Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Abolish the fed wrote:

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You did not produce testimony dont fox the facts.

I provided a link to the Washington Post article which quoted, on the record, with names and titles, Ron Paul's coworkers. If this was court, this would be accepted as admissable and then considered credible until challenged.

I have bickered back and forth with you over the last two years and I hardly recollect EVER an exchange where you bothered to back up any assertion of yours using credible testimony.(Links to conspiracy websites are not considered credible.)

Either put up or slink away.

Abolish the fed wrote:

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I like how you use the term surgical procedure.
Could someone come over your house and bash your brains in and call it a surgical procedure?
Do you know the roots of planned parenthood?

I worry not about the roots of the organization [yes i do know it]. I only care about the current organization that is reducing abortions through education and low/no cost contraception.

Do you know of any organization that matches planned parenthood's devotion to education and lowering the number of unplanned pregnancies, thus lowering the number of abortions? If you can show me an organization that does this important work, I will gladly change my support to them. I have looked and have found none.

messianic114 wrote:

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This doesn't seem much of a prophecy to me. Firstly it doesn't really detail the fighting. For instance two Muslims could have fought each other over something (this happens all the time).
Secondly a caliph could have decided to fulfill the prophecy himself. Lastly India as a whole has never been under Muslim domination.
Can you show one biblical prophecy where you have evidence that it was inserted after the fact?

If this does not seem like a prophesey to you, just look at those thousands of Biblical prophosies, how clear and straightforward they are and how people twist and turn to make them true.

Compared to that Prophesies from our prophet are more clear and more straightforward.... and no prophesey is exactly very clear, it only provides some hint of the future event, a sort of hazy picture..

MUQ wrote:

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If this does not seem like a prophesey to you, just look at those thousands of Biblical prophosies, how clear and straightforward they are and how people twist and turn to make them true.
Compared to that Prophesies from our prophet are more clear and more straightforward.... and no prophesey is exactly very clear, it only provides some hint of the future event, a sort of hazy picture..

TO ALL RATIONAL MINDS: This is the typical Muslim mentality. It's primary goal is to deceive, lie, cheat, and steal away the minds of the uneducated!! That's what the Quran teaches the clowns to do!! If you are going to follow the Quran, you better be prepared to do a lot of lying and conniving!! Of course whoever wrote the Quran for Mohammad would say that. Funny how the Quran was written 790 years AFTER Christ appeared on this earth. How the hell does a writer for Mohammad (who happened to be illiterate) come up with this hogwash 1200 years later?? The bottom line is that no one knows for sure who wrote the Quran. It could have been Joe Blow down the street for all we know. When we consider the New Testament of the Holy Bible, we have today in our possession 5,300 known Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, another 10,000 Latin Vulgates, and 9,300 other early versions, giving us more than 24,000 manuscripts of the New Testament in existence today! Furthermore, a substantial number were written well before the compilation of the Quran. In fact, a total of 230 manuscript portions are currently in existence which pre-date 600 AD or 1200 years before the Quran was written! These can be broken down into 192 New Testament manuscripts, 5 lectionaries containing scripture, and 33 translations of the Greek New Testament. So what comparisons are there between the manuscript evidence for the Quran and the Bible? We know from the historical record that by the end of the seventh century the Arabs had expanded right across North Africa and up into Spain, and east as far as India. The Quran was the centerpiece of their faith and practice at that time. Certainly within that enormous sphere of influence there should therefore be some Quran manuscripts which still exist till this day. Yet, there is nothing from that period at all. The only manuscripts which Islam provides turn out to have been compiled in the ninth century, while the earliest corroborated manuscript is dated 790 A.D. or over 1200 years after New Testament manuscripts. Islam cannot provide a single manuscript until well into the eighth century. If the Christians could retain so many thousands of ancient manuscripts, all of which were written long before the Quran, at a time when paper had not yet been introduced, forcing the dependency on papyrus which disintegrated with age, then one wonders why the Muslims are not able to forward a single manuscript from this much later period, during which the Quran was supposedly revealed? This indeed gives the Bible a much stronger claim for reliability than the Quran.

Frijoles wrote:

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I provided a link to the Washington Post article which quoted, on the record, with names and titles, Ron Paul's coworkers. If this was court, this would be accepted as admissable and then considered credible until challenged.
I have bickered back and forth with you over the last two years and I hardly recollect EVER an exchange where you bothered to back up any assertion of yours using credible testimony.(Links to conspiracy websites are not considered credible.)
Either put up or slink away.

You said that you provided testimony, that was not testimony

Eric wrote:

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I worry not about the roots of the organization [yes i do know it]. I only care about the current organization that is reducing abortions through education and low/no cost contraception.
Do you know of any organization that matches planned parenthood's devotion to education and lowering the number of unplanned pregnancies, thus lowering the number of abortions? If you can show me an organization that does this important work, I will gladly change my support to them. I have looked and have found none.

I guess you are happy with the reduction of those black weeds?

Abolish the fed wrote:

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You said that you provided testimony, that was not testimony

Weak. I was speaking in the third person. Doesnt change the fact that I cited testimony.

If you have a problem with the testimony I cited, challenge it and discuss the issue like those might who are no longer in diapers.

Or slink away.

Abolish the fed wrote:

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I guess you are happy with the reduction of those black weeds?

See, I told you that you couldn't name an organization that reduces abortion and unplanned pregnancies through education and low/no cost contraception. You can try to skirt the question all you want, but the facts are still the facts.

