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hello
Troy, MI
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those who mention conspiracy have no idea what they are talking about...nobody wanted john to die and it was a horrible crime...anybody that talks about conspiracy does not understand how badly they are mistaken...please choose your words carefully and know that this was an unspeakable atrocity that everyone knows was WRONG and there will never be any other way to look at it...
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“John Chapter 7 + 14:15”
Since: Sep 08
Wolverine, Michigan
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Friend of W wrote: Katey: You " don't believe in sides, you just believe in right and wrong "......uhhhh.....hello!! Right IS a side, and so is WRONG!! I'm really curious as to why you are seemingly always at the jail "visiting friends"?? What are you really there for? What are you hoping to find? As a very good friend of Tom, I will make it my mission to see that the truth is served BY IMPLORING TOM TO TELL THE TRUTH!! But in the end, NOTHING will change what has happened!! So really, what is your gig? You know that Tom is, and will be punished ALONG with his family!! Is that enough for you?? Bad things happen everyday in life!! How we react to them DEFINES our character! So stop with rhetoric, and start the healing! Remember, at this point, there are no winners, just losers! And we've all lost!! Right and wrong are not sides they are mental states of being. One is sane, one is insane. The person I've been visiting in jail was a good friend of my father's and I've known him since I was in diapers. He helped me clean up Jon's blood so shut the hell up. I visit my friend in jail for the same reason Tom's friend was visiting him and you're CRAZY for thinking there is some other reason. When I want to discuss this case I call the lead Detective or Prosecuting attorney.
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Friend of W
Saginaw, MI
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omg in Petoskey: Who are you? What is your motive for even being on this post if you don't know anyone involved!! If it's a "cause" you need to be a part of, how about making that cause your own life and your own business?? GET A LIFE!!
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Spiritual B
Traverse City, MI
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This whole ordeal is just pure wrong & disgusting. It's an awful thing that has happened and when people have to smear the good name of others who had nothing to do with this, that is just wrong. There are many of you who have written here that write because you are filled with anger- and who can blame you, but deal with your anger in a healthy way!- Let me say that being a close personal friend of Kelley, none of you, including Kate have the facts straight. Tom was not Kelley's boyfriend, but a friend, up until he chose to do that God awful crime. They make sites like this so the public can comment on how they feel. They are not here to slander or commit libel to another and that is what has been done to Kelley. Believe it or not, she is just as horrified by Tom's actions and she would NEVER condone actions such as his! Jon was a human being who made mistakes. I'm sure he had his good points, but he was immature & closed minded. He had anger toward Kelley (mostly after Kate entered the picture) and all along Kelley tried to talk with him about their son, his needs, etc. and he refused. He wouldn't let Kelley even see where her son stayed when he was with Jon and didn't discuss anything that went on over those weekends which was hard for Kelley not knowing. She is a wonderful mother- said by many- and cares deeply about her child’s' well being. When the child is ill with an ear infection and Jon refuses to give him much needed medicine (antibiotics) to clear it up, how do you call that good parenting?! Kelley's only option after these terrible drop offs and picks ups was to video tape them and the actions and words on those tapes say all, including the look of fear on Tyler's face when he saw Jon and he cried so hard and clung to his mom for dear life to not go. It was very difficult for her to watch this but she always tried to reassure Tyler that he would have fun and told him she loved him and would see him very soon. Kelley was NOT in contempt Katey, and the court case that was supposed to take place that following week was to get Kelley sole custody of Tyler and have Jon go back to supervised visits due to his actions & since he was not willing to politely and respectfully talk with Kelley. Her lawyer was sure these changes would take place due to Jons actions. She always tried with Jon..tried to communicate and tried to get along. I saw her treat Jon with politeness from the get go in hopes things would change for the better but they became worse and mostly after Kate entered the picture, blaming everything that was not right on Kelley. Grow up Kate! It takes 2! Besides Kate, you weren't even present but a few times w/Jon & Kelley together. I have known Tyler since he was born and as much as Kelley tried to get Jon to be a part of his life, he didn't show any interest in that child until after he was a year old and until child support had been filed and Jon's comment was "If I’m gonna pay, I'm gonna see my son!" ..enters Kate with an email to Kelley introducing herself as Jons' girlfriend and said "Yes, I'm married, I'm a dirty rotten cheater. Kelley, you have something I want more than anything, and that is to say Jon's baby! Have you ever thanked him for that?..." WHAT? What kind of person does that sound like to you? A little scary if you ask me or anyone who saw that email, not to mention the many more harassing emails that followed for the next year.(More to continue)..
