Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Frijoles wrote:

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I dont find homosexuality as insulting in any way. Thats your cultural add on.
Jonathon had a 'special relationship". Interpret that as you feel fit.
the issue here is whether one reads the text on its own terms - as those who study it in the Hebrew do, or whether one adds meanings on afterwords. The Hebrew test says nothing about Messiahs visiting - and it is not logical to have to prove a negative (which was what you keep trying to ask me to do).

rabbee: the worship of halooseefer, is more abominable than even, the worship of baal hamolech. and yes i find, the attempted murder of everyone on this planet, as Personally offensive to G-D and me.

and i cannot stress enough, G-D'S disagreeing with you in rebellion again HIM. if you disagree with anything G-D hates, then you are to be hated by G-D.

hillbillyboy wrote:

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This thread is open to whomever wants to come and have a discussion with me about Genesis 18:1 and the Word of God in general.

First rule - Know your audience

I doubt anyone really cares. This is a small dying thread, populated by a few jews, a few atheists, a smatter of lunatics, other misfits, and a fundamentalist muslim in training. Occasionally we get into some pretty interesting conversations (that usually have nothing to do with religion)

You are just one of a long list of evangelistis who stumble here on occassion. From what I can tell so far, you are noteven close to the smoothest. The way I see it - you can receive the derision you deserve, or you should consider where you want to direct your finite energies.

Hard choice. not

Frijoles wrote:

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First rule - Know your audience
I doubt anyone really cares. This is a small dying thread, populated by a few jews, a few atheists, a smatter of lunatics, other misfits, and a fundamentalist muslim in training. Occasionally we get into some pretty interesting conversations (that usually have nothing to do with religion)
You are just one of a long list of evangelistis who stumble here on occassion. From what I can tell so far, you are noteven close to the smoothest. The way I see it - you can receive the derision you deserve, or you should consider where you want to direct your finite energies.
Hard choice. not

rabbee: nah! first rule, know G-D. second rule; know which story, your all actually in from HIM.

Frijoles wrote:

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I dont find homosexuality as insulting in any way. Thats your cultural add on.
Jonathon had a 'special relationship". Interpret that as you feel fit.
the issue here is whether one reads the text on its own terms - as those who study it in the Hebrew do, or whether one adds meanings on afterwords. The Hebrew test says nothing about Messiahs visiting - and it is not logical to have to prove a negative (which was what you keep trying to ask me to do).

It is not logical to prove a negative? I agree entirely.

So, if we employ your own words to action, then how to interpret the story that BEGINS in Genesis 18:1, as anything other than what the Hebrew scriptures say it is...a physical visitation of Abraham by The Lord?

Unless you wish to prove a negative, and say that it was not so (even though the scriptures are quite "plain" about it?

So what will it be? Will you examine with us the Genesis 18:1 visitation, and be honest and plain about it?

Now is your chance to live your own words, and prove to yourself and everyone else that you are a reasonable man, and endowed with intellectual honesty.

Why not begin by posting the scripture up for us?

Frijoles wrote:

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I dont find homosexuality as insulting in any way.

That's because you're 70% homosexual yourself.

You could be more than 70% homosexual aside from lacking in intelligence and the higher values....

LOL.

Besides, when we discuss the Holy Scriptures, we are handling the things of God.

So, it does not matter who, or how many others see this thread. Even if it were just you and I, it must be done as if it is the most important thing we have ever done.

For we are, indeed, handling the things of God.

hillbillyboy wrote:

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It is not logical to prove a negative? I agree entirely.
So, if we employ your own words to action, then how to interpret the story that BEGINS in Genesis 18:1, as anything other than what the Hebrew scriptures say it is...a physical visitation of Abraham by The Lord?
?

Did I argue otherwise?

(Did I argue anything?)

If I wanted to be cranky I would note it was not a visit by "The Lord" ( All I get from that imagery is a picture of Jim Morrison on a rant). I find that terminology silly. I prefer a visit from G-d, but pick your poison.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

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That's because you're 70% homosexual yourself.
You could be more than 70% homosexual aside from lacking in intelligence and the higher values....
LOL.

Do you want to be included in the atheist camp today, or the lunatic camp today? I give you free choice for a change.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

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That's because you're 70% homosexual yourself.
You could be more than 70% homosexual aside from lacking in intelligence and the higher values....
LOL.

Speaking of tushies

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-426...

Lebanese protest anal exams on suspected homosexuals

Arab world's leading LGBT group says tests on men suspected of homosexuality 'shameful, illegal and irrelevant scientifically'

LOL.

He's abreast of all the latest happenings in the world where homosexuality and homosexuals are concerned. LOL.

