Garcia arrested for meth ... again

old timer wrote:

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Addiction is not cureable, and i have seen it plenty of times on numerous topix discussion on different addictions.
And i know we all drive the speed limit too.
Addiction is a personal choice, not something from your dna.

Well if addiction is a choice then it is curable, right?

old timer wrote:

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Addiction is not cureable, and i have seen it plenty of times on numerous topix discussion on different addictions.
And i know we all drive the speed limit too.
Addiction is a personal choice, not something from your dna.

Addiction is managable. Addicts can live productive lives without drugs or alcohol.

My Opinion wrote:

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If it's legal then there is no legal reason for rehab or jail. Your comment makes no sense. That's like making theft or any other crime legal.

Apparently you can't think unless it's spelled out for you so here it is.
We legalize regulate and tax cannabis,keeping the hard addictive drugs like meth and heroin illegal. And then we use the tax $$$ generated from cannabis to interdict, rehab and incarcerate those on the hard drugs. No more wasting billions of taxpayer $$$.
If THAT doesn't make sense to you I give up.

Dear God's messenger: I want to reply to you to give you some support. I am working on my thesis and have discovered that the majority of the prisoners where I am doing my research, all have underlying undiagnosed mental health issues. The stories all have the same "ring", with feelings of persecution, loneliness and depression. The older 50'ish population incarcerated like your brother are a product of the 60's-70's when drugs were readily experimented with. During those earlier times, they were able to escape their mental health issue easily and in an accepted form of that day. Unfortunately, those habits die hard. They also have similar family stories; wifes and children lost, extended family in denial and enabling them out of "love", etc. You are right in that the judicial system is overloaded with the crimes of these folks. I think the judicial system is starting to see this and there are some better rehab and use psychotropic drugs is now being utilized far more in these settings. If your brother is committed to a facility for his drug related crimes, he must want to seek out these resources. They are truly available. In any of these situations, his committment to change is essential. That is the difficult part. Diagnosing his mental health issue and dealing with it will also be of upmost importance. I wish you and your family well in this time of trouble.
p.s. Legalizing drugs of any kind is not going to treat a mental health issue. It has the potential to be lethal to these folks.

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Addiction is a medical disease, addicts have families who love them and desperately want to get them help. Prison isn't the answer, rehabilitaion from the drugs is the only answer. The judicial system doesn't help addicts, they send them to prison where they get more drugs. Robert is loved by his family who is dealing with heartache. He is a lost soul right now but with his families love and support he will be saved somehow, someway from this disease that tortures him. So, while all of you see him as worthless, his family sees a person with value and worthy of saving. God will save this lost child.

Do you mean like the government run alcohol program where they license production, sale, and use, and where purity and potency is regulated? And where production and sale is handled by private producers and businesses? Yeah, I think government could handle that.

I appreciate your interest in the subject and I will start you off with two organizations. LEAP or Law Enforcement Against Prohibition at http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php , and NIDA or National Institute on Drug Abuse at http://www.nida.nih.gov/ , and for good measure Drug War Facts, an online book about everything related to drugs at http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/

I am talking about using every resource available to help people who, for whatever reason, use drugs. Prisons should be reserved for those who commit violent acts against people or property, which will include some addicts.

About your last paragraph: some addicts with some drugs, such as heroin, in some cases, cannot shake their addiction. In those cases it is possible and useful to reduce the harm and provide the drug as treatment in a controlled environment so these people can then function in society as useful citizens. Yes, heroin addicts can hold a job if they have a substance with a controlled purity and potency and if they do not have to commit a crime to score the drug.

There is a possibility that all this will go right over your head as you were trying to make this a left/right issue. I hope not, but if so, I will give you the bottom line. Prohibition does not work. It did not work between 1919 and 1933 with alcohol prohibition, and it has not worked with our 80 billion dollar a year "war on drugs" which began in 1969. Illegal drugs have never been easier to buy and have never been so cheap. Ask your children.

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An again you are talking as if our government would be able to run a program efficiently. Are you not one of the people that complains about big business and drug companies ripping us off? I would like to see the links to your information. As I would like to know if it is multiple sources or just a single government source. As we all know both sides of the fence can produce charts and graphs. I would like to see the actual data to form my own opinion.
You do not treat alcoholism by providing alcohol. Same goes for drugs addicts. Now if you want to control drug addicts and do not care about curing them. Then sure provide them with all the drugs they need.

"How can we comprehend the concept of a person who wants to stop doing something and cannot, despite catastrophic consequences? That is what we are up against,"

Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse

Gorky wrote:

"How can we comprehend the concept of a person who wants to stop doing something and cannot, despite catastrophic consequences? That is what we are up against,"
Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse

And it applies equally to the legal, socially acceptable addictive substances.

If nicotine were illegal, and thereby expensive and hard to get, I personally know some people who are willing to go to the same lengths for a smoke that a heroin addict is for fix.

