Chicago, city of broad strictures

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Chicago's grit is the stuff of legend. The city's hard-scrabble history conjures images of wind-beaten dock hands; rugged immigrants working punishing factory jobs; and 500 acres of slaughterhouses and their ...

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Jason

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#187
Jun 28, 2008
 
Allie wrote:
Or how about Russia, where they'll still pull you out of your house in the middle of the night to be tortured if you go too far against the government?
Believe me, they tried and they are probably re-grouping.

The Chicago Police "drug units" or whatever that renegade band of cops were who busted into some Mexican's house, terrorized them, took all their money, arrested them, etc. The police dept. reluctantly had to put a stop to it because the Mexican family opened their big mouths and complained.
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#188
Jun 28, 2008
 
Robert Salm wrote:
WHAT is the point of this article? Slow news day--let's invent a story and complain about Chicago not being viewed as a wild West saloon town full of vice?
Don't forget anti police also!
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#189
Jun 28, 2008
 
Never disclose any information to the city and avoid all permits and license fees.
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#190
Jun 28, 2008
 
Long-time Trib Reader wrote:
The corrupt political machine continues to slowly and incrementally roll forward:
- taking our parks and giving them to a select few despite majority outcry
- stealing the character of our neighborhoods through a corrupt permit system and aldermanic prerogative in bed with developers
- wasting our hard earned money through over taxation to make up for fraud, ghost payrollers, and sweet-heart deals with business run by friends and family of the machine
The only thing the corrupt political machine can do is pontificate over the absurd ‚Äď to ban or not ban goose liver pate.
Meanwhile it seems like every other day some child is shot in violence.
We really need to ban together and kick the bums out of office.
I couldn't have Said this better myself. Our nanny laws have everything to do with fees and fines and nothing to do with actual public safety issues. VOTE DALEY OUT! VOTE TODD OUT! WE NEED A CHANGE!
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#191
Jun 28, 2008
 
The R wrote:
To Lori Drake:
It does seem that Chicago's character is slowly going down the drain, and is becoming another bland, faceless city. Many of our landmarks are torn down, to make way for yet another condo project. So many transplants are here now, who claim to be "Chicagoans", yet, they put ketchup on a hot dog, for crying out loud! There is a degree of sterility about the place, nowadays. Perhaps it's Daley's plan of making the city more "international", in the hopes of landing the 2016 Olympics--something I'm not in favor of, by the way.
Still, Chicago was pretty messed up, during the 80s. State Street (and much of downtown) was dead, there was Council Wars, the city was much more segregated, and Chicago still had a greatly-deserved rep as gangsterland. I doubt anyone wants all that to be resurrected.
I have to disagree about the city being more segregated then - I think it's still about the same, if not perhaps even more split.

For example, remember Wicker Park and Logan Square, say around '85? Sure, you had 15-20 gangs fighting over the same patches of grass, but you also had a real mix of people. By mix, I don't mean what we have now: hipsters, yuppies and old folks who stuck to their guns. I mean Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Blacks, blue collar whites, along with the old Polish and Ukranian families. There were lots of languages, dialects and accents abuzz in the neighborhoods. You don't see that now :(

I remember a few summers back, I was at one of those restaurants along the boulevard in Logan Square. I saw the kids were in their cars cruising down the street, waving their flags, beeping their horns and just being proud of their Puerto Rican heritage. To me, that was just part of that weekend, and I always thought it was kind of neat. It was also the reason I picked that restaurant, because I got a front row view!:) The other diners around my husband and I were so disgusted by all the noise and banter that they demanded to be sat inside so as not to ruin their overpriced lunches. The nerve of some people! Ugh!

Like I said, sure things are nicer now, but y'know, I really have to think that what we had was a real gem, even with all the dirt and grit. And, at least working class people, of all shapes, sizes and colors, could still afford to live here.