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Spiritual B
Traverse City, MI
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Kelley being the good woman she is, chose not to respond or stoop to that level. I am not going to go on much further with this because there is so much that could be said. But I will tell you this- Kelley is one of the most Kind wonderful human beings' and mom I have ever met. She is full of love and compassion and it was so hard for her to accept what was happening with Jon and Kates' unfounded accusations and how she had to leave her son with Jon on those weekends. That last weekend Tyler was visiting, he was returned to Kelley with a haircut (the second Jon had given him, including his first haircut that Kelley asked him not to do because she had an appointment that coming week and being his custodial mom, wanted to be there for that first haircut- another thing he robbed from her just because he knew it would upset her) and Tyler had a face full of broken blood vessels (no choking involved), but this concerned Kelley quite a bit and after returning home with him and making calls, she was told to get Tyler to his doctor fist thing in the morning or to the emergency room. I went with her. The emergency doctor said that the causes of broken blood vessels include very hard crying/screaming and/or shaking. If Tyler was screaming so hard, why continue to put him through that?! The doctor said that he was calling child protective services to get them involved & they did come the next day that Tom was arrested. Tom cared for Kelley & Tyler deeply and I guess seeing Tyler like that put him over the edge. Kelley had no clue of his intentions or would have stopped him if that included calling the police. As she has said "NOBODY deserves to have their life taken no matter what!" And this has torn her up pretty good as well. She has her own grief to deal with and her anger at Tom for committing the worst crime imaginable. I have read these comments and was not going to comment myself, but so much untruth and accusations have been said about her, I couldn't sit by and not say anything anymore. So people, don't go judging others on what you hear. Don't speak things that you know not to be true. Don't be hateful and hurt others. As someone here said, "We are all hurting and dealing with our losses in our own way." So if you are a loving kind individual, deal with your OWN grief and issues w/o bringing others into it and falsely blaming others as well. It has been obvious all along (before this even happened) that kate had it out for Kelley and for what? Kate was around Kelley maybe 4 times total and I saw Kelley on the video tape treat her with respect. Tom chose himself to do this and bring on his own consequences himself. Why he did it, only he knows, but I think he was a boiling pot and finally blew his lid. God bless all of you! Including Jon’s family, friends, and Kelley & Tyler included!
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Friend of W
Saginaw, MI
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WELL NOW!! Hello Spiritual B! Finally the voice that knows the other end of the story!! HARD TO ARGUE, HUH KATE?? I can hardly wait to hear your whining about this!! And also, the friend you visit at the SAME jail that Tom is at? The same one that helped you clean up the mess of Jon's death? So how did he pull that one off if he himself was in jail? As Ricky says to Lucy, you have some splaining to do!!!
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“John Chapter 7 + 14:15”
Since: Sep 08
Wolverine, Michigan
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He was arrested 3 days after Tom
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Friend of W
Saginaw, MI
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Ok!! Good!! Just checking!! Just making sure what the REAL facts are out there....right? Because.... we all want to know the REAL truth.........right??
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Spiritual B
Traverse City, MI
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A child molester you visit in jail Kate? WOW
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Kasey B
Newman Grove, NE
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I wish you all could have been there the day Kate found Jon lying in that pool of blood. I was. And I held her as she screamed, cried, threw up, and generally fell to pieces all the while defending herself to the police. I watched my baby sister going through the worst pain anyone should ever have to bear. Death is hard, I've been through it more than a dozen times in the last few years. But death in this manner is hard to accept. And to be the one to walk into that scene.......... well it's enough to scar a person for life. You all can have your opinions, and say what you will, but remember that Kate not only lost Jon, but was the one who found him as well.
As for the Child molester she visits in jail, he has been a family friend since we were babies, and he's been ACCUSED, not convicted, of something that ALLEGEDLY happened many many years ago. I guess you could call it another case of he said she said.
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Amanda
Billings, MT
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Yes, there are always two sides to every "story" and sometimes it takes years for the truth to come out. There are people out there that KNOW what happened and why. I personally don't believe Jon would ever intentially hurt a child, let alone his own child. I do believe there was tension between Jon and Kelley as there usually is in custody fights, but no matter what, Kelley will always be in question about Jon's murder no matter if she's convicted or not because she was the one person who stood to gain the most with him dead. Wether or not Tom acted on his own behalf (as a good friend to Kelley) doesn't mean he is the only one to blame. There are so many people hurting here and so many believe in their hearts that there's more to Jon's murder than what it seems. We all just want answers and no more open ends. ALL OF US. Kelley~if it bothers you that much that you can't put your own name on here when posting things, then please sit back and think about wether or not you should even burden yourself with reading it.
