Israeli troops begin Gaza pullout as Hamas declares cease-fire

How's the weather MK?
A refreshing 71 here:)

my kind of town wrote:

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Hmmm-director of WHO in Gaza...no conflict there. Can't wait to hear his testimony
on the treatment of Gazans who tunnelled into Egypt and were beaten....or on the number
of daily emergency vehicles running between Egypt and Gaza...or on the hourly shipments
of food and supplies on open truck routes from the Arab World...which has a 24/7 border
with Gaza that could be not only getting things in but people, as in day workers, out.
Now WHO can testify on that?

Well the Director of WHO in Berlin wouldn't be useful here I suppose- so first handers only thanks.

Have you looked into his staements on the above mentioned topics?

NaNa wrote:

<quoted text>Oh small she-man, my people are Americans, Palestinians, Ukrainians, but not the murderers in those camps.
We all know who held the knives.
And we all know who gave them the ok and who had the control to stop them.

We and the whole world knows that, bitchy, it was your Christian arab arabs who did the killings to your arab pal people. Kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill said the young arab mama to her newborn little shining bomb. Her friend said, watch them how fast they blow up.

Waleid wrote:

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How ever do you get them out of Palestine? I heard that was impossible.

LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES, thats the arab way, Americans are waking up, thanks God.

What does this accomplish?

"Bethlehem - Ma’an - The Israeli High Court of justice criticized the violation of due process that saw Bethlehem University Student Berlanty Azzam, seized, blindfolded, handcuffed and thrown into the Erez crossing headed for Gaza as she headed home from a job interview on 29 October."

She is two months away from graduation from BU.


http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx...

Oh, and Uzi, please kindly refrain from using the term "muff diving."

Outside of the obvious attempt on your part to conceal your true nature, the visual of any woman allowing you to come that close made me vomit.

NaNa wrote:

How's the weather MK?
A refreshing 71 here:)

It's warm for Chicago this time of year -60 daytime. The colors are at their vivid Fall best
bright red, yellow and orange. I hope you feel fine and everything continues to go well....

Both Hamas and Peres/Israeli officials criticize Goldstone and make personal attacks based on his supposed bias.

Look, the guilty always find common ground.

NaNa wrote:

Oh Eran, your ever infantile, pompous assumptions never cease to amaze me.
I know so little about what forges culture and nation?
And you, who uses constant ill logic which negates itself, intertwined with fallacy after fallacy, comprehends the subject so well.... hmmm.
Let's be clear, I understand WHY Jews felt the need to forge a state in Palestine- as I stated quite obviously in my post which you surely must not have read.
My point was, it was not the only option nor was it a necessity- as your post claimed. In fact, a culture relies on its PEOPLE, not on its location. All the rest is just support and nourishment.
Ask the Native Americans.
Well, those with any culture left to speak of.
Instaed, ask the Palestinians in camps.

If this is the argument, then Palestinians can be nourished in any of the remaining
98% of the Middle East which is vastly underpopulated and totally Arab controlled.
Native Americans can't talk their way back into control of US lands-so their "opinion" has no
bearing. Similiarly, Palestinians cannot argue their way into what is now Israel.
It is all distraction and delay from the inevitable -they must recognize Israel and they must
accept a co-existence. THEN both sides can get into serious land swapping.

NaNa wrote:

Both Hamas and Peres/Israeli officials criticize Goldstone and make personal attacks based on his supposed bias.
Look, the guilty always find common ground.

How true, aside from the preposterous equating of Hamas with a legit government...
but, that seems to be the premise of the Goldstone report..that rogue NGO's operating
with no accountability are somehow to be reguarded as recognized nations when they
provoke conflict in civilian areas. The report worked from the wrong assumptions.

NaNa wrote:

Oh, and Uzi, please kindly refrain from using the term "muff diving."
Outside of the obvious attempt on your part to conceal your true nature, the visual of any woman allowing you to come that close made me vomit.