And you're right about the ketchup thing, too. For shame! ;)
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#192
Jun 28, 2008
 
done with this wrote:
I am not sure of this articles intent. chicago has never looked more beautiful. It is very clean with amazing architecture with a an ever improving economy. Daley is not perfect but he is doing alot to improve the city. He is very progressive. change always is hard.
Yeah its beautiful if you have millions of dollars and can afford to live in the Loop or are a tourist and only consider the skyline as Chicago. The middle class is becoming extict. Chicago is turning into a city for the extremely rich or the extremely poor.
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#193
Jun 28, 2008
 
Sorry, Bryan, but some guy boning another guy doesn't interfere with MY health or MY safety, a la smoking or guns. When it affects other people, hell yes it is a public concern. If you're that concerned about owning a gun or smoking, move to the suburbs! Hating on people because of biology or sexuality is an entirely different thing. You cannot change it.

And, seriously, if you're that concerned about the two cents, you probably should be hording as much money as you possibly can. No one is helping me afford my lifestyle. I pay for it. I afford it. If you don't like the taxes, again, MOVE!

These are the rules. If you don't like them, don't play the game. Now go have your Pampers changed. Wahh!
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#194
Jun 28, 2008
 
chico wrote:
As soon as Canada adopts american style drug prohibition tactics and ways of thinking that go with them
SPEAKING OF RESTRICTIVE! Canada has banned vitamins and natural herbs. Long live Big Pharma! American Big Pharma wants to shut off the vitamins/herbs, too, in the hopes that Americans will get sick and be forced to rely on Big Pharma drug companies.

Here's the story. WE'RE NEXT, AMERICA:

"....Voice outrage at Bill C-51

A new law being pushed in Canada by pharmaceutical companies seeks to outlaw more than 70 per cent of natural health products currently sold in Canada, even while criminalizing parents who give herbs or supplements to their children.

The law, known as C-51, was introduced by the Canadian Minister of Health on Apr. 8, 2008, and it proposes sweeping changes to Canada's Food and Drugs Act that could have devastating effects on the natural health products industry.

Why have we not heard of this bill before now, since it has direct effect on our right to be protected and our right to choose?

The bill has passed second reading.

Here is an example of the law we will adhere to if passed (according to sources on the Internet.)

* More than 70 per cent of natural health products will be considered illegal and taken off the market. That means 70 per cent of the natural health care products we use to try to prevent illness, such as supplements, green drinks, vitamins, minerals, protein powders, will no longer be available. What is left will have such low ingredient value it will render the product ineffective.

* Our elected officials will no longer have the ability to vote out laws that are not the will of, nor in the interest of, the Canadian people.(sec. 30(&7))

* It will allow government agents, not elected officials, to create binding laws behind closed doors, with the help of foreign government, trade and industrial organizations.

* New powers will allow enforcement of these laws by the search and seizure of private property and bank accounts without warrants.

Proponents of this bill are claiming they are trying to protect us. From what?

No one has died in Canada because of a natural health product. This is being done in the name of Canadian safety?

You can bet this has less to do with safety and everything to do with pharmaceutical companies getting back more of the market.

And Health Minister Tony Clement is going to legislate that for them, unless we take a stand and voice our outrage at the bill.

Once this becomes law, we will have no voice and no choice. "

http://www.saultstar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx...
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#195
Jun 28, 2008
 
So... Radley Balko (author of this article) is not a Tribune journalist, and doesn't even live in Chicago! He writes for Reason Magazine--the libertarian magazine that conducted the "study" discussed in the article. Perhaps Chi-town ain't what it used to be, but I (for one) don't need some outsider politico with an agenda telling me that the city I love has turned soft.

The world is changing, and Chicago with it. Perhaps the libertarians are onto something, but I certainly don't think that strict gun laws in a city that is still hard and gritty in many respects takes the "fun" out of Chicago.
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#196
Jun 28, 2008
 
This article provides more proof, as if any were needed, that leftist Democrats ( also known as "progressives") represent the greatest threat to freedom on the planet. Their creeping nanny statism is like a cancer that you diagnose to late and always proves fatal.

