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The city's plan for a 20-mile elevated rail transit system worries many architects.
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Jaded On Rail

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Tsarbomba wrote:
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Initial phase opens in 2012.
I hope you are wrong. It's not the best move for Hawaii, and you know it. We're talking about BILLIONS of dollars here, not millions, like you hear about in other cities. With billions you could design something better, and that would include an overarching island wide plan for development.

This rail venture is patchwork. We shouldn't be spending billions on gambles or patchwork, with no coherent master plan. You folks are throwing a half-baked plan at us and demanding billions. Why should we support it? Why not advocate something better?

Switch sides and take a leadership role for brilliant development why don't you, come on Tsarbomba. You have intelligence, information, a gift for blarney and a lot of stamina -- that's what it takes!
Mike

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What car driver will do this? Drive to Kapolei train station and find parking. Waiting for train and catch it to Waipahu. Get off at Waipahu train stop and walk to bus stop. Wait for bus and catch it to downtown. After work, wait for bus and catch it to Waipahu train stop. Wait and catch train to Kapolei train stop. Drive car home. Come on. What car driver will want to go through all these steps?

It would be better to start in Pearl City and go toward town to build a ridership base. After this is done, then you link Pearl City to Waipahu and then Kapolei. I know it's non-linear, but it's the best way to build a realistic ridership base. Why? Because no current car driver will do all the steps described in my first paragraph.
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You must be dreaming again Tsarbomba.
Are you referring to the initial phase of heavy steel rail built on the empty farm lands in Kapolei that will not have a ridership base to serve?
Has that agriculture land in Kapolei been rezoned for development yet by the Honolulu
Department of Planning and Permitting ? Not yet you say?
How is this realistic when rail never broke ground as was promised by the mayor last year?
Where is the revised final EIS on rail for public review? Who will the ridership base be to ride a train that has three of the first rail stations built in empty fields with no surrounding homes, businesses or roads?
Where would these rail riders go on a transit platform that does not serve established residential neighborhoods?
You can't just continue to ignore the many problems with this flawed rail plan. You need to get your head out of the sand.
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rail was never about traffic..it was about enriching the Campbell Estate and mufi's career.
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"The time for additional public hearings is OVER," said U.S. Sen. Daniel K. Inouye, but it's only over for the "small minority", and it's time for the "silent majority" and community leaders who support this transit system to "step up"??

Uncle Dan, I thought the time for additional public hearings was OVER?

If you do support pro-rail propaganda, you can speak and support the elevated system to make your voices heard, but if you are the "small minority of naysayers" who want to "derail" another "worthy" project, just sit down and shutup, because Sen. Daniel K. Inouye said the time for additional public hearings is OVER! Yeah, right!!

"Time for silent majority to step up on rail" (another unsigned "Opinion" headline by the honoluluadvertiser)
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/201...

"It's time for our public officials, business and community leaders who say they support the elevated system TO MAKE THEIR VOICES HEARD.

"The time for additional public hearings is OVER," said U.S. Sen. Daniel K. Inouye. "The time for action is NOW."

The case for elevated rail is clear. We have been studying this project for decades.

"Alternatives" have been sufficiently studied, hundreds of hearings held, mounds of testimony recorded, a "silent majority approved" the project but we also are at a critical juncture where time and clarity of purpose are crucial.

It's time for the silent majority and community leaders who support this transit system to "step up". Let's not let politics and a small minority of naysayers derail another "worthy" project for Hawai'i. We can do better than that."
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small minority wrote:
"Alternatives" have been sufficiently studied, hundreds of hearings held, mounds of testimony recorded, a "silent majority approved" the project but we also are at a critical juncture where time and clarity of purpose are crucial.
It's time for the silent majority and community leaders who support this transit system to "step up". Let's not let politics and a small minority of naysayers derail another "worthy" project for Hawai'i. We can do better than that."
Wrong. It's time that this project be scrapped. In 2006 the FTA had glowing comments in its evaluation of a Bus Rapid Tranist System for Honolulu. The people of Oahu just can not afford Rail.
Rail Pandemic

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Trains, buses face declines in ridership and revenues
By Mike Rosenberg/MediaNews Group
Posted:01/10/2010
"After enduring the most brutal year in the history of Bay Area public transit systems, train and bus operators are barreling down a track toward bankruptcy, every Bay Area transit agency has increased fares and reduced train and bus service to plug deep budget holes. But the changes have produced fewer riders and even less revenue -- leading some to worry that public transit has entered a death spiral.Vallejo has had to cut services and raise fares, he added.
For the first time, fewer riders are boarding the Capitol Corridor train service, resulting in a recent 13 percent decline, Halls said.
Already, more than a million riders are spending extra money and time each day just to get around. And a staggering 66,000 daily riders have abandoned Bay Area transit in the past year
Six major agencies have lost at least 7 percent of their riders in the last year. Some officials fear they'll never get them back.
The worst may be yet to come. Consider the plight of BART. The agency's financial hole has only deepened since it recently phased out 100 jobs, hiked fares more than 6 percent, upped parking rates, and started running three trains an hour instead of four on weeknights and weekends. BART has lost $32 million in sales tax revenue in the past 12 months, and it has seen $129 million in state subsidies disappear in the last three years. The rising costs, vanishing state subsidies and declining tax revenues are shared by all 28 of the area's transit agencies. Without fundamental changes, they project a cumulative budget shortfall in 25 years of $8.5 billion, and a capital projects deficit of $17.2 billion.
In other words, as a report by the regional Metropolitan Transportation Commission concluded, their current track leads to bankruptcy.
One of transit's main problems these days is simple, brutal arithmetic. The average Bay Area commute is 24 miles round-trip. In 2008, someone who drives a car that gets 24 miles a gallon was saving $1.57 on gas each day by taking public transportation. But most daily transit tickets are 50 cents to $1 costlier now, so the saving are sharply dropping.
Commuters are also finding it less convenient to take trains and buses.
Because of recent funding problems, BART weeknight and weekend riders now have to wait up to 20 minutes for a train to arrive. Non-commute time Caltrain riders can find themselves stuck on platforms for an hour. Thousands of bus riders have seen their routes vanish.
Bay Area transit operators began losing local revenues because of the recession and have been stripped of $532 million in state aid during the past three years.
Transit operators responded by taking routes away from riders and charging them more, resulting in fewer riders and even less revenue.
The VTA, which saw its budget gap quadruple to $98 million in just four months last year, is cutting bus service by 8 percent and light rail by nearly 7 percent starting Monday.
Caltrain recently faced such dire money woes that its board declared a fiscal emergency.
SamTrans eliminated all but one express route and increased fares by 25 cents, but it reduced its $28.4 million deficit by just $7.3 million.
For all, a long-term deficit remains.
"I think this is by far the most difficult time we've seen in public transit," said AC Transit Board Vice President Chris Peeples. "We've had ups and downs with changes in the economy, but this is the worst. the chickens are coming home to roost." With nothing in reserve and a bigger deficit, Caltrain has cut eight of its 98 weekday trains to stay afloat.
The circumstance is hardly unique.
"This is certainly the biggest deficit that BART has ever encountered in its over 37 years of operations," said BART spokeswoman Luna Salaver, referring to that agency's four-year,$310 million budget gap."
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Rail will make Honolulu look like Chicago.

Ugly, Ugly, Ugly.
James

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Jan 15, 2010
 
alice wrote:
rail was never about traffic..it was about enriching the Campbell Estate and mufi's career.
You're right on that one.

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