Mother Theresa of the arab world is barking here. The Virgin Mary of the arab idiocy is crawling here. Go to hell bitchy bitch.
Vomit is good for you, you are full of it, and no I refuse to have sex with you.

my kind of town wrote:

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If this is the argument, then Palestinians can be nourished in any of the remaining
98% of the Middle East which is vastly underpopulated and totally Arab controlled.
Native Americans can't talk their way back into control of US lands-so their "opinion" has no
bearing. Similiarly, Palestinians cannot argue their way into what is now Israel.
It is all distraction and delay from the inevitable -they must recognize Israel and they must
accept a co-existence. THEN both sides can get into serious land swapping.

Th skies must be real clear by you to see and say the right things.

Hello America, read and learn why the next arab terrorist is on the way to kill you.

"It may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these [Infidel] armies so as to learn their secrets"
In the wake of the Fort Hood jihad massacre, Muslim leaders in this country are preparing a fatwa on the permissibility of serving in the U.S. military. It is likely to differ from this one, but the answers from this site are on the whole more respected than anything that comes from Muslims in the West. Islam-QA is a very popular site for Muslims to get answers to questions they have, and the late Muhammad Uthaymeen is very respected as well -- even in the West.

"Military service in kaafir armies and working as a "chaplain" in those armies," from Islam QA (thanks to Axel):

What is the ruling on Muslims serving in the military of non muslim country ? What is the evidence for its permissibility or prohibition?
And lastly, what is the status of a Muslim working to help those in the military to fulfill their obligations to Allaah while serving in the Army, Navy, or whatever?

Praise be to Allaah.

We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-'Uthaymeen, may Allaah preserve him, who answered as follows:

"Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Military matters are problematic, because they involve helping these kuffaar to wage war against the Muslims or those who have entered into a treaty with the Muslims. If no such thing is involved, it may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these armies so as to learn their secrets and be aware of their potential evil. In other words, if working in these armies could be of benefit, it may be permissible, otherwise it is not allowed."

On this basis, if a person works as a preacher or daa'iyah or imaam or muezzin, serving the Muslims and calling non-Muslims to Islam, then there is nothing wrong with this.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

Oh, I see , you want to see more, ok here it is:

Then there's this:

It is not permissible for a Muslim to fight with kaafirs against the Muslims at all
I work in the army of a non-Muslim state, and there are wars between them and the Muslims. What is the ruling if they send me with a division of this army to wage war against the Muslims? As a Muslim, my feelings are that I never want to fight against Muslims in any war.
What should I do?
What is the ruling if I go...?

Praise be to Allaah.

If you are sent to wage war against the Muslims, then it is not permissible for you to take part at all. Helping the kaafirs against the Muslims is a form of major kufr which puts one beyond the pale of Islam. Allaah says concerning one who supports the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

"And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa', i.e., friends), then surely, he is one of them"[al-Maa'idah 5:51][Koran 5:51]

With regard to how you may get out of this situation, and what excuse you can give to get out of this dilemma if it happens, we ask Allaah to help you, and we suggest that you consult some Muslims who have relevant knowledge or experience.

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters - unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims, or if your work is purely da'wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

The Satan is speaking.......

Are you convinced of the Evil of Islam?? If still not here is some more:

And this:

Working in the army of a country in which there are munkaraat (haraam deeds)
Please tell me about the ruling on one who works for the army, which is the source of his provision, but the military system and laws oblige him to shave his beard and some of them have to respect others, as the foreigners do. We have to greet others in a manner different from that enjoined upon us by Allaah and His Messenger, we have to salute the flag and we are governed by and have to refer differences amongst ourselves to laws other than those of Allaah (military law). If I fight to defend my country, but it is not under the banner of Laa ilaah ill-Allaah Muhammad Rasool Allaah [There is no god but Allaah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah], and by the will of Allaah I am killed, what is the ruling on me according to the Qur'aan and Sunnah?
Can I fight with an intention that is different to that of the army in whose ranks I am fighting? If I do the things mentioned above so as to avoid any negative consequences, am I sinning by doing that? Can a Muslim work in the army with the intention of learning fighting skills which he cannot learn anywhere else under current circumstances?
Please tell me about obedience to parents in this matter, when points of view differ in a case where the parents do not follow the Qur'aan and Sunnah, but they follow the traditions of society and whatever people are agreed upon. They think that religion is just prayer and fasting, and that anything beyond that is extremism. May Allaah help you to do that which pleases Him, correct your mistakes and protect you.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly: it is haraam to shave the beard; it is obligatory (waajib) to leave it to grow.