It is time for the great, evil right wing conspiracy (that's everyone who doesn't buy tired leftist ideology and theology) to rise up and start rounding up the leftist loons and criminals. A little vigilante justice is long over due. The founders started a war over a penny tax. Are we lesser people?
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#197
Jun 28, 2008
 
Angela wrote:
Funny but when you say "restrictive" regarding smoking, foie gras and hand gun bans, I see "progressive". I applaud all of these bans (and bemoan the flip-flop on the foie gras ban) because they protect the rights of the majority of the people (and geese!) living in the city from the harm that the minority would inflict. It's now possible for the non-smoking majority to go out to a bar/concert/club and actually BREATHE while there without gunking up your lungs with carcinogenic tar that the selfish minority blows your way, and come home and not have to immediately toss your jacket into the washing machine because it smells like you just got finished fighting a fire. This is called PROGRESS, people! Not shoving tubes down a feeling being's throat and subjecting it to horrible force-feeding torture is called having a HEART. Banning handguns in a city filled with gang activity is called SMART.
Now, why don't we talk about the things that are happening in this city that are TRULY awful: like the destruction of landmark buildings. Seems that the city needs to get a bit MORE restrictive when it comes to preserving its treasures.
I disagree with you, regarding the foie gras and handgun bans. Really, what does banning fatty duck liver do, for the people of Chicago? Ninety-nine percent of them have never have foie gras, and most of that percentage either cannot afford to eat it, or would not, if they could. If some rich gourmet wants to clog their ateries with the stuff, why not? What does geese getting stuffed (like any other livestock animal) have to do with the average Chicagoan?

As for the handgun ban, yeah, it works really well. Read tomorrow's edition, and all the stories about this person and that person getting shot. The police cannot be everywhere, to prevent crime. At the least, people reserve the right to keep firearms within their homes, for self-defense. This should be regulated, though, given the population density.

I am in agreement, that the city really does a crappy job of preserving its landmarks. Given the present rate, Chicago would soon lose its character and soul, and become a faceless, plastic city, which would be a shame. Much of Chicago architecture is found no place else on the planet.
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#198
Jun 28, 2008
 
I am shocked that this made ChicagoTribune's website front page headline. They LOVE this socialist stuff - they ARE socialists every last one of them. I am suprised that they'd shine a light so boldly on their own anti-freedom views. But we're so tolerant so I guess that makes up for everything.

Well, Chicagoans - you get what you vote for. You vote democrat (there is nothing demorcratic about democrats) and you get a nanny state.

Germany once voted themselves into one of the most brutal dictatorial regimes in modern times - and the first thing they banned - were the right to keep and bear arms.

Enjoy - Chicago!!
Chi Town

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#199
Jun 28, 2008
 
No banning guns for law abiding citizens leaves them defenseless even in their homes because 99% of the shooting in Chicago do not come from law abiding citizens that have obtained their guns legally. Unless you donít eat or wear any kind of animal product spare us the lecture and even if you donít I really could care less and last but not least if you donít like smoke you should go to a bar with other uptight butt wipes that feel the same but I guess those bars just arenít as fun as the ones where people enjoy life, where people are able to make their own decisions without fear of fines and or prosecution.
Angela wrote:
Funny but when you say "restrictive" regarding smoking, foie gras and hand gun bans, I see "progressive". I applaud all of these bans (and bemoan the flip-flop on the foie gras ban) because they protect the rights of the majority of the people (and geese!) living in the city from the harm that the minority would inflict. It's now possible for the non-smoking majority to go out to a bar/concert/club and actually BREATHE while there without gunking up your lungs with carcinogenic tar that the selfish minority blows your way, and come home and not have to immediately toss your jacket into the washing machine because it smells like you just got finished fighting a fire. This is called PROGRESS, people! Not shoving tubes down a feeling being's throat and subjecting it to horrible force-feeding torture is called having a HEART. Banning handguns in a city filled with gang activity is called SMART.
Now, why don't we talk about the things that are happening in this city that are TRULY awful: like the destruction of landmark buildings. Seems that the city needs to get a bit MORE restrictive when it comes to preserving its treasures.
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Jun 28, 2008
 