And that's a fact.

Fox had this story about legalization by a judge and federal agent (both retired...both regretful about their part in the failed "War on Drugs"), about how the US wasn't full of addicts BEFORE prohibition of drugs and won't be after; about how we now have 2.3 million people in prison & drugs are more available than ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Go figure wrote:

I agree it's a disease, but since you have to lie, cheat, and steal with a violent streak in you until you want treatment; the rest of us is paying for it one way or another. So if jail isn't the answer - how about an island somewhere you speed until you die or want to get clean and sober. The irony of it all, sobriety is available right here and it's free. And it works.... In the meantime my medicare is going down the tubes.... What a crock

Frankly that is partially why I am for Legalizing EVERYTHING. It boils down to the ones that want it or have addictive personalities, will go off and do it till they die or get clean. We remove a source of revenue for organized crime and withing two to three generations the addictive types will wean themselves out of the population. Whatever gene that cause the destructive behaviour will have been bred out of the populace.

Factually, you are wrong on every point, except for your sarcastic one about how we all drive the speed limit.
Come to the Otero County Health Council on the first Tues of every month at 11:30 at The Counseling Center.
Come to the Substance Abuse Coalition on the second Tues of every month at 11:30 at the Counseling Center.
Come to the Behavioral Health Local Collaborative on the 2nd Wed of each month at 12 noon at The Counseling Center.
You might learn something about our community and some citizens, agencies, & businesses who actually serve our community.
The American Medical Association determined that addiction is a disease in the mid 1950's. Addiction is best treated as we do tobacco addicts: with a good public health education & support system. This is how we should handle all addiction. Prohibition of drugs results in the same violence that prohibition of alcohol resulted in.
Legalize to reduce violence against our citizens.
Legalize to reduce taxpayers' burden; treatment costs less than prison.
It takes an average of 7 attempts to quit smoking. About the same for other addicts. About the same for diabetes and cardiac patients prescribed lifestyle demands.
Relapses are part of the disease, just as remission is with cancer.

AA & NA have many recovering addicts, some for 20-30-40+ years.

old timer wrote:

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Addiction is not cureable, and i have seen it plenty of times on numerous topix discussion on different addictions.
And i know we all drive the speed limit too.
Addiction is a personal choice, not something from your dna.

This is OLD Nrws, Who cares

I care, these are my neighbors!

Well put Doctoral Student. I have put links on here in other posting on the same type issue, however, I don't think many of these people look and learn. They continue to go down the path in darkness.

Addiction is a disease cured by only one thing. An aluminum baseball bat to the skull.

Well I see that Robert "Wayne" Marshall was also arrested so maybe Wayne and Robert can be cellies.
They will keep each other company and Sue can come visit them.

Psyche Daddy wrote:

Well I see that Robert "Wayne" Marshall was also arrested so maybe Wayne and Robert can be cellies.
They will keep each other company and Sue can come visit them.

Psyche Daddy, Do you know these people? Is this a drug ring that needs to be exposed or something? Maybe the guys sister as well as the police would be interested to know that there are people he can turn in. I am a product of the 70's but have grown up and moved on. This guy lives in Alamogordo and I love this town and want it to stay save for my kids.

Boy, when I look around at all those addicted to overeating and tobacco as well as alcohol and other substances, your 'final solution' would kill more than half of all Americans. I guess you don't know or love anyone who is addicted to overeating, tobacco or alcohol?

Bob for Apples wrote:

Addiction is a disease cured by only one thing. An aluminum baseball bat to the skull.

Bystander wrote:

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Psyche Daddy, Do you know these people? Is this a drug ring that needs to be exposed or something? Maybe the guys sister as well as the police would be interested to know that there are people he can turn in. I am a product of the 70's but have grown up and moved on. This guy lives in Alamogordo and I love this town and want it to stay save for my kids.

Most people in this town know these people. They are home grown and been using drugs for a long time. All law enforcement agencies know about them. They are finally getting tired of their actions and have arrested each several times the past few years. The police are coming down on them. All of them.

Psyche Daddy, Are they in a drug ring or just old druggies who never grew up? With all the stuff in Juarez going on, I hate to think that this sort of thing is coming into Alamo. It sounds like this one is going away to prison for awhile. I don't know about his friends. Were they caught at the same time?

old timer wrote:

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Ant we see the results of the young, liberals, independent judgement by electing Obama, soon buyers remorse will be every days news, how much more debt will obama blame on bush, seems that is the only answer we hear from the left, Blame Bush...
treat drug users like abandoned dogs at the pound.

I didn't vote for Obama, I am not a liberal by any means. This thread is not about Obama or liberals, it's about another failed attempt at prohibition that is causing over 1,000 deaths a year in Juarez alone. Not to mention the rest of the cities in Mexico that are strategic drug traffic zones. And let's not forget all the drug pushers, gangs and all that comes with illegal drugs.