Secondly: it is not permissible to salute the flag.

Thirdly: it is obligatory (waajib) to govern by the sharee'ah of Islam, and to refer to it for judgement. It is not permissible for a Muslim to greet colleagues or superiors with the greeting of the foreigners, because of the reports which state that it is forbidden to imitate them and because this represents exaggerated respect for them.

Fourthly: Whoever fights to make the word of Allaah supreme and to protect the Muslims and their lands from the enemy, is fighting for the sake of Allaah, and if he is killed he is a shaheed (martyr). What counts is the aim and intention. You can have an intention which is different from the intention of the army, such as intending to make the word of Allaah supreme in your jihaad (so long as it is permissible, according to sharee'ah, to fight the group against whom you are fighting), even if others have different intentions, such as fighting for their country.

Fifthly: it is obligatory (waajib) to obey your parents so long as this does not entail disobeying Allaah, because there should be no obedience to any created being if it involves disobedience of the Creator.

And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.

Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah, 12/22

No, they are not the Peace Loving Religion. Keep an eye on them where ever you are, notify the authorities if you suspect anything. This is America and we gonna keep it that way muslim savages.

America, learn and know your enemy from within. Destroy them. God Bless america.

Here is a terrific new piece at Pajamas Media by my friend and former Jihad Watch writer, Raymond Ibrahim:

In a blog entry for Islamist Watch, David J. Rusin shows how the word "jihad" continues to be euphemized in the West. Despite Islamic law's unequivocal portrayal of it as a military endeavor to empower Islam, jihad is still being peddled as "nothing more than a student laboring to pass algebra, a mom driving her kids to soccer practice, or, in the words of the Cambridge study, a civic-minded person engaged in 'lobbying, activism, and writing'-- a community organizer of sorts." Rusin concludes by observing: "Why Islamists peddle such specious definitions should be clear. More baffling and disturbing is why they gain traction among so many Westerners."
Indeed, therein lies the irony: Islamist perfidy is only to be expected; Western naivety, on the other hand, which, if anything, should have begun to dissipate in our post-9/11 world, has burgeoned to the point of nearly making the former unnecessary. For while there is no doubt that Islamists (and their misguided Western cronies) distort the meaning of jihad, increasingly, even when the true meaning is in plain sight, America's leaders and media still fail to discern it. In other words, apathy -- or willful blindness -- regarding jihad has become so deep-seated in the West that Islamists need no longer actively dissemble.

Consider: When President Barack Hussein Obama addressed the Islamic world from Cairo on June 4, 2009, he said: "As the Holy Koran tells us,'Be conscious of God and speak always the truth'[Sura 9:119]. That is what I will try to do -- to speak the truth as best I can, humbled by the task before us." Let us for the moment put aside the fact that Sura 9, from whence Obama quotes, contains the most violent and intolerant exhortations in all the Koran (which is saying something). The problem here is that the original Arabic text of Sura 9:119 says absolutely nothing about "speaking the truth." The word "speaking" is nowhere in the text, and "truth," as an abstract, is a wrong translation for sadiqin, which refers to people. The verse most literally translates as "fear Allah and be with the truthful." In other words, Muslims should stand firm with fellow Muslims ("truthful" serving as a Koranic epithet for "Muslims" the same way "believers" often does). It is, as ever, a call for divisiveness -- of Muslims (the "truthful") versus infidels (the "false").

