight we see that even the earliest models have proven accurate over time.”
Let’s take a closer look at the survey Zwick cites.
The Yale Project on Climate Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication have released a joint survey about Americans’ impressions of recent extreme weather events. Much like the phenomenon where millions of people claim and apparently believe they were actually at the 1969 Woodstock music festival, a ridiculously high percentage of people claim in the Yale/George Mason survey to have personally experienced severe weather events like hurricanes and tornadoes during the past year.
Twenty-one percent of survey respondents say they personally experienced a tornado last year. This is astonishing. Unless the survey was conducted almost exclusively in Joplin, Missouri, or Tuscaloosa, Alabama, I am guessing the Woodstock effect is occurring here.

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4351 Apr 25, 2012
Even more remarkably, 16 percent say they personally experienced a hurricane last year. Not a single hurricane struck the United States last year. Tropical Storm Irene, often mislabeled as a hurricane, came the closest, with 70 mph winds striking small portions of the minimally populated North Carolina Outer Banks. So how did 16 percent of Americans personally experience a hurricane last year? Perhaps they were all together on a cruise ship off the Mexican coast in October when Hurricane Rina spun around in the Caribbean Sea for a few days.
While the Yale/George Mason survey showed people are prone to altered memories and imagining they have experienced mythical extreme weather events, this hasn’t stopped global warming alarmists like Zwick from waving the survey as “proof” of an asserted global warming crisis. Indeed, it is entirely fitting that alarmists like Zwick are using people’s imaginations about mythical extreme weather events to justify their call for emergency action to fight a fictitious global warming crisis.
So here we have an all-too-clear glimpse into the alarmist playbook: Create climate models that predict catastrophes. Objective data show catastrophes are not materializing. Call an audible by asking people if they believe they have experienced a catastrophe. Take the patently ridiculous subjective survey results to claim the catastrophes actually did occur. Assert these reconstructed memories as proof that your models were correct after all. Repeat these steps as necessary.
There you have your global warming crisis. Foolow the $$$ and the truth will be set free...
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#4352 Apr 25, 2012
Land Locked Sailor wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny, i heard that same talking point on the weekend news channels, so yes you repeat the party one liners...
Too bad it was democrats in control who have robbed social security by making all of the changes that have ruined it...
Unions & Education Adminstrators are there own worse enemy, no one else...When a labor council board syas you can not move your comapany from a union state to a non union state, there is a major problem in America...If it was my company, i wopuld shut the doors and go on vacation and let the union's rethink their need to work in my company...After all we are a free society...
Confessions of a pissed off Liberal

It wasn't liberals who weakened the pillars of the Liberal Establishment, but it was certainly the Liberal Establishment that sat quietly by and let the conservative establishment do it for them.

There were five pillars of the liberal establishment, according to Chris Hedges: the press, liberal religious institutions, labor unions, universities and the Democratic Party and each of these institutions, were more concerned with status and privilege than justice and progress.

The Liberal establishment sold out the constituents they represented. In doing so, the liberal class stands to become irrelevant to society at large and ultimately the corporate power elite they once served. I know this makes you sad. It makes me mad as hell.

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4353 Apr 25, 2012
Gorky wrote:
<quoted text>
Confessions of a pissed off Liberal
It wasn't liberals who weakened the pillars of the Liberal Establishment, but it was certainly the Liberal Establishment that sat quietly by and let the conservative establishment do it for them.
There were five pillars of the liberal establishment, according to Chris Hedges: the press, liberal religious institutions, labor unions, universities and the Democratic Party and each of these institutions, were more concerned with status and privilege than justice and progress.
The Liberal establishment sold out the constituents they represented. In doing so, the liberal class stands to become irrelevant to society at large and ultimately the corporate power elite they once served. I know this makes you sad. It makes me mad as hell.
Actually i wish the coporate / Lobby industry in Politics could be eliminated, Obama made great campaign speeches, voters got the fire, and Obama filled his cabinet, advisers with lobbyists and wall street hacks....

We need to reestablish the real ability to sit down and work out solutions for all Americans , not just the rich or the poor..

There are so many areas that are broken, and kicking the can down the road does not make the issue go away.

Congress needs to enforce the constitution, not let every President decide what regulations and laws he will use and not use...

The UN has no creditability, and their scandals have not made them capable of accomplishing their mission.

I do not feel that a worker should be forced to join a union to work, and forced to pay dues to a union that you do not work under, also, a union should not use dues for politicial speech, it shouldbe used for members benefits of disability, lower insurance, funeral benefits, strike assistance, etc...

And i feel the GOP gives up too much when talking reforms.

Now you have a good night and day....
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#4354 Apr 28, 2012
The thing about "unions" is that they are only effective when a majority of the labor force stands tough against the owners (management). Owners work around this by buying "right to work" laws for their particular state, which trumps the "right to assemble" and allows for the factory/company to bring in replacement workers (scabs) and fire the union members. We have a right to work law in New Mexico, which means in reality, the right to work for less law.

Getting union workers to support right to work laws is particularly satisfying for the rich owners of the factory.

Otherwise, Sailor, I agree with most of what you say.

It could be good for working people, management, and the economy, if the right and left would come together and work out a way for both sides to prosper.

“Navy veteran. ”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#4355 Apr 30, 2012
LMMFAO

http://news.discovery.com/earth/hot-wind-farm...

So will Obama put a stop to this? Will he start the EPA on ending this kind of energy plants?

“Our nearest star”

Since: May 09

Alamogordo, NM

#4356 Apr 30, 2012
Yep, so much for "green" energy

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/30/win...
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#4357 Apr 30, 2012
The word "correlation" is not the same as proof. Correlated means only that the events happened at the same time, and not that one caused the other.

“Our nearest star”

Since: May 09

Alamogordo, NM

#4358 Apr 30, 2012
Correlation - mutual relation of two or more things, parts, etc.: Studies find a positive correlation between severity of illness and nutritional status of the patients. Synonyms: similarity, correspondence, matching; parallelism, equivalence; interdependence, interrelationship, interconnection.

Since: Sep 08

Alamogordo, NM

#4359 Apr 30, 2012
Wind Farms are causing global warming, and causing the oceans to evaporate faster...True or False?

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