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Ink

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kathwynn

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Ink wrote:

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I'm not really trying to prove anything. It's just interesting to see that as technology improves with ultrasound and other studies, we can see ,if you're honest, that these are little human beings and maybe we should think differently than we did 2000 years ago or even 200 years ago. Maybe abortion should be an absolutly last resort after all other options are exhausted.

At the end of the day.. A woman making the Choice for aborting the Fetus is still no ones business. If that up sets you.. There really is nothing you can do about it.. Roe V Wade says a woman will have the right to make what ever Choice she chooses that is best for her. Not for every one else.

It is part of life and something that If most "prolife" would understand could end a lot of the stupidities out here..

But what concerns me is not a woman, or even women, having abortion. What concerns me is things that are far more important. People not having enough to eat. Being part of a nation that spends more on health care than any other industrialized nation. And getting less care for that buck than any industrialized nation. Are but a couple of things that really hold my attention in real life.

No, a woman making legal choice, regardless of what that might be, is something that I am actually happy about. As that means she must own her decision. She can not blame society, a group of people, or even you or I. Yes, there are cases of duress. Life is never neat and simple. At the same time a woman under ordinary circumstance is making a decision that is hers alone to make. And that is her responsibility to make.

Anything less and we set the stage for dictating who will and who wont. As our founding father stressed responsibility to self Roe V Wade is just that; Being responsible to one self.

When some one can understand that. Then that someone will have indeed grown up and can be an adult in an adult world.

Eighthman

Since: Nov 08

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Between the R and the T

Eighthman

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No matter where the middle is. I'm not paying for it. Forget about it.

Aged

Since: Sep 09

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Wallingford, CT

Eighthman wrote:

No matter where the middle is. I'm not paying for it. Forget about it.

Are you in a position to dictate how your tax dollars are spent? The link below was an eye-opener for me:

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.ht...

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quid pro quo wrote:

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Not me. That's the impersonating 'quid pro quo'. The hazards of not registering I guess. Believe or not....it's up to you, but that was not me.

Why not register? Otherwise, it will be close to impossible to differentiate between you and the other "quid pro quo".

Name calling comes with the terrority and typically between posters with a history of animosity. I "bleep" those words out and see if there's an underlying message being conveyed.

chooselife

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kathwynn wrote:

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At the end of the day.. A woman making the Choice for aborting the Fetus is still no ones business. If that up sets you.. There really is nothing you can do about it.. Roe V Wade says a woman will have the right to make what ever Choice she chooses that is best for her. Not for every one else.
It is part of life and something that If most "prolife" would understand could end a lot of the stupidities out here..
But what concerns me is not a woman, or even women, having abortion. What concerns me is things that are far more important. People not having enough to eat. Being part of a nation that spends more on health care than any other industrialized nation. And getting less care for that buck than any industrialized nation. Are but a couple of things that really hold my attention in real life.
No, a woman making legal choice, regardless of what that might be, is something that I am actually happy about. As that means she must own her decision. She can not blame society, a group of people, or even you or I. Yes, there are cases of duress. Life is never neat and simple. At the same time a woman under ordinary circumstance is making a decision that is hers alone to make. And that is her responsibility to make.
Anything less and we set the stage for dictating who will and who wont. As our founding father stressed responsibility to self Roe V Wade is just that; Being responsible to one self.
When some one can understand that. Then that someone will have indeed grown up and can be an adult in an adult world.

If at the beginning of the day when a women calls and thanks me for standing up for life and informing her of all the problems she would have not to mention killing her own baby it will be a bright sun shiny day for us.

Just because abortion has been decriminalized doesn't mean it isnt wrong it just means you won't go to jail for killing your own baby, that's all.

The founding fathers said, everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Since the woman exercised her right to have sex, the baby should have the right to life. After all she started it.

C Hamilton

Since: Sep 07

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chooselife wrote:

The founding fathers said, everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Since the woman exercised her right to have sex, the baby should have the right to life. After all she started it.

Enough with your lame founding fathers argument. Abortion was readily available when the Constitution was drafted. IF the Founders had an objection to same, isn't it likely they would have mentioned that somewhere?

cat

Syosset, NY

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quid pro quo wrote:

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None are me.
But obviously another PC. So my statement about the name calling appears to be somewhat accurate.

You've pulled this crap on other forums-IT'S NOT ME.
Please, see someone about that personality disorder. I asked you as well, to register with an ISP. Stop the BS. You don't want to take responsiblity for your stupidity-so you blame it on identity theft of another kind?

cat

Syosset, NY

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Ink wrote:

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I'm not really trying to prove anything. It's just interesting to see that as technology improves with ultrasound and other studies, we can see ,if you're honest, that these are little human beings and maybe we should think differently than we did 2000 years ago or even 200 years ago. Maybe abortion should be an absolutly last resort after all other options are exhausted.

All options are there for women-it's called CHOICE.
You can choose to have a baby, keep a baby, have the baby adopted by others and, you can also choose to terminate the pregnancy ie abort the pregnancy.
Education is key. When you educate people about how NOT to become pregnant and they 'use' that education-abortions will decrease. We haven't had much luck with the education part of it. Thank you Repugnicans.

cat

Syosset, NY

kathwynn wrote:

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A troll as far as I get from the often contradictory posts that seem to be this ones way to have "fun".

