Law enforcement opposes Ohio bill on self-defense killings

Full story: Akron Beacon Journal

COLUMBUS: Law enforcement is not lining up behind Gov. Ted Strickland in his support of a bill that would allow a new protection against prosecution for people who kill an attacker in self defense.

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What Law Enforcement???? A prosecuting Attorneys association director! I've been in Law Enforcement for 15 years and have never seen a Prosecutor enforce the Laws. I have seen them help out the defense attorney from time to time. I, and a great others, in Law Enforcement have always been for responsible gun ownership and for the rights of individuals to take care of themselves and their property. I may not agree with the good Govenor on, well anything, but this he's right on.
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I thought the concel law would give you the right to defend yourself,if you can't use it to protect you,your family,and property.
Typical Beacon

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Im also in law enforcement and I dont know any police officer that is against this bill!! I cant even find a prosecutor that's against it. Everyone loves to say that law enforcement is against concealed carry etc... it simply isnt true! These are lobbying organizations using our name without permission to speak for us.
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Law Enforcement officials are complete idiots on this matter. I support Strickland's views.

If an attacker is killed because the person they are attacking is defending themselves, then that is the chance that attacker is going to have to take. I think if more attackers are killed and the word spreads that maybe crime will decrease.

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This bill is right on the money. There should NEVER be a burden of proof to justify self-defense. The burden of proof should lie with the state in proving that it was NOT self defense - beyond a reasonable doubt. For 99% of the 'self defense' claims, that should not be too hard to either prove or disprove.
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Their problem with this bill is that it will open the door for drug dealers to sue each other????...who cares, hopefully at least one of them will be dead...thus no suit.

If they come after me I don't want them to be able to sue me for injuries stemming from the failed attack.

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John Murphy is a dum bass. If they are dealing drugs then clear them under self-defense, convict them of dealing, and send the others to the morgue.
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I'm all for Strickland passing this bill. Why would law enforcement and prosecutors' oppose a law that could make their job easier? Have this law in place before criticising its merits.
It's a no brainer for the law-abiding citizens of Ohio.

NEOH Beemer Rider: Kudos
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On this one, the NRA has got it right. Shooting to kill is the only way to protect your home against invaders. One should not have to worry about lawsuits if you do.

“At least I'm housebroken.”

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"Director John Murphy of the Ohio Prosecuting Attorneys Association says the bill could allow drug dealers to claim self defense in shootings of rivals in deals that went sour."

Isn't this what they say in every state when this kind of legislation is proposed? Of course, it never happens, but why let the facts get in the way of histrionics from a prosecutor. Hell, they can't even properly prosecute the cases they have now, but that doesn't stop them from dreaming up hypothetical situations that don't ever happen.

Strickland needs to sign this legislation.
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I agree, we need this law!

I don't carry, but I may in the future.
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The question is what is the REAL motivation for John Murphy to oppose this bill other than the lame drug dealer argument? Someones pockets are not getting lined but whose?
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Okay wrote:
What Law Enforcement???? A prosecuting Attorneys association director! I've been in Law Enforcement for 15 years and have never seen a Prosecutor enforce the Laws. I have seen them help out the defense attorney from time to time. I, and a great others, in Law Enforcement have always been for responsible gun ownership and for the rights of individuals to take care of themselves and their property. I may not agree with the good Govenor on, well anything, but this he's right on.
Ditto...Tired of the typical anti-gun nonsense in which they try to use us (law enforcement) as their stamp of approval to the public. Not sure who are they talking to, but as a homicide investigator I can tell you (usually by the grin on my face) that I much prefer to see a dead gangbanger laying in front of the clerk that he was trying to rob than see it the other way around. Individuals who lawfully use self-defense should indeed be exempt from prosecution. Moreover, the dirt bag (or his family in the event the dirtbag didn't survive the event) should be billed for any damages. This would strongly encourage families to take care of their problems and launder their own dirty clothes. Finally, to all of you who believe the police are required to provide you with protection. Please review/research the following case/link.

~ Castle Rock v. Gonzales

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._G...
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People should have the right to defend themselves against intruders in their own homes. Why we lost the right to be secure in our own houses I'll never know, but I applaud the lawmakers for finally doing something about it.

The arguement against this is one of the worst I have ever heard. "it's bad because one drug dealer could shoot another drug dealer"... WELL GOOD!!!
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Hey...what's more important. A person
LAWFULLY defending themself or what
some dirt bag uses as a defense . In
the former you have a completely
innocent party.
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If the prosecutors office can't tell a drug dealer from an innocent home owner than we have more problems than I know where to start. I believe there some people who oppose everything just for the sake of opposing it. I am all for self help, you want to come into an innocent person's house and terrorize them, than you get what is coming to you. should have moved faster....
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DUH , THEN MAKE A LAW THAT DOES NOT LET DRUG DEALERS HAVE THE SAME PROTECTION. IF SOMEONE GETS ATTACKED I FEEL THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SHOOT THEIR ATACKER ON THE SPOT.
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amazed wrote:
Their problem with this bill is that it will open the door for drug dealers to sue each other????...who cares, hopefully at least one of them will be dead...thus no suit.
If they come after me I don't want them to be able to sue me for injuries stemming from the failed attack.
don't forget the hoody punk thugs that just refuses to get a job.
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I can not believe that the problem law enforcement has with this bill is that it may or may not cause the DEATH of a drug dealer. As if the drugs don't cause enough death in one form or another. Hey law enforment what about us everyday citizens. Of which there must be close to 360 million and there are only a couple hundred thousdand of you law enforcement people. SELF DEFENSE is SELF DEFENSE reguardless of who does it to who!
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prove the actions were justifiable! otherwise we are killing each other at random moments excusing our actions as being 'self-defense'! what is the gov. saying is ok to do to people - us?

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