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Spiritual B
Traverse City, MI
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The fact that Kate "found" Jon after that horrid murder is awful and I would hope that no one would ever have to deal with something like that. It is awful & we get the picture. Sounds to me like Kate ought to get some counsling for this and obvious other things she is dealing with/or not dealing with in a healthy manner. One thing I know, you don't take out your anger with a "lynch mob" mentality toward Kelley & try to get her thrown in jail as well because Kate needs someone to blame other than the murderer himself. There is obvious jelousy of Kelley and anger (God knows for what reason) going on there and if y'all haven't noticed, Kelley has not spoke a word to defend herself because she knows the truth, she is a much more spiritual person, and knows she had nothing to do with this. I will say I think it's awful for her to read all your hurtful unfounded comments! I know personally she has cried to me w/compassion for Kate saying "I can't imagine Kate had to go through that tragity of finding Jon that way, I feel so bad for her!" Please people, let's deal with ourselves and our individual grief and not continue to hurt others in the process!
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“John Chapter 7 + 14:15”
Since: Sep 08
Wolverine, Michigan
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*bullsh*t sneeze* Kelley We ALL know it's YOU, and you're making yourself look ridiculous again. Does Tom know you broke up with him?
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Friend of W
Saginaw, MI
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The perpetual victim is quieting down all of a sudden!!*bullsh*t sneeze* is the best you have!! So Kate, answer me this question(s). For a person who " likes local cemetaries " and " belongs to God ", how is it that you're so transfixed on death? Kind of Salem witchy-like now, isn't it!! So exactly witch God....oops......I mean, which God do you belong to anyway? I am just soooo confused by all of your BS!!! Happy Halloween!!
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Spiritual B
Traverse City, MI
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I'm likin' you Friend of W.. you are onto the truth and see through the BS. Didn't you know Kate says she is a "self proclaimed witch"? yep, it's in another one of Kelley's emails.
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Spiritual B
Traverse City, MI
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What difference does it make to you Kate whether Tom was Kelley's girlfriend or not? Who cares? what does that have to do with anything> Point being.. Tom did what he did on his own. You haven't the slightest clue how many friends Kelley has- which is many- and for you to make accusations like you do just shows that you are far from being a spiritual being that speaks of your grief and that only. It's all about YOU and not even a thought is given to others involved (even others you may not like) that may be suffering in their own way. You didn't know Kelley from Adam really. You have no clue of who she is and it's just obvious in your anger that you're looking for someone to blame other that Tom. Get over it woman! Get help! And quit printing false atatements about Kelley or I will try and talk her into suing you for slander/libel. What would Larry (your husband)think about all this? What would he think if he knew your true relationship w/Jon?! Let it go.. move on with your grief in an APPROPRIATE way w/o blaming others. DEAL WITH YOURSELF! You seem as closed minded as Jon and wont even take my word for it that I am Kelley's friend. Man, you have more issues to deal with than you think you do. But I will say God bless you- you need it.
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“John Chapter 7 + 14:15”
Since: Sep 08
Wolverine, Michigan
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“John Chapter 7 + 14:15”
Since: Sep 08
Wolverine, Michigan
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Allow MY ego to meet yours Kelley, they have met before, and it usually pisses you off so brace yourself.
Do you understand that by denigrating my religion you cross the line into a hate crime? When you cross the line into a hate crime you add years to your sentence. Jon totally pegged you when he said you were a bully. I miss him you know. Yeah, you know.
I’m proud of what I’ve accomplished in my life Kelley. I call myself a witch and no one said you had to like it. You do have to tolerate me tho. You do know what toleration is don’t you? Voltaire wrote a gripping essay on the subject, maybe you should read it. My father came from a family of devout Lutherans and grew up with nuns for teachers. R.I.P Daddy. My mom came from a family of Jehovah’s witnesses and honestly, a lil church would do her good. My mom’s mom? What a great lady. We all call her Grand Jaws and she’d wash your mouth out with soap Kelley and stand you in the corner. She is the reason when I sat there with Anna in Jon’s blood, I wanted to rub YOUR nose in it. Why was that? Because if Jon had never met you he’d still be alive and Nick & Brook would still have their dad. Honestly I don’t think I’m the only person who is surprised that you don’t get it.
Neither of my parents attended church but I spent 7 years of my youth as a Christian Youth crusader and did, in fact, earn the full armor of God. My mother still has the sash and medals to prove it. No one made me go; I chose to. I was also top of my class, a varsity cheerleader, on the student council, and made it to the district finals in basketball. I was a Young Author, a member of Who’s Who, and a Quiz Bowl Champion. I helped take care of and keep company the elderly ladies in the neighborhood; and babysat after school for some kids up the hill; traits I carry to this day. Jon mirrored me a lot in character in that he was a care taker. I’m someone people trust and so was Jon. I am married 7 years, and yes even with ALL that’s happened we are still happy. We own 3 homes, 4 vehicles and a successful business. We carry no debt and we share our wealth openly and freely. That’s the only way to keep it. Not by selfishly hoarding it away. Every dime of child support you got from Jon came from us, and Jon is not the only person my husband and I help. We do what’s RIGHT in front of us.
