Baha'i rift: Baha'is upset with Orthodox Baha'i Faith

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KPS59 wrote:

Got anything to say about the actual topic of this forum?
Go ahead and share anything you like with anyone you choose.
Just try really hard to keep your comments here about the topic.
Otherwise go find some other discussion to horn in on with idiotic and unrelated comments.
Cheerio! Matey.

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Veteran non-American wrote:

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How about you and me have a beer.
Matey.

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KPS59 wrote:

...2. The descendant of King David must be the President-Executive Branch-of Baha'u'llah's Universal House of Justice so we can recognize the true UHJ from fakes, frauds and imitations.
(Will and Testament of Abdu'l-Baha, page 15)

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Veteran non-American wrote:

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Nowhere on page 15 of the Will and Testament is this paragraph to be found.
Nowhere in the entire Will and Testament are the words "descendant of King David" to be found.
Nowhere in the entire Will and Testament is the phrase "President-Executive " to be found.
This is not a quote from Abdu'l Baha at all. It is a bupc perversity.
Readers are invited to read the Will and Testament freely for themselves at http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/WT/
Wherein they will find no such quote or phrases falsely attributed by the bupc to page 15, or any other page.

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Larry Rowe wrote:

Howdy Wahid,

Of course cultists have no problem making such nonsense fit their convoluted system of belief. Just as the so called Baha'i covenant has been warped and twisted to fit whatever set of circumstances Baha'is found themselves in. How convenient. Of course the truth is that any supposed Baha'i covenant was null and void from the beginning because it was Husayn Ali's brother Azal who was the actual inheritor of the Bab's covenant and Husayn Ali's 19 year ploy was just so much smoke and mirrors to trick Babis into bending the knee to him as a golden calf incarnation of god.
Cheers
Larry Rowe

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Larry Rowe wrote:

Limbs of Mankind Quake, 9-11-01
Only a little over 3000 people died on 9-11.

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Veteran non-American wrote:

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b)the monumentally arrogant belief that biblical prophecy is always about America.

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KPS59 wrote:

And of course that Covenant of which I speak, is God's promise to establish His Kingdom on earth as it is in heaven and provide the throne of King David as it's Head, President, Executive for all time with an unending line of father to son heirs to be the ensigns of His Cause.
This is fulfilled in Baha'u'llah and His great, great grandson, Mr. Neal Chase ben Joseph Aghsan who currently and for life holds the position of Head, Executive, President of the Universal House of Justice.
The Divine Covenant Fulfilled.

Larry Rowe wrote:

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Has it never dawned on you KP that if there truly is such a thing as a Kingdom/Queendon of God/Goddess human beings have little or nothing whatsoever to do with it's 'establishment'? Since such a Kingdom/Queendom by definition transcends time, is eternal; and that in reality it is a matter of humanity recognizing what is and has always been. Christ often referred to this as a mystery of the Kingdom:
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
(King James Bible, Luke)
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
(King James Bible, Mark)
And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
(King James Bible, Mark)
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(King James Bible, John)
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
(King James Bible, Luke)
Until you come to the true, inner and gnostic, understanding of what is signified by the: "Kingdom of God" that is referred to by Christ you will continue to see this Kingdom as something outside of yourself that somehow needs to be established. Knowers have come to see the Kingdom within themselves and understand that it is pure vanity for any human being or group of human beings to believe that they are establishers of God's Kingdom.
Cheers
Larry Rowe