Abolish the fed wrote:

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You said that you provided testimony, that was not testimony

Testimony
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=11&gs...

tes·ti·mo·ny/&#712;test &#601;&#716;m&#333 ;n&#275;/Noun: 1.A formal written or spoken statement, esp. one given in a court of law.
2.Evidence or proof provided by the existence or appearance of something: "his black eye was testimony to the fact that he'd been fighting".

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Was so!

Do you have anything that challenges the credibility?

Eric wrote:

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See, I told you that you couldn't name an organization that reduces abortion and unplanned pregnancies through education and low/no cost contraception. You can try to skirt the question all you want, but the facts are still the facts.

For 2 plus years I have bickered with this nonrational individual and he ALMOST NEVER responds directly back. Its all about the meta-meta-meta-assumptions, the hearsay, and the deflection.

Frijoles wrote:

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Weak. I was speaking in the third person. Doesnt change the fact that I cited testimony.
If you have a problem with the testimony I cited, challenge it and discuss the issue like those might who are no longer in diapers.
Or slink away.

Testimony is useless unless it us sworn.

Atheism Billboard Planned For Dallas Sparks Controversy (VIDEO)

Members of the Dallas religious community are speaking up about a national organization's controversial plans to display an Atheist message on a prominent billboard, the Christian Chronicle reports.

The billboard was proposed by the national organization African Americans for Humanism as part of their country-wide Black History Month campaign aimed at encouraging African Americans to look critically at their faith, according to KDAF TV....

......But other members of the religious community have not been so welcoming. After a similar billboard was put up in Chicago, a representative at African American for Humanism's headquarters there received a series of angry letters and e-mails, according to the Dallas Observer.

One such e-mail read:

.WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU.I have looked at your web cite [sic] and your billboards in Dallas. Your black Athiest Organizations make me sick. There is nothing worse than a bunch of blacks supporting Gays and Lesbians.. You are infesting are [sic] cities with your foolish beliefs! What is your reasoning behind your Athiest [sic] beliefs? It is groups like yours that are screwing up lives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/athe...

Frijoles wrote:

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Thats the least of the problems.
Just think about what the implications are for global caprine self-esteem.

True.

The psychological trauma would last long after any infection has cleared.

A lifetime of horrific memories for a moment of Huggybear pleasure. Hardly seems fair or just.

I can't imagine his god would approve.

Frijoles wrote:

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Testimony
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=11&gs...
tes·ti·mo·ny/&#712;test &#601;&#716;m&#333 ;n&#275;/Noun: 1.A formal written or spoken statement, esp. one given in a court of law.
2.Evidence or proof provided by the existence or appearance of something: "his black eye was testimony to the fact that he'd been fighting".
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Was so!
Do you have anything that challenges the credibility?

We have ron pauls word, neither words were testimony.
If it was a sworn statement I would think otherwise.

Frijoles wrote:

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Testimony
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=11&gs...
tes·ti·mo·ny/&#712;test &#601;&#716;m&#333 ;n&#275;/Noun: 1.A formal written or spoken statement, esp. one given in a court of law.
2.Evidence or proof provided by the existence or appearance of something: "his black eye was testimony to the fact that he'd been fighting".
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Was so!
Do you have anything that challenges the credibility?

The correct wording is that you have a statement a reporter doesnt walk up to someone and say, can I have your testimony?

Eric wrote:

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See, I told you that you couldn't name an organization that reduces abortion and unplanned pregnancies through education and low/no cost contraception. You can try to skirt the question all you want, but the facts are still the facts.

There is no evidence that it reduces abortions.

A) planned parenthood is a racist eugenics operation.
B) the government (under obama) is funding a racist eugenics operation.
C) read the words of obamas "science csar"

Abolish the fed wrote:

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There is no evidence that it reduces abortions.
A) planned parenthood is a racist eugenics operation.
B) the government (under obama) is funding a racist eugenics operation.
C) read the words of obamas "science csar"

It's happening in IL. Abortions are down. Use of the family planning clinic at planned parenthood is up.

Do you have an alternate low/no cost family planning clinic that you can send lower and middle class people to? If so, give us a name and address so that we can direct people there. The only alternative services here are for pregnant ladies, and then it's too late to supply alternate low/no cost family planning services.

Abolish the fed wrote:

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There is no evidence that it reduces abortions.

Why would you doubt that reducing unwanted, unplanned pregnancies would also reduce the number of abortions?

former res wrote:

Atheism Billboard Planned For Dallas Sparks Controversy (VIDEO)
Members of the Dallas religious community are speaking up about a national organization's controversial plans to display an Atheist message on a prominent billboard, the Christian Chronicle reports.
The billboard was proposed by the national organization African Americans for Humanism as part of their country-wide Black History Month campaign aimed at encouraging African Americans to look critically at their faith, according to KDAF TV....
......But other members of the religious community have not been so welcoming. After a similar billboard was put up in Chicago, a representative at African American for Humanism's headquarters there received a series of angry letters and e-mails, according to the Dallas Observer.
One such e-mail read:
.WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU.I have looked at your web cite [sic] and your billboards in Dallas. Your black Athiest Organizations make me sick. There is nothing worse than a bunch of blacks supporting Gays and Lesbians.. You are infesting are [sic] cities with your foolish beliefs! What is your reasoning behind your Athiest [sic] beliefs? It is groups like yours that are screwing up lives.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/13/athe...

Ignorance is bliss ;-)

Abolish the fed wrote:

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We have ron pauls word, neither words were testimony.
If it was a sworn statement I would think otherwise.

Why? People don't lie in sworn statements?