I have read Kierkegaard, Einstein, Da Vinci and Dante. The Tibetan Book of the Dead, 78 Degrees of Wisdom and Numerology & the Divine Triangle. I’ve also read the Holy Bible, The Message, A Course in Miracles, The Nag Hammadi Library, Lost Scriptures, The History of God, The Gnostic Bible, Radical Enlightenment, My Utmost for His Highest, Conversations With God 1-3 and The Secret Language of Birthdays. Those and many more are in the library upstairs with my other books on reflexology, herbs, aromatherapy, astrology, numerology, and natural healing methods. You Know WITCHY things. I have books of potions for skin ailments, body aches and subscribe as much as I can to a lifestyle with as few chemicals as possible. Tho I do smoke. I don’t subscribe to or buy into fiction unless it’s of a philosophical nature. I use tarot cards as a counseling tool and promote healing and spread truth. I call myself a witch because that is what I AM. Only someone not right would bring this discussion of Jon’s murder to the point of questioning MY faith, or lack there of, in GOD, because I call myself a witch. Witches do not worship the devil. This witch doesn’t even believe in one.
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“John Chapter 7 + 14:15”
Since: Sep 08
Wolverine, Michigan
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Do you understand that you’ve already drug Spiritual B down with you? She whines about Jon giving Tyler a haircut saying he robbed Kelley/You of that? Are you serious? You robbed us of JON. Do you know how many women out there wish their problem with their ex was a haircut? I do! Haircut ~ Hate & Murder, I just fail to see the comparison. Why should Jon’s world stop because your feelings are hurt because you don‘t know what is happening on Jon‘s weekends with Tyler? You had Tyler hanging out with a Murderer! Jon didn’t get Tyler a haircut to rob you of anything, and why is Tyler screaming and breaking his own blood vessels somehow something Jon did wrong? You yourself said you were gonna get him a haircut! Is the world to believe he would not scream in your presence too? And as far as your respect of me goes. When you’re standing there filming me & Jon in an effort to prove we are abusive and I ask you “How’ve you been?” and you say “Good.” The presence of the camera to prove abuse makes any respect you delusionally THOUGHT you were showing me & Jon null and void. Hello! Yes?
And you Were found in contempt Kelley; on November 14th, 2007 and were slated again on September 4th, 2008. And YOU withheld Tyler from Jon for the first year, that’s why he refused to sign the support papers until visitation was discussed. YOU refused to discuss it with him, he couldn’t afford a lawyer, and since they were threatening your SSI you finally had to come around. I thought it was a very smart move on his part and I’m proud of him. He wasn’t about to let you do to him what Heidi was already doing. It is my understanding that you haven’t picked up a phone or even sent a card to extend a hand in friendship or sympathy to the Williams family so please don’t expect any of us to think that you mean it because you sit in your little gov asst. apartment and type it here. Type something that’s sincere or STOP typing. They are under no obligation to get in contact with a person who frightens them. Don’t think that they are not thinking of Tyler.
In the beginning Tom was Tyler’s step dad and Jon deserved every smack he got; and when it was evident from Jons friends and family that there was no proof or justification for what happened, the tone all of a sudden changes and new personalities emerge that keep the conversation going and give you a chance to hear yourself talk. Are you proud of you? Are you proud of what you’re creating? I don’t know how anyone else feels, but you’ve treated me pretty shitty for a long time so when you type things like “NOTHING can change what has happened” I’d seriously like to smack your disrespectful cheek. Only becuz I know how vicious you are. If you feel compassion for us, then talk about Tyler and let us have some time with him and leave my spirituality out of it. I’m sick of your mouth and your hate. How does my husband feel? He was convinced you were unreachable even before I was. Call him and ask him, I know you know the number.
I hope you go to jail for at least 15 years for the role you played in Jon’s murder so he did not die in vain and Tyler can grow up in peace and TRUTH. Bad parenting is not getting your child a haircut or allowing him to miss a dose of the medicine his MOM forgot at home, bad parenting is robbing a child of his father because you think you’re the Gold Standard. I truly have nothing more to say to you. Until you join us here on Earth
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Friend of W
Saginaw, MI
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Wow Kate!! I'm not sure witch......oops....there I go again......which one of the little ditties you just penned LEAST impresses the most! But what continues to make me curious is the absolute confusion you have about witch.....which GOD you belong to! If you have REALLY read the Bible, then you would know that you can only have but one God! Maybe re-read the Ten Commandments and refresh your memory! I'll make it easy for you! Read just the first two Commandments!! Bingo!! There it is!! See ya at the arraignment today!!
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