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Doctors group to U. of C.: Practices close to 'patient dumping'

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Reality Check

Glen Ellyn, IL

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Feb 20, 2009
 
dont have all the facts wrote:
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Just make sure you don't put it in the Tribune, they would rewrite their findings to fit their own agendas.
And why we are discussing rights to healthcare in relation to this is absurd. Nobody's rights have been violtated in anyway. You do have the right to go to the ER in an emergency, you won't get turned away, if it is an emergency. If you don't like the care you received, you also have the right to go someplace else!
You are absolutely correct. Too many people think access to the best medical care upon demand is a constitutional right. Emergency rooms treat emergencies. For follow-up care, you have to go somewhere else. It might be that you go to your private-pay, primary care physician. Other people have to work the public health system. Just because you don't like what is available doesn't mean that there is not healthcare available.
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Feb 20, 2009
 
aghhhhhhhh wrote:
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TOUGH! It's survival of the fittest---THAT is the liberal mantra. YOU LOSE!
You're an idiot. You are definitely not a Christian. It has nothing to do with being a liberal. Humans have certain needs no matter what their political beliefs. Get off your anti-liberal soapbox and turn on your brain.
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Feb 20, 2009
 
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This is so true. It was very irresponsible of the the Trib and this ER group to stretch the truth. For the ER group to judge UCMC third-hand off the Trib's yellow "article" is appalling. The mother of this child waited several hours before seeking care-- that is why the boy could not have surgery at the time. This info was lacking from the Trib's bogus piece.
Also, what's clearly missing from all this "communication" about the UC's plans is the fact that the UC turns away non-critical ER patients from the ER regardless of ability to pay. If you show up with a headache and the place is crazy busy, they're going to try to get you to go to the PROPER place-- a community hospital, a doctor's office, etc. The local community hospitals are not as busy as the UC and their overhead is far, far lower than the UC's.
Another thing that no one is addressing about the national ER group's statement is the issue that these docs don't want care to be diverted from ERs for very selfish reasons. Think about it-- if fewer people are clogging ERs for general, routine care (headaches, superficial wounds, etc) then ERs are going to need fewer emergency physicians. The care will be diverted to primary care offices (and yeah, I know there aren't enough of those in many poor areas). And no, I am not saying that this kid's injury was not serious... but the Trib pulling out an example from last summer and trying to tie it to current restructuring plans is serious-- SERIOUSLY WRONG. So sad to see the Trib turn into Chicago's own local version of the National Enquirer.
Good post. Did you read the statement from the two physicians (one from UofC and the other from Stroger)?

Despite the fact that the Tribune perhaps had jumped the gun and did not get their "facts" straight, our healthcare in this country is in dire need of reform. Please, please ... anyone reading .... write your congressman and your senators. We need a panel of EXPERTS from the healthcare field to lead this discussion. NO POLITICIANS. The reason the last reform attempt failed was because of it's leader who knew NOTHING about healthcare except for the fancy and priveleged policy provided for her.

I am serious in the fact that I will apply for a seat on the healthcare reform committee. Mostly likely, I will not get a response, but at least I will try. Physicians and nurses (CT techs, Resp therapists, etc), please consider writing a resume to sit on this panel.

No healthcare bill should be written in a hasty manner (such as the last bill that was passed). MUCH care and consideration, ideas tosses about and serious discussion must happen first!! We need to work from the bottom up.
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#127
Feb 21, 2009
 
Starbucks won't hire you. They along with every other business in the US are struggling and have laid off people. You could be out of work until your cobra runs out then you will be left to fend for yourself in the private insurance world where you will be denied coverage for even the most benign preexisting condition and ythen where will you turn for care? Just because you think you have the answers doesn't mean they will be the right answers once you lose your job and insurance. I know people who were laid off at the start of the recession who are still looking and could not afford the full cobra payment in addition to the most basic of living expenses. Be grateful that the stimulus bill will make cobra affordable if you are laid off now. Those starbucks jobs to tide you over while you search aren't there and if one does magically appear be prepared to fight with hundreds of the other unemployed applicants who apply… that is what the responsible people have to do now.

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Sorry but our free health care that we give gets repaid by the state. Guess how long it's been since we got reimbursed? Going on 9 months. In the meantime fellow coworkers have lost their jobs. If I get layed off I have money saved for Cobra and the drive to find another job with insurance. I don't care if that means working at Starbucks. You know why? Because that is what responsible people do.

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