Says 'it's not me' on every forum.
Tiresome.

kathwynn

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chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>If at the beginning of the day when a women calls and thanks me for standing up for life and informing her of all the problems she would have not to mention killing her own baby it will be a bright sun shiny day for us.
Just because abortion has been decriminalized doesn't mean it isnt wrong it just means you won't go to jail for killing your own baby, that's all.
The founding fathers said, everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Since the woman exercised her right to have sex, the baby should have the right to life. After all she started it.

A baby is a person born and of course has that right to life.. A fetus does not.. The right to life begins at birth.. Not at conception as that would then interfere with the right to life of the pregnant woman. I know you have read this before. But you must realize that by giving rights to some insensate tissue you are in effect saying that woman are not worthy of any rights..

The () are mine.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/const...

"Amendment XIV"

"Section 1.(All persons born) or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

LadiLulu

Since: Nov 09

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kathwynn wrote:

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At the end of the day.. A woman making the Choice for aborting the Fetus is still no ones business. If that up sets you.. There really is nothing you can do about it.. Roe V Wade says a woman will have the right to make what ever Choice she chooses that is best for her. Not for every one else.
It is part of life and something that If most "prolife" would understand could end a lot of the stupidities out here..
But what concerns me is not a woman, or even women, having abortion. What concerns me is things that are far more important. People not having enough to eat. Being part of a nation that spends more on health care than any other industrialized nation. And getting less care for that buck than any industrialized nation. Are but a couple of things that really hold my attention in real life.
No, a woman making legal choice, regardless of what that might be, is something that I am actually happy about. As that means she must own her decision. She can not blame society, a group of people, or even you or I. Yes, there are cases of duress. Life is never neat and simple. At the same time a woman under ordinary circumstance is making a decision that is hers alone to make. And that is her responsibility to make.
Anything less and we set the stage for dictating who will and who wont. As our founding father stressed responsibility to self Roe V Wade is just that; Being responsible to one self.
When some one can understand that. Then that someone will have indeed grown up and can be an adult in an adult world.

Well said!

Conservative Democrat

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chooselife wrote:

<quoted text>The pro lifers have brought logical and rational facts that prove abortion is wrong, it is killing a baby in the womb, a life with potential but you pro aborts just hide behind the law that has decriminalized it.

Abortion is only wrong in the minds of those who believe they have the power to make decisions for, or to judge the actions of, another person.

And we don't hide behind the law. Only those who break the law have a reason to hide. We stand BY the law. If you don't want to stand by the law, suit yourself. But you'll be violating a commandment from your "god."

chooselife

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C Hamilton wrote:

<quoted text>Enough with your lame founding fathers argument. Abortion was readily available when the Constitution was drafted. IF the Founders had an objection to same, isn't it likely they would have mentioned that somewhere?

No, your arguments are lame. Do you know for sure that each founding father was aware of women aborting and that if was such a problem, as in 50 million babies dead so far.

cat

Syosset, NY

Eighthman wrote:

No matter where the middle is. I'm not paying for it. Forget about it.

You've been paying for it..that is your taxes have gone to federally fund abortion.

The Right To Choose will stand..whether it's funded or not.

chooselife

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Chicky of Brilliance wrote:

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LOL. Your statement reveals your lack of logical and rational facts.
Abortion is NOT wrong.
There is a FETUS in the womb.
There is NO such thing as a "pro-abort".
Pro-Choice need not hide.
Everyone is Pro-Life.
Thanks for proving my point!
You are very good at proving why pro-choice is the correct position on abortion rights and why abortion has always been and will always be a choice for women.

You are pro abort, and you lie to yourself.

chooselife

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Chicky of Brilliance wrote:

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You are truly ignorant. Abortion has been going on for thousands of years. It was openly advertised in the NEWS PAPERS at the founding of this nation. The founders knew of it.
In fact, abortion was performed in biblical times and neither jesus nor any of his followers mentioned it.
There is NOTHING WRONG WITH ABORTION. Your cult made it all up.

Thou shalt not kill means you shalt no abort, love God above all else means, love the baby in your womb His creation. Honor you mother and father means honor them and the life they gave you by honor the life you co-created.

LadiLulu

Since: Nov 09

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Chicky of Brilliance wrote:

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All lies. You have made all of this up to justify trying to force your will on all women, against their will.
Life starts with breath:
Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
God is NOT apposed to killing that which is in the womb, or even BORN babies:
Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords.
You should not lie about what the bible says!
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Rev. 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
ChoosesLies,
I think you are going to hate those plagues. REPENT and stop lying about the words of your god! Your cult is leading you to "hell". You poor, deluded, thing.

He can't read.

chooselife

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Chicky of Brilliance wrote:

<quoted text>
All lies. You have made all of this up to justify trying to force your will on all women, against their will.
Life starts with breath:
Genesis 2:7
Then the Lord God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.
God is NOT apposed to killing that which is in the womb, or even BORN babies:
Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords.
You should not lie about what the bible says!
Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Rev. 22:18-19
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
ChoosesLies,
I think you are going to hate those plagues. REPENT and stop lying about the words of your god! Your cult is leading you to "hell". You poor, deluded, thing.

Adams life started when God gave him breath, which stated life for man. We start life in the womb at conception. If your are responsible for ending one even by counsel you have committed murder.

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