Mmmmmmm i guess he's not 70% homosexual but that he's 85% homosexual.

Most Jews are gay or bisexual.

(smiles)

Where's that other bisexual, HUGH? LOL.

LIMITATIONS OF VEGETARIANISM:

Vegetarianism does not hold the key to good behavior, kindness, altruism, non-violence, sincerity, mysticism, self-control and other higher values.

1) Vegetarians are as rude, cruel to lesser humans, violent, resentful, egoistic, vain, haughty, exploitative of the weaker sections of society, greedy, lustful, jealous, angry, materialistic and corrupt as non-vegetarians and fruitarians.

2) Personality defects are neither transformed nor dissolved by a vegetarian diet.

3) Vegetarianism simply avoids bad karma related to murder of animals and prepares the parts and planes of the being by reducing toxins, lessening psychological and emotional disturbances brought about by vibes of suffering and murder, avoids certain cardio-vascular diseases and to an extent it stabilizes the being for the yogic experiences provided the individual has the capacity for it.

JOEL PASTAKIA wrote:

He's abreast of all the latest happenings in the world where homosexuality and homosexuals are concerned. LOL.
Mmmmmmm i guess he's not 70% homosexual but that he's 85% homosexual.
Most Jews are gay or bisexual.
(smiles)

Actually I was kind of thinking of the R&D side of it - maybe to help develop a better test. There are so many backward Muslims in this world, the market would be endless.

If todays Messianic Jews are persecuted, then it is not the first time believers have suffered for The Lords sake. Christians have always been hated by the world, as the world hates God.

A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film - YouTube
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So, we have suffered much. It is worth it, though.

Frijoles wrote:

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Do you want to be included in the atheist camp today, or the lunatic camp today? I give you free choice for a change.

rabbee: but all atheists are, not here in TheTorah lunatics too.

i tell you what, i'll take all the lunatics who say they are actually here in TheTorah.

and you, hasatan, baal hamolech, and halooseefer, can keep every thing not here in TheTorah you can kill.

hillbillyboy wrote:

If todays Messianic Jews are persecuted, then it is not the first time believers have suffered for The Lords sake. Christians have always been hated by the world, as the world hates God.
A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film - YouTube
&#9658; 178:25&#9658; 178:25
www.youtube.com/watch...
So, we have suffered much. It is worth it, though.

rabbee: believers??? are you sure they are being persecuted, because they are believers in TheG-D of TheTorah here in IT? are you shure they are not also being, persecuted for being at war against G-D here and now in TheTorah? is the poor old pharoah, the heeteetes, sodam and gomorrah, the multitudes, and yereecho also being persecuted again for disbelief of G-D in TheTorah?

hillbillyboy wrote:

If todays Messianic Jews are persecuted, then it is not the first time believers have suffered for The Lords sake. Christians have always been hated by the world, as the world hates God.
A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film - YouTube
&#9658; 178:25&#9658; 178:25
www.youtube.com/watch...
So, we have suffered much. It is worth it, though.

The Messies are not specifically persecuted in Israel. There is a blanket law against nonJewish missionary activities - regardless of whether you are Messie or mainstream Christian or whatever - which by ALL accounts is rarely enforced.

This thread was the result of a deplorable incident from a mentally deranged American who emigrated to Israel after fleeing a similar hostile lifestyle in Florida. I would not call it organized persecution by any means.(He was judged mentally ill and it was the action of an individual) It was a hate crime - no question about that.

I dont think any hate crime, or even an organized persecution, is worth playing the victim role for. So I dont think it is worth it "to suffer". Victimization never leads to anywhere good.

rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:

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rabbee: but all atheists are, not here in TheTorah lunatics too.
i tell you what, i'll take all the lunatics who say they are actually here in TheTorah.
and you, hasatan, baal hamolech, and halooseefer, can keep every thing not here in TheTorah you can kill.

Which category do you prefer to include yourself in today - atheist, Jew, lunatic, otherwise misfit, or fundamentalist Muslim in training?

Frijoles wrote:

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The Messies are not specifically persecuted in Israel. There is a blanket law against nonJewish missionary activities - regardless of whether you are Messie or mainstream Christian or whatever - which by ALL accounts is rarely enforced.
This thread was the result of a deplorable incident from a mentally deranged American who emigrated to Israel after fleeing a similar hostile lifestyle in Florida. I would not call it organized persecution by any means.(He was judged mentally ill and it was the action of an individual) It was a hate crime - no question about that.
I dont think any hate crime, or even an organized persecution, is worth playing the victim role for. So I dont think it is worth it "to suffer". Victimization never leads to anywhere good.

I didnt know about the blanket law prohibiting Christian missionaries.