Christine wrote:
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VOTE DALEY OUT! VOTE TODD OUT! WE NEED A CHANGE!
you are so silly....daley runs unopposed.
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Jun 28, 2008
 
Oh and one more thing I really miss - where have all the ice cream trucks gone? Are they starting to get phased out as well? I've been living in this particular apartment for the last three years, and not once have I seen or heard an ice cream truck drive by! Why?:( I also don't hear as many church bells as I used to. Is it due to overtaxing the vendors? A noise ordinance? Just not enough kids outside playing? What happened to that?
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The R wrote:
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what does banning fatty duck liver do, for the people of Chicago?
She's obviously an animal lover and the torture an animal goes through to be served on a plate is revolting to her. I think that was her main point.
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#203
Jun 28, 2008
 
You want to see a city of choices?

I'm canceling my subscription right now. This paper is going downhill. What the hell is Reason Magazine. The Nanny State? This article is garbage.
The R

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#204
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Lori Dake wrote:
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I have to disagree about the city being more segregated then - I think it's still about the same, if not perhaps even more split.
For example, remember Wicker Park and Logan Square, say around '85? Sure, you had 15-20 gangs fighting over the same patches of grass, but you also had a real mix of people. By mix, I don't mean what we have now: hipsters, yuppies and old folks who stuck to their guns. I mean Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Blacks, blue collar whites, along with the old Polish and Ukranian families. There were lots of languages, dialects and accents abuzz in the neighborhoods. You don't see that now :(
I remember a few summers back, I was at one of those restaurants along the boulevard in Logan Square. I saw the kids were in their cars cruising down the street, waving their flags, beeping their horns and just being proud of their Puerto Rican heritage. To me, that was just part of that weekend, and I always thought it was kind of neat. It was also the reason I picked that restaurant, because I got a front row view!:) The other diners around my husband and I were so disgusted by all the noise and banter that they demanded to be sat inside so as not to ruin their overpriced lunches. The nerve of some people! Ugh!
Like I said, sure things are nicer now, but y'know, I really have to think that what we had was a real gem, even with all the dirt and grit. And, at least working class people, of all shapes, sizes and colors, could still afford to live here.
And you're right about the ketchup thing, too. For shame! ;)
Ha!

An old girlfriend of mine, who was from DC, once went with me to Jim's, over on Maxwell st (before it got gussified), and ordered a Polish. With ketchup. The look on the cashier's face was PRICELESS. I just walked away.

My uncle lived in Wicker Park, and, back then, it wasn't the yuppie haven it is now. There was a serious gang problem (Latin Kings, amongst others), but the Polish neighborhood was still there. Also, I remember shopping with my parents, on Milwaukee Avenue. It was an influx of various folks. Yet, the neighborhood was full of grafitti. That's all gone, now, replaced by--guess what--overpriced condos. Plus, it's safer to walk, now. But I get your point about the place losing some of its character. Once, it was a neighborhood. Now, it's an enclave of "hip" bars for young transplants to get wasted.
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DINNER IS SERVED wrote:
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She's obviously an animal lover and the torture an animal goes through to be served on a plate is revolting to her. I think that was her main point.
Uh, way ahead of you. It was a rhetorical question.
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Jun 28, 2008
 
indict daley now wrote:
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how remarkably often the City Council Committees take action/votes without a quorum in attendance.
Absolutely right. That's called "business as usual". How many times have we seen news highlights from a City Council meeting where the Mayor orders aldermen to shut up and sit down? And they put up with it--they're scaredy cats, they'll lose perks for their wards, money will fly out of their pockets instead of into their pockets.

The Mayor has proven that he doesn't need a bulldozer to bulldoze everybody out of his way and get what he wants and too bad for you.

Enjoy that Children's Museum!!!

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