Had Obama or his Mideast advisors and speechwriters simply bothered to read this verse in context -- verse 9:111, a jihadi all-time favorite, looms just above, promising believers paradise in exchange for their killing and being killed -- or if they had bothered consulting mainstream Muslim exegeses, they might have known that this verse is part of a Koranic segment that deals exclusively with fighting infidels: Muhammad and several Muslims were preparing to invade Byzantine territory. Some Muslims wanted to stay behind. It was then that Allah/Muhammad threatened them with this verse to "fear Allah and be with the truthful" (i.e., join ranks with your fellow Muslims on the warpath). Sentences later, this exhortation culminates in one of the most famous calls to violence in all the Koran, regularly evoked by modern-day jihadis: "O you who believe, fight those infidels who dwell around you, and let them find harshness in you!" [9:123]....

Goldistone my ass

Regarding the Israeli army beaviour please see this short movie

http://www.unwatch.org/site/apps/nlnet/conten...

Yes, there is such a thing, surprised???

http://www.arabsforisrael.com/

Pay strict attention to this new government program…
Unfortunately, the US Governement refuses to allow "detainees" at Guantanamo Holding Facility to participate in this program. This wanton discrimination by the government must cease.





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NaNa wrote:

These are COMPLETELY contradictory statements:
"To understand Jewish right for a state, you must first understand the Jewish people are a nationality which happens to have a unique religion rather then a religion which views its members as part of a people."
"Jews are a nationality therefore they need a state, this state can only be in the land of Israel, the Jewish ancestral land from which the Jewish sense of identity sprang from."
Jewish is in fact a nationality, and I deny no one's need or urge for a nation allowing that "nationality" to flourish and grow, mature, and develop with time. However, if not for religious ties and affiliation, there is NO reason that the "state" MUST be in any certain location. A nationality/culture can thrive wherever is has the opportunity to do so.
Now, if you simply state that Jews REFUSE to do so anywhere but in the land believed to be promised by God, I'll buy that. Everyone has an inherant need to maintain ties, migrate towards ancestral history, and hold on to what once was.
Understanding this must help you to understand why the Palestinians also cannot simply be displaced, relocated, or concidered some other type of Arabs and be expected to accept freedoms in another man's land outside of that which they have history and anscestral ties to.

Now let's be realistic.
The Jews claimed to have the state of Israel from the "Right of return", and in Hebrew "Zhut Hashiva" (Zhut- "right", Shiva- "going back").
It was something that was spoken about since the Israelities were exicted to babylon, Hertzl talked about it- "If you will it, it is no dream") and the Jews in Germany dreamed about it while starving in the Guettos. The Messiach will come and take them to Israel.
In those times , both Jews and Arabs sat in what the "British called 'Probinica Falestina'. we both were in Palestine. The Jews and Arabs were both PALESTINIANS. my grandmother ID stated "Born in Palestine".
When the war started many Arabs were evicted from their homes, many left.
But where did they came in the first place?
Egypt, Jordan, ARAB STATES.
So did the Jews.
But one what grounds did the Arabs leave their homeland?
I don't really know, can YOU answer that?
They refused to let the Jews go back to their homeland, claiming it's only theirs.
If you recognize the Jewish need of "homecoming" then why do you refuse to let us live here?
in those days you have adopted the Jewish "right of returning", but you have no such right. the right of returning is to your oringinal homes, Jordan and Egypt.
We came home, why didn't the arabs do the same?
you want Palestine? you have it, it's the Arab states.
You want to live with us? of course you do, we made the desert a heaven, it's only natural you don't wish to leave what WE CREATED.
You would have been bery welcome to stay and live side by side with us, if it was not for the fanatic Muslim cruelity and their desire to spread hate wherever they go.
they always wish to us giving them lands that we won faily in their attempt to wipe us off of the map, when we did that, we got paid by terror attacks, missiles and more and more Islamic hate.
the only one suffering from that are the Christian Arabs, who at many times not wish for that mess. but even they now are going after their brothers on many issues.
The ethos Palestinian Arabs took for them is not theirs to begin with.
Such thing as The Palestinian right of return to their holy places or El Aqusa was never there in old times. the Jews had that.
So if there is homesick yearning for them to come back to what they see as theirs, there is much more the need to recognize our undeniable right to be here too. youre not alone at this, stop thinking like you are.
When you start thinking with your heads instead of your asses, things will get much better.
You have a child now, right?
What should a child grow into, peace or war? how long will it have to take to this to sink in?